(03-20-2015 08:13 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Let's clear the air - Austin & his camp have looked into transfer options. I know for a fact that Austin, himself, does NOT want to sit out a year. His plan is to get his diploma next year and go pro early. He wants to go to the NBA as soon as he can & having to sit out a year somewhere isn't in his plans. That being said, the idea that he could redshirt somewhere, and maybe get more NBA recognition on a new team, under another coach, has been discussed.

Sounds like a good plan...he gets lots of PT and attention here

Silence is due to waiting until tourney is over. There will be staff changes. The $300,000 salaries alone will necessitate it. If players leave then they split. Happens most everywhere. Our former coach ran off two players who are still in the tourney as big parts of their team…Ryan Harrow and Kyle Wiltcher, from his Kentucky squad. The many threads about Pastner seem silly when everyone knows the score about how Rudd looks at it.

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:49 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  Here's the reality....about half the squad would leave if they could. That includes Shaq, Nichols, Burrell, Pookie. There is a lot of unhappiness and frustration among the players towards Pastner. Fact.

Reality part II says if they leave, they will find the same/similar issues at their next stop.

How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

The sad part is that there is a general consensus of dudes on a message board agreeing about fixes that a guy getting paid $2.65 million and six years in that haven't been fixed.

(03-21-2015 01:03 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  Silence is due to waiting until tourney is over. There will be staff changes. The $300,000 salaries alone will necessitate it. If players leave then they split. Happens most everywhere. Our former coach ran off two players who are still in the tourney as big parts of their team…Ryan Harrow and Kyle Wiltcher, from his Kentucky squad. The many threads about Pastner seem silly when everyone knows the score about how Rudd looks at it.

No offense, but Cal ran off Harrow and Wiltjer to sign better players.

I'd be shocked if the late period brings anyone better than Iverson, Woodson, Magee, et al.

Like the hire or not, I along with everyone else had no clue about CJP's coaching abilities when he was hired. I decided to take a wait-and-see approach. Admittedly, after 6 years, IMO improvement for him has come too slow but I'm am ok with giving him a 7th year to see if he can turn it around. However, if what I've read from the local newspaper is true, all the transfer issues involving starting players (including Joe Jackson from last year) and even having to convince Pookie to come back this year, concerns/alarms me. Also, IF after 6 years, a top ten salaried head coach is asked to hire an "X & O's guy", IMO, that will say a lot about the confidence the powers-that-be have in him.

Josh has nothing significant for spring....He may get kid from White Station. Local kids coming up would rather go Pearl, Anderson, Kennedy

No body want to play with CJP....it's over locally.

(03-21-2015 10:45 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  Josh has nothing significant for spring....He may get kid from White Station. Local kids coming up would rather go Pearl, Anderson, Kennedy

No body want to play with CJP....it's over locally.

Is this the word on the street? or a guess? Is this known?

(03-22-2015 12:29 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:45 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  Josh has nothing significant for spring....He may get kid from White Station. Local kids coming up would rather go Pearl, Anderson, Kennedy

No body want to play with CJP....it's over locally.

Is this the word on the street? Is this known?

Yes

It isn't good that's for sure.

(03-20-2015 08:35 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:31 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:13 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Let's clear the air - Austin & his camp have looked into transfer options. I know for a fact that Austin, himself, does NOT want to sit out a year. His plan is to get his diploma next year and go pro early. He wants to go to the NBA as soon as he can & having to sit out a year somewhere isn't in his plans. That being said, the idea that he could redshirt somewhere, and maybe get more NBA recognition on a new team, under another coach, has been discussed.

I could see him do what Tarik Black did with even better results.

no idea if that is sheer rumor but it would be interesting to see the Cult of Pastner spin that news

She sat down in one corner of the room, and began to bewail her hard fate; when on a sudden the door opened, and a droll-looking little man hobbled in, and said, 'Good morrow to you, my good lass; what are you weeping for?' 'Alas!' said she, 'I must spin this straw into gold, and I know not how.'

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:49 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  Here's the reality....about half the squad would leave if they could. That includes Shaq, Nichols, Burrell, Pookie. There is a lot of unhappiness and frustration among the players towards Pastner. Fact.

Reality part II says if they leave, they will find the same/similar issues at their next stop.

How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

(03-22-2015 12:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Reality part II says if they leave, they will find the same/similar issues at their next stop.

How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

That's exactly what I'd like to see CJP do. Develop a system and recruit players that fit it regardless of how many stars appear by their names.

(03-22-2015 12:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Reality part II says if they leave, they will find the same/similar issues at their next stop.

How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

You are talking out of your a** right now. Austin doesn't know fundamental basketball? Pookie doesn't know fundamental basketball? Kedren?

You'll do mf'ing mental backflips to somehow continue blaming our players rather than our terrible coach. My two year old knows more about the game of basketball than you do, apparently.

(03-22-2015 12:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Reality part II says if they leave, they will find the same/similar issues at their next stop.

How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

So I am saying he should be let go for developing players. It seems to me that your saying he should be let go because he is not recruiting the right players. Why argue he needs to be let go right?

(03-22-2015 12:15 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 12:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

You are talking out of your a** right now. Austin doesn't know fundamental basketball? Pookie doesn't know fundamental basketball? Kedren?

You'll do mf'ing mental backflips to somehow continue blaming our players rather than our terrible coach. My two year old knows more about the game of basketball than you do, apparently.

AN is a great BBall player, not just a great athlete. Thanks for making my point. Pookie's demonstrated BBall IQ is high school sophomore level. An athlete playing basketball who has never been taught how to play, yet wants to step immediately onto the floor at a high D1. Kendren knows how to play but doesn't fit our system.

You should stop frothing at the mouth. I'm not making excuses for the average/below average coaching job JP has done. It is not good enough for our program. He needs to either recruit players that fit his system and coach them up or move on. I prefer move on.

(03-22-2015 03:19 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 12:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 01:54 AM)dgold38 Wrote:  How can you possibly say that? The same coaches win year after year, they go to to a new spot like cal did and they win. Like Roy Williams, like Ben Howland, like Mike Anderson, even guys like Kelvin Sampson, if he stays at Houston he will probably win and get in trouble but he will win, this is true in high school, college and even the NBA. Coaching is very important and you are basically saying it isn't.

If you ever played you never played for a good coach I will tell you that.

I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

So I am saying he should be let go for developing players. It seems to me that your saying he should be let go because he is not recruiting the right players. Why argue he needs to be let go right?

He just needs to start winning. I don't care how as long as its clean. We need to be competing (win some/lose some) against quality/high ranked opponents.

(03-22-2015 04:37 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 12:15 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 12:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 05:37 PM)dgold38 Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I can say it with complete confidence. Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

exactly then why do the same coaches win? Heres a hint they have a better effect on there players.

Because the past is the best and most accurate predictor of the future.

Right. They recruit players that fit their systems. And they recruit great/really good basketball players, not great/really good athletes who have to be taught the fundamentals of basketball while expecting to go pro in 2 years.

You are talking out of your a** right now. Austin doesn't know fundamental basketball? Pookie doesn't know fundamental basketball? Kedren?

You'll do mf'ing mental backflips to somehow continue blaming our players rather than our terrible coach. My two year old knows more about the game of basketball than you do, apparently.

AN is a great BBall player, not just a great athlete. Thanks for making my point. Pookie's demonstrated BBall IQ is high school sophomore level. An athlete playing basketball who has never been taught how to play, yet wants to step immediately onto the floor at a high D1. Kendren knows how to play but doesn't fit our system.

You should stop frothing at the mouth. I'm not making excuses for the average/below average coaching job JP has done. It is not good enough for our program. He needs to either recruit players that fit his system and coach them up or move on. I prefer move on.

Go look up the Dr. Phillips HS system. Do some research, get to understand the game of basketball. Possibly learn the names of our players. Then come back and give us all apologies for typing this garbage on the Org.

"Kendren (eyeroll) doesn't fit our system."

^^^ And exactly WHAT system is that, genius? You couldn't describe our system right now if I handed you $100,000 for a correct answer.