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RE: Cincinnati is the latest school to move to Under Armour
Knightime, you have to understand that it kinda fits the culture of Tampa bay. Were different then UCF. You guys are so typical Orlando its crazy. You look like orlando. You have that very modern, shopping center feel...which your school likes. Its fine.
Our university has a bit more authentic tradition to who we are. I don't mean that as an insult but UCF has had to manufacture alot of their history because the mission of your school was so dramatically different then ours for a long period. Orlando doesnt have as much of a history and was put on the map by Disney, so Orlando in general has a much more manufactured corporate feel to it. Ive lived in both cities. Dont get me wrong, I like orlando just fine but theres a huge historical difference. Hell, my favorite bar in the world is still Caseys. Ive had enough "leg splitters" to kill a man and who doesnt love free popcorn.
Its like our names... youre the Knights. Was Golden Knights. It has nothing to do with your area, who you were as a University and was just chosen because yall liked it. Thats fine and I dont really have a big issue with it. USF on the other hand chose our name because of the deep history of the Tampa bay area being a cattle/ ranching community for most of its early history.
Even more so, people make fun that were called South Florida. Again, that goes to our tradition. The state legislature in the 50s and 60s never intended to ever build anything further south. It was all swamp and the University of Miami was down there, so they figured we were as south as it was going to get. Its our history.

When I see our SoFlo design, I see the heavy influence of Caribbean and Cuban culture. Ybor City was a central and important part of our history. So yeah I can admit that its gaudy but theres an aspect of it that I like. It fits our history and is a tie back to where our University and community came from, so I like it.

Beyond that... Our basketball team loved it. They were pumped when it came out.
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(04-05-2015 10:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  You guys are so typical Orlando its crazy. You look like orlando. You have that very modern, shopping center feel... which your school likes. Its fine.

We're a school that was founded to support and staff NASA and the Space Coast. That is our tradition and lends to our "modern look" because, if I were to guess, space is always at the forefront of technology. Then again, we look modern because we've built new buildings everywhere on campus. Also, our original mascot was the citronaut (oranges, and astronauts). It was a ridiculous mascot, so we got with the time and nixxed it. We've been the vultures and the dragons at one point in time as well.

(04-05-2015 10:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Our university has a bit more authentic tradition to who we are. I don't mean that as an insult but UCF has had to manufacture alot of their history because the mission of your school was so dramatically different then ours for a long period.

We manufactured it exactly the same way you did. With time.

(04-05-2015 10:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Orlando doesnt have as much of a history and was put on the map by Disney, so Orlando in general has a much more manufactured corporate feel to it. Ive lived in both cities. Dont get me wrong, I like orlando just fine but theres a huge historical difference.

You do realize Orlando has existed long before Disney? And you also realize that UCF is marginally closer to Disney than USF? Disney has as much effect on the university as the Space Program, and DoD contractors in the area, and it is quite evident when you see who donates and advertises at the school

(04-05-2015 10:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  It has nothing to do with your area, who you were as a University and was just chosen because yall liked it. Thats fine and I dont really have a big issue with it. USF on the other hand chose our name because of the deep history of the Tampa bay area being a cattle/ ranching community for most of its early history.

You were the Golden Brahman, now you're the Bulls. One can see "history" and "tradition" in the generic name "Bulls" about as much as one would "The Knights". No average person will correlate Golden Brahman with Bulls, inasmuch as the average person would correlate "Citronauts" with "Knights"

(04-05-2015 10:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Even more so, people make fun that were called South Florida. Again, that goes to our tradition. The state legislature in the 50s and 60s never intended to ever build anything further south. It was all swamp and the University of Miami was down there, so they figured we were as south as it was going to get. Its our history.

Congratulations. You're still not in South Florida

(04-05-2015 10:03 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When I see our SoFlo design, I see the heavy influence of Caribbean and Cuban culture. Ybor City was a central and important part of our history. So yeah I can admit that its gaudy but theres an aspect of it that I like. It fits our history and is a tie back to where our University and community came from, so I like it.

Beyond that... Our basketball team loved it. They were pumped when it came out.

This part I can respect. Yes, it does remind me of a hispanic-ethnic, colorful smorgasbord of whatever you want to call it. Pretending like you knew UCF's university and history was unnecessary and came across as arrogant.
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Hey Kruciff, I couldnt care less what you think of my attitude or how I came off. I really don't. Not even a little. Ok

I do know your history and I am fully aware that you were a a feeder to the space industry. I know about your name change and all of that. I personally don't think UCF looks modern. I think you look like an oversized shopping mall. Yall like it. I dont. Everybody has different tastes.
Orlando was tiny and nothing before Disney. It had mainly military for a period of time and was rather sparse after the great depression. I mean its not like I was a certified teacher and taught Florida history...oh yeah, I was.

I say you manufactured your history because you chose to change everything to fit this new direction for your school. You chose a new name, a mascott that doesnt fit any aspect of your history or geography.... again, its not a knock, its just different than USF.

Yes we started out as the Golden Brahmans. Brahman was the type of cattle most raised in the Tampa bay area. So, I dont get your point. We actually tapped into our history and in time it evolved into just the Bulls. A bull being the dominant male of the Brahman. Not a tough leap from Brahman to Bull. I tend to think going from a freaky space thing to a chromed out medieval soldier is a pretty big stretch.
btw... nice originality. We were Golden Brahmans using gold as a main color and yall become the Golden Knights. We were South Florida and you change your name to Central Florida. Way to be original.

And nope were not in South Florida... did you have a point or was snarky your intent? See when I post I actually have a reason behind it. My entire thread was about USF being based on our history and thats why I put that in there. It shows a contrast between our two schools. Even though the state grew and other Universities were built we held onto our heritage...we didnt need to change our name to something totally different and unrelated.

lastly, Disney is about 55 miles from USF and roughly 30 from UCF. Count branch campuses and your even closer. That's not "Marginally" by any account. I even used the closest parts of Disney to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I do find it ironic though that as a mod you felt it necessary to call out my "arrogance" and yet your post was snarky and arrogant. Leadership by example is a fabulous quality.
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(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do know your history and I am fully aware that you were a a feeder to the space industry. I know about your name change and all of that. I personally don't think UCF looks modern. I think you look like an oversized shopping mall. Yall like it. I dont. Everybody has different tastes.

If it weren't for you calling us "modern" in the first place, I would have never used the term. You say we look modern in your previous post, then state that we don't in this one, so which is it?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Orlando was tiny and nothing before Disney. It had mainly military for a period of time and was rather sparse after the great depression.

You mean like the majority of Florida? Tampa was nothing but a military base before [arbitrarily picked time that has no relevance to either school]. Where was Miami before Fidel Castro?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I say you manufactured your history because you chose to change everything to fit this new direction for your school. You chose a new name, a mascott that doesnt fit any aspect of your history or geography.

Yes, we did, almost 50 years ago. What's your point? Where was USF 50 years ago?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Yes we started out as the Golden Brahmans. Brahman was the type of cattle most raised in the Tampa bay area. So, I dont get your point. We actually tapped into our history and in time it evolved into just the Bulls. A bull being the dominant male of the Brahman. Not a tough leap from Brahman to Bull. I tend to think going from a freaky space thing to a chromed out medieval soldier is a pretty big stretch.
btw... nice originality. We were Golden Brahmans using gold as a main color and yall become the Golden Knights. We were South Florida and you change your name to Central Florida. Way to be original.

I'm well aware of what a Brahman is, but only because i've lived in the Central Florida area my entire life. How many of the average college football fans know what a Brahman is, was my point. And if it's so important to your "tradition and history" why did you change it, even more recently than UCF's change to the knights? And please, don't talk to me about originality. I can name a half dozen programs right now with a bovine mascot.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  And nope were not in South Florida... did you have a point or was snarky your intent? See when I post I actually have a reason behind it.

99% of the time, it's to bash and belittle UCF, and yet you seem so surprised when UCF fans take offense to you and your own snarky intent.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  My entire thread was about USF being based on our history and thats why I put that in there. It shows a contrast between our two schools.

Ok? And I acknowledged the adequate portion. Everything else was irrelevant and unnecessary. Thus, our conversation

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Even though the state grew and other Universities were built we held onto our heritage...we didnt need to change our name to something totally different and unrelated.

Does UCF need to have a child friendly mascot, picture book illustrated athletics program, and easy to read university name to maintain our purpose and heritage? That's a pretty terrible argument.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  lastly, Disney is about 55 miles from USF and roughly 30 from UCF. Count branch campuses and your even closer. That's not "Marginally" by any account. I even used the closest parts of Disney to give you the benefit of the doubt.

UCF is actually 38 miles through downtown Orlando, from Magic Kingdom, which is the closest park to you. Considering that the difference in distances, is roughly equivalent to the distance from your campus to your rented stadium... I don't really think it's that big of a difference.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do find it ironic though that as a mod you felt it necessary to call out my "arrogance" and yet your post was snarky and arrogant. Leadership by example is a fabulous quality.

I'm an avid sports fanatic just like you. I'm allowed to post as I want, so long as I don't break the rules, just as you. I simply enforce the rules when they are broken, which they haven't. Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I have to hang up my loyalties 24/7.

Also, a familiar argument, usually reserved for those who are on the losing side.
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Oh and for the record,

Buffalo Bulls
Chicago Bulls
Marshall Thundering Herd
Buffalo Bills
Colorado Buffaloes
Buffalo Sabres (Bison mascot)

Want me to keep going?
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(04-06-2015 01:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Oh and for the record,

Buffalo Bulls
Chicago Bulls
Marshall Thundering Herd
Buffalo Bills
Colorado Buffaloes
Buffalo Sabres (Bison mascot)

Want me to keep going?

Don't forget the Texas Longhorns as well as the NFL Texans. Both use the bull mascot/logo.
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I am not talking about college programs. UA is quietly killing Nike at the front end (High school players interest). Once they get to school it's forced on them. UA football stuff is catching the eye of the new generation.
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(04-06-2015 05:46 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(04-06-2015 01:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Oh and for the record,

Buffalo Bulls
Chicago Bulls
Marshall Thundering Herd
Buffalo Bills
Colorado Buffaloes
Buffalo Sabres (Bison mascot)

Want me to keep going?

Don't forget the Texas Longhorns as well as the NFL Texans. Both use the bull mascot/logo.

It's a good thing we're not including BULLdogs, cause then we'd never run out of mascots to name
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(04-06-2015 01:31 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do know your history and I am fully aware that you were a a feeder to the space industry. I know about your name change and all of that. I personally don't think UCF looks modern. I think you look like an oversized shopping mall. Yall like it. I dont. Everybody has different tastes.

If it weren't for you calling us "modern" in the first place, I would have never used the term. You say we look modern in your previous post, then state that we don't in this one, so which is it?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Orlando was tiny and nothing before Disney. It had mainly military for a period of time and was rather sparse after the great depression.

You mean like the majority of Florida? Tampa was nothing but a military base before [arbitrarily picked time that has no relevance to either school]. Where was Miami before Fidel Castro?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I say you manufactured your history because you chose to change everything to fit this new direction for your school. You chose a new name, a mascott that doesnt fit any aspect of your history or geography.

Yes, we did, almost 50 years ago. What's your point? Where was USF 50 years ago?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Yes we started out as the Golden Brahmans. Brahman was the type of cattle most raised in the Tampa bay area. So, I dont get your point. We actually tapped into our history and in time it evolved into just the Bulls. A bull being the dominant male of the Brahman. Not a tough leap from Brahman to Bull. I tend to think going from a freaky space thing to a chromed out medieval soldier is a pretty big stretch.
btw... nice originality. We were Golden Brahmans using gold as a main color and yall become the Golden Knights. We were South Florida and you change your name to Central Florida. Way to be original.

I'm well aware of what a Brahman is, but only because i've lived in the Central Florida area my entire life. How many of the average college football fans know what a Brahman is, was my point. And if it's so important to your "tradition and history" why did you change it, even more recently than UCF's change to the knights? And please, don't talk to me about originality. I can name a half dozen programs right now with a bovine mascot.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  And nope were not in South Florida... did you have a point or was snarky your intent? See when I post I actually have a reason behind it.

99% of the time, it's to bash and belittle UCF, and yet you seem so surprised when UCF fans take offense to you and your own snarky intent.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  My entire thread was about USF being based on our history and thats why I put that in there. It shows a contrast between our two schools.

Ok? And I acknowledged the adequate portion. Everything else was irrelevant and unnecessary. Thus, our conversation

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Even though the state grew and other Universities were built we held onto our heritage...we didnt need to change our name to something totally different and unrelated.

Does UCF need to have a child friendly mascot, picture book illustrated athletics program, and easy to read university name to maintain our purpose and heritage? That's a pretty terrible argument.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  lastly, Disney is about 55 miles from USF and roughly 30 from UCF. Count branch campuses and your even closer. That's not "Marginally" by any account. I even used the closest parts of Disney to give you the benefit of the doubt.

UCF is actually 38 miles through downtown Orlando, from Magic Kingdom, which is the closest park to you. Considering that the difference in distances, is roughly equivalent to the distance from your campus to your rented stadium... I don't really think it's that big of a difference.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do find it ironic though that as a mod you felt it necessary to call out my "arrogance" and yet your post was snarky and arrogant. Leadership by example is a fabulous quality.

I'm an avid sports fanatic just like you. I'm allowed to post as I want, so long as I don't break the rules, just as you. I simply enforce the rules when they are broken, which they haven't. Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I have to hang up my loyalties 24/7.

Also, a familiar argument, usually reserved for those who are on the losing side.

Wow, another response that in no way touches the argument. Ill see if I can make it more basic.

I say you manufactured your tradition because it in no way has anything to do with where the University was built or any of its history.
I dont belive USF did because our university IS built upon its history, the culture of the surrounding community and is therefore more authentically made. Does that make sense? It truly isnt a knock on UCF. Many Universities manufacture their traditions. The point was that the SoFlo uniform (which this whole debate is about) is an extension of USFs past dedication to being authentic to who and what the Tampa Bay community was and is. I think you take offense to me saying you manufactured it. I actually would have more respect for your university if you had just updated your original mascot. I personally would have been proud to be assiciated with the space program and it honestly had many cool directions that it could have been taken... hell, I wouldnt have changed the name either. University of Central Florida is very generic.... (and yes, i think USF is generic. If Univeristy of Tampa wasnt taken I would have loved that to be our name. At least both of us wouldnt be called a directional school)

I have no idea what your talking about when it comes to Ray Jay stadium... its less then 10 miles away and the Magic kingdom is closer to 60 miles away, so your intial post is still wrong.

I chose the time frame because you said "before Disney". So I went with the time frames before the mid 1950s when the announcement that it would be built. I didnt arbitrarily choose that time. I was going with the confines that you set. Tampa was actually a port city and larger ... and more important then Orlando at that time. Given, port cities usually are.

As far as originality, I dont deny that there are teams with Bulls or are related to the cattle industry. Difference is, we actually have a basis to have that name because of our history and culture...again, the whole basis of the argument, whereas I have no idea where a chromed out knight has anything to do with Orlando. Therefore supporting my argument that UCFs traditions are more contrived and USFs are more based on heritage. Again, neither is right or wrong. I think its kinda funny how this thread has gone because I really didnt mean any disparage by saying that. More so, I was simply trying to point out that the SoFlo uniforms are a part of our heritage and many people may not like them but I tend to hold things like that near and dear since it is who our community is from.

I just tend to think that UCF is more of a school that invents and contrives who they want to be and USF sticks to more of who our community and roots came from.

(and you cant deny that our name was USF for over 20 years and then yall chose the same format, then on top of that you took one of our base colors... We may be the bulls, who others have chosen but those teams arent 80 miles away)
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(04-06-2015 05:56 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-06-2015 01:31 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do know your history and I am fully aware that you were a a feeder to the space industry. I know about your name change and all of that. I personally don't think UCF looks modern. I think you look like an oversized shopping mall. Yall like it. I dont. Everybody has different tastes.

If it weren't for you calling us "modern" in the first place, I would have never used the term. You say we look modern in your previous post, then state that we don't in this one, so which is it?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Orlando was tiny and nothing before Disney. It had mainly military for a period of time and was rather sparse after the great depression.

You mean like the majority of Florida? Tampa was nothing but a military base before [arbitrarily picked time that has no relevance to either school]. Where was Miami before Fidel Castro?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I say you manufactured your history because you chose to change everything to fit this new direction for your school. You chose a new name, a mascott that doesnt fit any aspect of your history or geography.

Yes, we did, almost 50 years ago. What's your point? Where was USF 50 years ago?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Yes we started out as the Golden Brahmans. Brahman was the type of cattle most raised in the Tampa bay area. So, I dont get your point. We actually tapped into our history and in time it evolved into just the Bulls. A bull being the dominant male of the Brahman. Not a tough leap from Brahman to Bull. I tend to think going from a freaky space thing to a chromed out medieval soldier is a pretty big stretch.
btw... nice originality. We were Golden Brahmans using gold as a main color and yall become the Golden Knights. We were South Florida and you change your name to Central Florida. Way to be original.

I'm well aware of what a Brahman is, but only because i've lived in the Central Florida area my entire life. How many of the average college football fans know what a Brahman is, was my point. And if it's so important to your "tradition and history" why did you change it, even more recently than UCF's change to the knights? And please, don't talk to me about originality. I can name a half dozen programs right now with a bovine mascot.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  And nope were not in South Florida... did you have a point or was snarky your intent? See when I post I actually have a reason behind it.

99% of the time, it's to bash and belittle UCF, and yet you seem so surprised when UCF fans take offense to you and your own snarky intent.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  My entire thread was about USF being based on our history and thats why I put that in there. It shows a contrast between our two schools.

Ok? And I acknowledged the adequate portion. Everything else was irrelevant and unnecessary. Thus, our conversation

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Even though the state grew and other Universities were built we held onto our heritage...we didnt need to change our name to something totally different and unrelated.

Does UCF need to have a child friendly mascot, picture book illustrated athletics program, and easy to read university name to maintain our purpose and heritage? That's a pretty terrible argument.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  lastly, Disney is about 55 miles from USF and roughly 30 from UCF. Count branch campuses and your even closer. That's not "Marginally" by any account. I even used the closest parts of Disney to give you the benefit of the doubt.

UCF is actually 38 miles through downtown Orlando, from Magic Kingdom, which is the closest park to you. Considering that the difference in distances, is roughly equivalent to the distance from your campus to your rented stadium... I don't really think it's that big of a difference.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do find it ironic though that as a mod you felt it necessary to call out my "arrogance" and yet your post was snarky and arrogant. Leadership by example is a fabulous quality.

I'm an avid sports fanatic just like you. I'm allowed to post as I want, so long as I don't break the rules, just as you. I simply enforce the rules when they are broken, which they haven't. Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I have to hang up my loyalties 24/7.

Also, a familiar argument, usually reserved for those who are on the losing side.

Wow, another response that in no way touches the argument. Ill see if I can make it more basic.

I say you manufactured your tradition because it in no way has anything to do with where the University was built or any of its history.
I dont belive USF did because our university IS built upon its history, the culture of the surrounding community and is therefore more authentically made. Does that make sense? It truly isnt a knock on UCF. Many Universities manufacture their traditions. The point was that the SoFlo uniform (which this whole debate is about) is an extension of USFs past dedication to being authentic to who and what the Tampa Bay community was and is. I think you take offense to me saying you manufactured it. I actually would have more respect for your university if you had just updated your original mascot. I personally would have been proud to be assiciated with the space program and it honestly had many cool directions that it could have been taken... hell, I wouldnt have changed the name either. University of Central Florida is very generic.... (and yes, i think USF is generic. If Univeristy of Tampa wasnt taken I would have loved that to be our name. At least both of us wouldnt be called a directional school)

I have no idea what your talking about when it comes to Ray Jay stadium... its less then 10 miles away and the Magic kingdom is closer to 60 miles away, so your intial post is still wrong.

I chose the time frame because you said "before Disney". So I went with the time frames before the mid 1950s when the announcement that it would be built. I didnt arbitrarily choose that time. I was going with the confines that you set. Tampa was actually a port city and larger ... and more important then Orlando at that time. Given, port cities usually are.

As far as originality, I dont deny that there are teams with Bulls or are related to the cattle industry. Difference is, we actually have a basis to have that name because of our history and culture...again, the whole basis of the argument, whereas I have no idea where a chromed out knight has anything to do with Orlando. Therefore supporting my argument that UCFs traditions are more contrived and USFs are more based on heritage. Again, neither is right or wrong. I think its kinda funny how this thread has gone because I really didnt mean any disparage by saying that. More so, I was simply trying to point out that the SoFlo uniforms are a part of our heritage and many people may not like them but I tend to hold things like that near and dear since it is who our community is from.

I just tend to think that UCF is more of a school that invents and contrives who they want to be and USF sticks to more of who our community and roots came from.

(and you cant deny that our name was USF for over 20 years and then yall chose the same format, then on top of that you took one of our base colors... We may be the bulls, who others have chosen but those teams arent 80 miles away)

Wow you're in a whole other reality, like through the looking glass.

Anyhow, do you guys, UC, have any mock ups yet?
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Cincinnati is the latest school to move to Under Armour
(04-06-2015 05:56 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-06-2015 01:31 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do know your history and I am fully aware that you were a a feeder to the space industry. I know about your name change and all of that. I personally don't think UCF looks modern. I think you look like an oversized shopping mall. Yall like it. I dont. Everybody has different tastes.

If it weren't for you calling us "modern" in the first place, I would have never used the term. You say we look modern in your previous post, then state that we don't in this one, so which is it?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Orlando was tiny and nothing before Disney. It had mainly military for a period of time and was rather sparse after the great depression.

You mean like the majority of Florida? Tampa was nothing but a military base before [arbitrarily picked time that has no relevance to either school]. Where was Miami before Fidel Castro?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I say you manufactured your history because you chose to change everything to fit this new direction for your school. You chose a new name, a mascott that doesnt fit any aspect of your history or geography.

Yes, we did, almost 50 years ago. What's your point? Where was USF 50 years ago?

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Yes we started out as the Golden Brahmans. Brahman was the type of cattle most raised in the Tampa bay area. So, I dont get your point. We actually tapped into our history and in time it evolved into just the Bulls. A bull being the dominant male of the Brahman. Not a tough leap from Brahman to Bull. I tend to think going from a freaky space thing to a chromed out medieval soldier is a pretty big stretch.
btw... nice originality. We were Golden Brahmans using gold as a main color and yall become the Golden Knights. We were South Florida and you change your name to Central Florida. Way to be original.

I'm well aware of what a Brahman is, but only because i've lived in the Central Florida area my entire life. How many of the average college football fans know what a Brahman is, was my point. And if it's so important to your "tradition and history" why did you change it, even more recently than UCF's change to the knights? And please, don't talk to me about originality. I can name a half dozen programs right now with a bovine mascot.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  And nope were not in South Florida... did you have a point or was snarky your intent? See when I post I actually have a reason behind it.

99% of the time, it's to bash and belittle UCF, and yet you seem so surprised when UCF fans take offense to you and your own snarky intent.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  My entire thread was about USF being based on our history and thats why I put that in there. It shows a contrast between our two schools.

Ok? And I acknowledged the adequate portion. Everything else was irrelevant and unnecessary. Thus, our conversation

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Even though the state grew and other Universities were built we held onto our heritage...we didnt need to change our name to something totally different and unrelated.

Does UCF need to have a child friendly mascot, picture book illustrated athletics program, and easy to read university name to maintain our purpose and heritage? That's a pretty terrible argument.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  lastly, Disney is about 55 miles from USF and roughly 30 from UCF. Count branch campuses and your even closer. That's not "Marginally" by any account. I even used the closest parts of Disney to give you the benefit of the doubt.

UCF is actually 38 miles through downtown Orlando, from Magic Kingdom, which is the closest park to you. Considering that the difference in distances, is roughly equivalent to the distance from your campus to your rented stadium... I don't really think it's that big of a difference.

(04-06-2015 12:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I do find it ironic though that as a mod you felt it necessary to call out my "arrogance" and yet your post was snarky and arrogant. Leadership by example is a fabulous quality.

I'm an avid sports fanatic just like you. I'm allowed to post as I want, so long as I don't break the rules, just as you. I simply enforce the rules when they are broken, which they haven't. Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I have to hang up my loyalties 24/7.

Also, a familiar argument, usually reserved for those who are on the losing side.

Wow, another response that in no way touches the argument. Ill see if I can make it more basic.

I say you manufactured your tradition because it in no way has anything to do with where the University was built or any of its history.
I dont belive USF did because our university IS built upon its history, the culture of the surrounding community and is therefore more authentically made. Does that make sense? It truly isnt a knock on UCF. Many Universities manufacture their traditions. The point was that the SoFlo uniform (which this whole debate is about) is an extension of USFs past dedication to being authentic to who and what the Tampa Bay community was and is. I think you take offense to me saying you manufactured it. I actually would have more respect for your university if you had just updated your original mascot. I personally would have been proud to be assiciated with the space program and it honestly had many cool directions that it could have been taken... hell, I wouldnt have changed the name either. University of Central Florida is very generic.... (and yes, i think USF is generic. If Univeristy of Tampa wasnt taken I would have loved that to be our name. At least both of us wouldnt be called a directional school)

I have no idea what your talking about when it comes to Ray Jay stadium... its less then 10 miles away and the Magic kingdom is closer to 60 miles away, so your intial post is still wrong.

I chose the time frame because you said "before Disney". So I went with the time frames before the mid 1950s when the announcement that it would be built. I didnt arbitrarily choose that time. I was going with the confines that you set. Tampa was actually a port city and larger ... and more important then Orlando at that time. Given, port cities usually are.

As far as originality, I dont deny that there are teams with Bulls or are related to the cattle industry. Difference is, we actually have a basis to have that name because of our history and culture...again, the whole basis of the argument, whereas I have no idea where a chromed out knight has anything to do with Orlando. Therefore supporting my argument that UCFs traditions are more contrived and USFs are more based on heritage. Again, neither is right or wrong. I think its kinda funny how this thread has gone because I really didnt mean any disparage by saying that. More so, I was simply trying to point out that the SoFlo uniforms are a part of our heritage and many people may not like them but I tend to hold things like that near and dear since it is who our community is from.

I just tend to think that UCF is more of a school that invents and contrives who they want to be and USF sticks to more of who our community and roots came from.

(and you cant deny that our name was USF for over 20 years and then yall chose the same format, then on top of that you took one of our base colors... We may be the bulls, who others have chosen but those teams arent 80 miles away)

You will never win the argument because your entire post is based on your opinion. With regard to the distance I think he meant the difference of the distances between the respective campus's to the park is about the same as your campus to ray jay. Fwiw a lot of what you said and using the word manufactured is a dig. Regardless at what point does something become tradition? I think 50 years is significant enough to be considered a tradition.
The reason the name Ucf was chosen was to represent the growth of the university to a regional university with satellite campuses. In short it's mission was to serve central Florida and not just orlando. This was a change from it's original mission to educate local engineers for the space program. The modern , aka shopping mall look, was supposed to represent the campuses roots in the space program while the brick was meant to build a connection with other older schools.
We are building tradition as we age not manufacturing it. We are also voted as one of the most beautiful campuses regularly so architectural tastes are again opinion. Your use of shopping mall was obviously meant as a description of something you don't like. That's cool but again it's a theme and expect push back as what you have said paints a broad brush and many folks have a differing opinion.
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RE: Cincinnati is the latest school to move to Under Armour
Knighbengal,
I openly said it was my opinion and you are correct, I dont like the newer types of campuses but again said that its my own feeling.
If you take the word manufacture or contrive as a dig, then so be it. I dont see them as negative but then again I work as a behavior analyst and its terminology I use daily. To me it just means something that didnt organically originate.
I am not a fan of UCF. Shocking, I know! I doubt when yall come to USF that youre a big fan either. I think much of what I said Kruciff took wrong when all I was trying to point to was just how different USF and UCF truly are and how we have stuck to using our local influences as a giude to who we are. Therefore, why I like the SoFlo design concept.

and whole Ray Jay thing isnt accurate at all (its over twice as far) but was brought up as a dig toward us. Yall better use that as much as you possibly can cause its looking like thats gonna be one you cant use soon. Harlan is raising funds for a stadium.
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Re: Cincinnati is the latest school to move to Under Armour
U_F fans arguing over history and traditions. Good stuff. I have a football older than both programs.

90 percent of people don't know any more difference between the U_F schools than the F_U schools.

But by all means carry on. It giving us all a good chuckle
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Re: RE: Cincinnati is the latest school to move to Under Armour
(04-07-2015 08:11 AM)shere khan Wrote:  U_F fans arguing over history and traditions. Good stuff. I have a football older than both programs.

90 percent of people don't know any more difference between the U_F schools than the F_U schools.

But by all means carry on. It giving us all a good chuckle

This... And how does a Cincy uniform thread take this turn?
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(04-07-2015 08:11 AM)shere khan Wrote:  U_F fans arguing over history and traditions. Good stuff. I have a football older than both programs.

90 percent of people don't know any more difference between the U_F schools than the F_U schools.

But by all means carry on. It giving us all a good chuckle

Yep, your 50 years older, have half our endowment, arent close to our research dollars and are ranked well below us academically. Tell me all about your schools history. :)

We may not have you in sports, since we are 40+ years younger but I like to point out where we do spank that ass!

(and before it gets into a pissing match, this is meant to be a light ribbing kind of joke)
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Mtmedlin comes off as jealous.
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(04-07-2015 08:15 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-07-2015 08:11 AM)shere khan Wrote:  U_F fans arguing over history and traditions. Good stuff. I have a football older than both programs.

90 percent of people don't know any more difference between the U_F schools than the F_U schools.

But by all means carry on. It giving us all a good chuckle

Yep, your 50 years older, have half our endowment, arent close to our research dollars and are ranked well below us academically. Tell me all about your schools history. :)

We may not have you in sports, since we are 40+ years younger but I like to point out where we do spank that ass!

(and before it gets into a pissing match, this is meant to be a light ribbing kind of joke)

Why do Florida schools have such huge enrollment numbers?
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(04-07-2015 08:36 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-07-2015 08:15 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-07-2015 08:11 AM)shere khan Wrote:  U_F fans arguing over history and traditions. Good stuff. I have a football older than both programs.

90 percent of people don't know any more difference between the U_F schools than the F_U schools.

But by all means carry on. It giving us all a good chuckle

Yep, your 50 years older, have half our endowment, arent close to our research dollars and are ranked well below us academically. Tell me all about your schools history. :)

We may not have you in sports, since we are 40+ years younger but I like to point out where we do spank that ass!

(and before it gets into a pissing match, this is meant to be a light ribbing kind of joke)

Why do Florida schools have such huge enrollment numbers?

we have to. Our state legislature cant agree on anything, so even though were the 3rd largest state, we only have 12 state universities... and one is a tiny Liberal Arts honors college.
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(04-07-2015 08:36 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do Florida schools have such huge enrollment numbers?

State of North Carolina (Population of almost 10 Million) has 17 Public Universities.

State of Florida (Population of almost 20 Million) has 12 Public Universities.

Even though some students from FLA go out-of-state for college and/or attend some of the few private colleges in FLA, a majority still end up at one of the 12 Public Universities...with some located in large metro areas which (i.e. Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Boca, etc...), which helps keep the cost for many parents down.
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(04-07-2015 08:47 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-07-2015 08:36 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do Florida schools have such huge enrollment numbers?

State of North Carolina (Population of almost 10 Million) has 17 Public Universities.

State of Florida (Population of almost 20 Million) has 12 Public Universities.

Even though some students from FLA go out-of-state for college and/or attend some of the few private colleges in FLA, a majority still end up at one of the 12 Public Universities...with some located in large metro areas which (i.e. Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Boca, etc...), which helps keep the cost for many parents down.

Thx. I didn't know there were that few public U's in Florida.
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