Also says it's a relatively common occurrence with Div 1. athletes. So how is it that Memphis is the only school in history to get nailed for this?

(03-27-2015 04:00 PM)spankadelphia Wrote:  One of my mom's friends works for the ETS in Knoxville, and she says invalidated test scores are shared exclusively with the test participant and/or his family. They are neither shared with the school they're admitted to and sure as **** not with the NCAA for any reason.

So this begs the question, how did the NCAA find out about it in the first place?

Thank you. That is something brought up at the time and no one had an answer. Still don't. The NCAA had an agenda. Is it that they don't want anyone outside of the major conferences to win the championship? Who knows? I am betting that they have so little and knew it. Same as USC.

The NCAA's entire case related to the Rose's ACT score is based on the fact that the Testing Authority invalidated the only passing score. Strict Liability - it doesn't matter how the clearinghouse ruled, because when they initially cleared him (August 2008), his ACT was valid. By the end of the season (April 2009), his passing ACT score was invalid. No passing ACT score = Academic Ineligibility. Strict Liability.

I've said this before - Rose can still challenge the Testing Authority to provide hard evidence that someone else indeed took his test for him. If he does that, and they can't produce evidence of fraud, then they would have to have to reinstate the passing test score.

Of course, when the allegations came to light, Rose was a 19-year old kid on the way to being the #1 pick in the NBA draft. Why bother? Nike, or the Chicago Bulls didn't care about it. He gets paid anyway.

Now, say in a couple of years, after Rose retires, and decides that he doesn't really appreciate the Testing Agency slandering his name and calling him a cheat without any hard proof, Rose decides to challenge the ruling. If he prevails, then the test score is validated. Rose would then have met the eligibility requirements, so the NCAA would have to
1. Reinstate him retroactively (and give us the banners & tournament money back) or....
2. Rule that the sanctions still apply because of the plane tickets provided to Rose's family.

(03-27-2015 04:02 PM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Also says it's a relatively common occurrence with Div 1. athletes. So how is it that Memphis is the only school in history to get nailed for this?

Happened with Ole Miss as well in 2013 with a special teams player, though they didn't have games taken away I would guess because he didn't play very much.

According to the official report on Rose, the ETS notified the NCAA when they invalidated the score.

(03-27-2015 11:50 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 07:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 06:13 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:09 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 01:52 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  Today Colin Cowherd was discussing the NCAA/Southern Cal revelations about their penalties. Unsealed emails depict the infractions committee as having members saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing even though they went ahead and hammered them. The late Paul Dee of Miami(of the term "strict liability") appears to have an agenda against USC judging by the emails. Is it time to go after the NCAA and get our wins back and put the banners back up? What if Dee had an agenda and it is clearly shown? After all, his tune changed before he died when he was having to answer why Nevin Shapiro was getting rockstar treatment from his athletic department. I would love to see what the infractions committee actually said. I am betting that they have zero proof that Rose did not take the test, and Memphis got penalized because…we are Memphis(and Cal was here).

Memphis would have been punished because Rose's brother flew with team for free. That alone made Derrick Rose ineligible.

That would have been some sort of violation, but that would not necessarily have made Derrick Rose ineligible.

Extra benefits violation.
Even if the college test score thing had not come up, the NCAA has said that Rose's brother flying free with the team was enough to make Derrick ineligible.

They wouldn't have vacated the entire season over a billing mistake if that was the only issue. Because of the issues with women's golf, they might have put the AD on a probationary period and taken a scholarship or something. But they vacated the season because of the ACT.

I know...and you know. But the NCAA has/had it out for John Calipari.
The ACT scores were their main reason.....and they added the fact that Rose's brother travelling with the team was enough to make him ineligible as well.
In short...they were going to do something to us no matter what.

(03-27-2015 11:54 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 07:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 06:13 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:09 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 01:52 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  Today Colin Cowherd was discussing the NCAA/Southern Cal revelations about their penalties. Unsealed emails depict the infractions committee as having members saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing even though they went ahead and hammered them. The late Paul Dee of Miami(of the term "strict liability") appears to have an agenda against USC judging by the emails. Is it time to go after the NCAA and get our wins back and put the banners back up? What if Dee had an agenda and it is clearly shown? After all, his tune changed before he died when he was having to answer why Nevin Shapiro was getting rockstar treatment from his athletic department. I would love to see what the infractions committee actually said. I am betting that they have zero proof that Rose did not take the test, and Memphis got penalized because…we are Memphis(and Cal was here).

Memphis would have been punished because Rose's brother flew with team for free. That alone made Derrick Rose ineligible.

That would have been some sort of violation, but that would not necessarily have made Derrick Rose ineligible.

Extra benefits violation.
Even if the college test score thing had not come up, the NCAA has said that Rose's brother flying free with the team was enough to make Derrick ineligible.

There is no way in hell that they strip a school of a Final Four appearance over a $500 flight; or even a few of them.

actually the costs of the 2 flights was about $1700+

(03-26-2015 07:17 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 01:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Some lawyer/Memphis fan needs to put in a FOIA request

I'm actually surprised this has never been done.

Lawsuit and subpoena would be the route to take.

Of course it's easier if the attorneys defending you don't admit guilt

(03-26-2015 01:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  It's all a fraud to begin with. It's all political and about who has the money and the power.

It's why I personally never paid attention to sanctions or vacated or whatever punishments were leveled by some bureaucracy. They can say what they want, it means nothing to me.

USC won the title.

Michigan Fab Five went to back to back title games.

Memphis played in the 2008 title game.

I saw all of them happen.

Anything else is for nerds to argue about in the comments section.

That's an extremely long line forming....

I seem to recall an investigator for the NCAA leaning on a former teammate or some sort of acquaintance of Rose. They had something on him, and to save himself from whatever it was they were threatening him with, he told them he took the SAT in Detroit for Rose.

The issue was that the correspondence (two letters, I think) that the ETS sent to Rose's address of record weren't responded to, so without anyone to contest the questions of possible impropriety, they ruled the score invalid which made him ineligible to enroll and, therefore, to play on the team.

I also remember hearing of a Chicago reporter asking Rose about it and his saying Cal told him not to respond (the letters came well before the end of the season.) That may or may not have been the case as I tried to find the source at the time and never could.

Stranger things have happened than all that being reversed years later, though. It just takes a phone call or email to the right person from someone persistent enough to stick it out. Somebody knows something.