The thought behind all of this is to rethink the G5 conferences (For FB only). Instead of being competitors, poaching from one another, and putting each other down why not strive to exist as one conference together? I mean we only have one spot in the new CFP anyway. I say lets restructure the conferences based on Geography. This model would help spread out the talent between the five conferences. So at the end of the year the G5 could present 5 conference champions that are name brand teams and nationally respected. Instead of the CFP just hoping that Boise does well enough to make the Access bowl.

We have 63 teams in the G5. In this model I assume BYU and Army will remain Independent. That leaves us with 61 teams. 5 conferences (4 with 12 and 1 with 13). The current G5 conferences could manage theses new G5 geographic divisions. Each Division would have good markets and good recruiting states.

Here are the new divisions:

G5 West (MWC) (BYU)
West East
1. Hawaii 1. Boise St.
2. San Diego St. 2. Idaho
3. San Jose St. 3. Wyoming
4. Fresno St. 4. Utah St.
5. UNLV 5. Air Force
6. Nevada 6. Colorado St.

G5 SouthWest (CUSA)
West East
1. New Mexico 1. SMU
2. New Mexico St. 2. Houston
3. UTEP 3. Rice
4. Tulsa 4. North Texas
5. UTSA 5. Arkansas St.
6. Texas St. 6. Louisiana Tech

G5 East (AAC)(Army)
North South
1. UMASS 1. Old Dominion
2. UCONN 2. ECU
3. Temple 3. App St.
4. Navy 4. Charlotte
5. Cincinnati 5. Memphis
6. Marshall 6. Middle Tennessee St.
7. Western Kentucky

G5 MidWest (MAC)
West East
1. Northern Illinois 1. Buffalo
2. Ball St. 2. Toledo
3. Western Michigan 3. Akron
4. Central Michigan 4. Bowling Green
5. Eastern Michigan 5. Ohio
6. Miami (OH) 6. Kent St.

G5 SouthEast (SBC)
West East
1. Louisiana-Lafayette 1. South Florida
2. Louisiana Monroe 2. Central Florida
3. Tulane 3. FAU
4. Southern Miss 4. FIU
5. Troy 5. Georgia Southern
6. South Alabama 6. Georgia St.



Thoughts?

How do you get politics to be put aside to have this done?

How do you negotiate television contracts?

How does revenue get shared?

In theory? Your stance makes total sense. But you so vastly oversimplified the project that's it's unrealistic. Does the basic G5 conference negotiate as one unit for television contracts? If so, then in theory you'd have the best games on television in the right region. But how about the money? evenly split?

How do you think (using an example) if Georgia Southern/Georgia State became the premiere game to watch, garnering a HUGE amount of viewers. But the... Texas State/Arkansas State game sucks for viewers. Is it equitable for us to get an even split? How long do you think the conference you are in waits before it tries to split off and get it's own TV deal to maximize revenue? But once you do that, you'll want to replace your underperforming (or the schools that don't bring television dollars) teams with teams that will bring viewers.

Then you get back to a G5.

What you're talking about is basically a new starting point for the conferences to split up.

(03-26-2015 09:43 AM)prisonmike Wrote:  G5 SouthEast (SBC)
West East
1. Louisiana-Lafayette 1. South Florida
2. Louisiana Monroe 2. Central Florida
3. Tulane 3. FAU
4. Southern Miss 4. FIU
5. Troy 5. Georgia Southern
6. South Alabama 6. Georgia St.

Just make this the SBC, I'd be happy with that even with the F_U's were involved. This is a regional decision, not a hit on stAte, TxSt or Appy St.

Good luck convincing the AAC to do that. They see themselves as more similar to the P5 than the G5.

lol. no kidding.

(03-26-2015 09:43 AM)prisonmike Wrote:  The thought behind all of this is to rethink the G5 conferences (For FB only). Instead of being competitors, poaching from one another, and putting each other down why not strive to exist as one conference together? I mean we only have one spot in the new CFP anyway. I say lets restructure the conferences based on Geography. This model would help spread out the talent between the five conferences. So at the end of the year the G5 could present 5 conference champions that are name brand teams and nationally respected. Instead of the CFP just hoping that Boise does well enough to make the Access bowl.

We have 63 teams in the G5. In this model I assume BYU and Army will remain Independent. That leaves us with 61 teams. 5 conferences (4 with 12 and 1 with 13). The current G5 conferences could manage theses new G5 geographic divisions. Each Division would have good markets and good recruiting states.

Here are the new divisions:

G5 West (MWC) (BYU)
West East
1. Hawaii 1. Boise St.
2. San Diego St. 2. Idaho
3. San Jose St. 3. Wyoming
4. Fresno St. 4. Utah St.
5. UNLV 5. Air Force
6. Nevada 6. Colorado St.

G5 SouthWest (CUSA)
West East
1. New Mexico 1. SMU
2. New Mexico St. 2. Houston
3. UTEP 3. Rice
4. Tulsa 4. North Texas
5. UTSA 5. Louisiana
6. Texas St. 6. Louisiana Tech

G5 East (AAC)(Army)
North South
1. UMASS 1. Old Dominion
2. UCONN 2. ECU
3. Temple 3. App St.
4. Navy 4. Charlotte
5. Cincinnati 5. Memphis
6. Marshall 6. Middle Tennessee St.
7. Western Kentucky

G5 MidWest (MAC)
West East
1. Northern Illinois 1. Buffalo
2. Ball St. 2. Toledo
3. Western Michigan 3. Akron
4. Central Michigan 4. Bowling Green
5. Eastern Michigan 5. Ohio
6. Miami (OH) 6. Kent St.

G5 SouthEast (SBC)
West East
1. Arkansas State 1. South Florida
2. Louisiana Monroe 2. Central Florida
3. Tulane 3. FAU
4. Southern Miss 4. FIU
5. Troy 5. Georgia Southern
6. South Alabama 6. Georgia St.



Thoughts?

Fixed it for you!

Too many rivalries would be broken

(03-26-2015 09:57 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How do you get politics to be put aside to have this done?

How do you negotiate television contracts?

How does revenue get shared?

In theory? Your stance makes total sense. But you so vastly oversimplified the project that's it's unrealistic. Does the basic G5 conference negotiate as one unit for television contracts? If so, then in theory you'd have the best games on television in the right region. But how about the money? evenly split?

How do you think (using an example) if Georgia Southern/Georgia State became the premiere game to watch, garnering a HUGE amount of viewers. But the... Texas State/Arkansas State game sucks for viewers. Is it equitable for us to get an even split? How long do you think the conference you are in waits before it tries to split off and get it's own TV deal to maximize revenue? But once you do that, you'll want to replace your underperforming (or the schools that don't bring television dollars) teams with teams that will bring viewers.

Then you get back to a G5.

What you're talking about is basically a new starting point for the conferences to split up.

(03-26-2015 10:29 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Good luck convincing the AAC to do that. They see themselves as more similar to the P5 than the G5.

So since Presidents decide and since they decide on factors other than whhat a fan would how could this ever happen?

Short answer is it wont. Presidents like peer groups and because of that strict geography becomes a secondary or tertiary factor.

We're all too good to be associated with one another.

Always interesting to group by geography, but that is a small part of what make conference mates. Most of this is about perception and marketing to increase prestige/perception. The Directional-Hyphenated U's that have grown since the 1960's primarily struggle against cultural traditions which favor Big State U's that have been prestigious schools for a century or longer.

None of us will ever be McDonald's, but we can grow to be successful regional chains with national name recognition and prestige. To do that, we have to have quality products and superior customer care along with targeted marketing. Our conferences allow us political access at the NCAA table, but we are a permanent minority.

The biggest mistake market minority schools make, whether G5 or FCS, is when they kick each other for the "privilege" of eating scraps from the Big Boy table. The G5 schools could have much more political power if they could somehow join together and agree on guidelines for payouts from the Big Boys using basketball and non-revenue sports as leverage.

I'm sure the schools at the bottom half of the P5's want to have G5's and FCS on their schedules for an opportunity to win some games. Sadly, none of this will ever happen which leaves each school the task of growing donors and attendance by winning on the field and targeted marketing. Our successful coaches will be poached and we'll take our lumps, but having a product that our respective communities, alumni, and future alumni love is the real challenge.

G5 fans who have dreams of being admitted to the P5 club are just delusional.

(03-26-2015 03:10 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  We're all too good to be associated with one another.

That's genius, that is. Uses an economy of words, boils it down to a nutshell: We're all better than the other guy, no matter who the other guy is. It applies to everything in life, too, because in our jaded 21st Century society, the one thing everyone has in common is this --- everybody needs somebody to look down on.

Bravo sir. Or m'am, or whatever ...

7 Texas teams in one conference... no thank you.

SBC fans may yearn for a G5 where every G5 conference is equal, but AAC and MWC fans are convinced that their two conferences are far superior to the rest of us. In another five years or so, perhaps those guys will come to accept the fact that the P5 conferences have dumped us all, but for now, it's still every man for himself as everyone jockeys for position trying to become known as the "Best of the Rest" conference. We all need to get used to the way our conferences look today. They're all going to look like that for quite a while. I'd say for the next ten years at least.

It's not that the Sun Belt wants equal conferences. We're in a good conference with great competition with arguably the greatest potential. With the exception of a couple at the moment we're good. Dropping the football only or seeing them compete at a higher level would make it all the better. The problem is that when a program peaks with the slightest hint of opportunity they're gone for what appears to be greener pastures. The simplest scenario is UL, ULM. Tex State, USA, App state, GS, Ga state, ASU, and Troy to stay put and do what we do. These are all solid programs. All agree to long term commitments and stop with the jumping at first opportunity. Let those universities with significantly higher travel cost continue to spend. If and when they see the value of entering a stable competitive conference, with a more regional south eastern brand, we may consider adding them. Changing the name would help. Southern Coastal Conference , for example, would do much to enhance the branding opportunity.