(03-22-2015 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Knightbengal - UL was clearly our top overall program. Best combined football and basketball results, biggest national brand, highest revenue and attendance. In football, their program is better than any of ours. Their loss took away a big chunk of our credibility.

Can we build it back? Sure. But there are no guarantees.

Georgetown lost

(03-22-2015 12:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If you really think otherwise, then why did the AAC get no respect on selection Sunday? The Big East bombed out of last year's tourney and yet got lots of respect from the committee, six teams and good seedings. So it is clear the committee and P5 regard the Big East as a Major conference.

In contrast, despite having the Defending National Champion, the AAC was treated like a scrub league, with just two bids and our champ getting a worse seed than the 4th place Big East team. Just let that sink in.

You can keep waving the flag about the UConn title and the UCF Fiesta Bowl win, but it is obvious that to the national media and college athletics world both are last year's news. This years news was a 3rd place finish among the G5 in football and an even worse season in basketball.

And if AAC football and basketball got so little respect this year coming off the UCF and UConn wins, what respect are we likely to get next year, coming off SMU's flop and our awful football results?

There's nothing to sink in. The AAC's problem in both sports is simply that the bottom is too large. At the top, the Big East had 5 Tulsas plus Villanova. At the bottom, they had 3 Tulanes....we had one Tulane plus 4 teams worse than Tulane (at least ooc they were).
In football, we had a large bottom. Clean that up then the league, both sports, will be fine.
I use Tulane's 2 seasons simply as an example of what our bottom should look like because one thing we did do was we didn't lose to bad teams ooc in either sport. I certainly am not proud of the overall dismal performance, and hope and believe we will improve. Just saying that if that quality is the worst in the AAC, the league will be very good in both sports.

The two year report is in on the nBE. The are an RPI fluffer conference. They look good on paper, and then evaporate in the tournament, even after getting more teams in than deserved, and being consistently overseeded.

The AAC, on the other hand, gets screwed on teams in the field two years in a row, gets screwed in seeding two years in a row, and has a national title to show for it.

And in the end, thats all that matters.

And yes, being in the AAC had everything to do with UConn being able to win the national championship. You prepare your team for the tournament by who you play prior to the tournament, which is your conference schedule.

(03-22-2015 12:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Homer, why do you keep harping on UConn's national title last year? Nobody credits -in the sense that it causes anyone to think the AAC is good as a conference- that to the AAC, just as nobody credits the UConn women's success to us either.

LMAO! Credit isn't anyone's to grant. Credit is EARNED with results, and UCONN's National Titles are now part of the AAC legacy... and that story will get replayed on ESPN, OVER AND OVER, when it gets around tourney time. The patch on the uniform broadcasts it to television sets across the world.



You can't close your eyes and wish it away. You are a bitter little cuss, quo. IMO, the NBE is unlikely to ever have a National Champion again. They haven't since the mid 80s. However, the AAC has one in just its two year history (over Kentucky no less). That burns you up. lol

(03-22-2015 12:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Homer, why do you keep harping on UConn's national title last year? Nobody credits -in the sense that it causes anyone to think the AAC is good as a conference- that to the AAC, just as nobody credits the UConn women's success to us either. And for the obvious reason that they had the same success long before they joined the AAC.

If you really think otherwise, then why did the AAC get no respect on selection Sunday? The Big East bombed out of last year's tourney and yet got lots of respect from the committee, six teams and good seedings. So it is clear the committee and P5 regard the Big East as a Major conference.

In contrast, despite having the Defending National Champion, the AAC was treated like a scrub league, with just two bids and our champ getting a worse seed than the 4th place Big East team. Just let that sink in.

You can keep waving the flag about the UConn title and the UCF Fiesta Bowl win, but it is obvious that to the national media and college athletics world both are last year's news. This years news was a 3rd place finish among the G5 in football and an even worse season in basketball.

And if AAC football and basketball got so little respect this year coming off the UCF and UConn wins, what respect are we likely to get next year, coming off SMU's flop and our awful football results?

selection sunday is just 10 people, and 10 people with linked interest to other teams or leagues...there opinion isnt the general view of college opinion, if we had a committee member and we got temple in this year or smu last, that wouldnt have meant the national media viewed us any better or worse than they do today..the A10 had 6 last year, no one even considers them a power league and every site still considers/lists the AAC a power league

and we dont get credit for the UConn womens because they are so dominant over everyone that they are put in a league of their own, and not just from the AAC but from the enite NCAA womens, its uconn and then everyone else

but Quo you are an idiot if you think te AAC gained major credit for Uconn national mens title even today...i heard atleast 10 announcers say that the league was just down this year and almost all reference uconns title ...if not for uconn title most would view the league as fading and not just having a bad year....

and in football we got respect, everyone had ucf almost a lock to beat psu despite psu returning a lot and ucf rebuilding the offense, houston, cincy had preseason votes in respect to what other G5 were, we were defintely given a ton more respect coming into the season, we just didnt play to our expectations....

the league still gets respect from the bcs/title..obviously the title more as thats the pinnacle and the bcs wasnt the top and the system has changed but but most analyst would still say top to bottom the AAC is till the best G5 in football, despite boise, and almost every site still considers the AAC a power BBall league...

(03-22-2015 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Knightbengal - UL was clearly our top overall program. Best combined football and basketball results, biggest national brand, highest revenue and attendance. In football, their program is better than any of ours. Their loss took away a big chunk of our credibility.

Can we build it back? Sure. But there are no guarantees.

Absolutely the loss of Louisville was huge. However, the AAC gained by subtraction of Rutgers. Even the losses of Pitt and Syracuse that were mid-level programs in most years in both sports were not huge losses.

Why do you continue to tell half a story when making an argument?

The team that Temple blew out today, George Washington, sent Pittsburgh home to their XBoxs; just like Houston did to their football team during bowl season.


Good win for the Owls. On to the next..

(03-21-2015 06:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Bull, i post here because i have for 7 years. I generally talk about AAC issues. I only discuss the Big East when obsessed people around here bring it up.

Quo that does not even make sense, your (basketball) team changed conferences and thus changed forums. If USF went to the Big 12 or SEC (don't laugh), I wouldn't hang around here just to be contrary... I'd migrate over with all the other USF fans.

Again, no offense intended, but at least during BB season you're are kind of the definition of a troll.

I know Quo is gonna keep being Quo... I was just curious.

Pesik, what evidence is there that UConn's title rubbed off on the AAC at all?

Despite that, on selection sunday we were treated like an ordinary G5, basically a scrub league.

All the tangible evidence shows we get no respect from the powers that be in football or basketball.

Can the NBE schools force students and alumni to watch games? Thinking outside the box to get their ratings up from 0-0.3. Before they hibernate of course.

Sfink16: do you seriously think Syracuse and Pitt are not much bigger brand names than the schools we replaced them with?

Seriously?

(03-22-2015 01:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 12:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Homer, why do you keep harping on UConn's national title last year? Nobody credits -in the sense that it causes anyone to think the AAC is good as a conference- that to the AAC, just as nobody credits the UConn women's success to us either.

LMAO! Credit isn't anyone's to grant. Credit is EARNED with results, and UCONN's National Titles are now part of the AAC legacy... and that story will get replayed on ESPN, OVER AND OVER, when it gets around tourney time. The patch on the uniform broadcasts it to television sets across the world.



You can't close your eyes and wish it away. You are a bitter little cuss, quo. IMO, the NBE is unlikely to ever have a National Champion again. They haven't since the mid 80s. However, the AAC has one in just its two year history (over Kentucky no less). That burns you up. lol

The nBE.......failing to win Championships since 1985.

(03-22-2015 01:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Pesik, what evidence is there that UConn's title rubbed off on the AAC at all?

Despite that, on selection sunday we were treated like an ordinary G5, basically a scrub league.

All the tangible evidence shows we get no respect from the powers that be in football or basketball.

Power conference has nothing to do with performance. Consider it a country club that doesn't want others joining. UCF destroyed the Big 12 champ in a bowl game and we won both men's and women's national championship in hoops. That is power by any definition and unlike little religious school conferences that don't play big boy games. The NBE is similar to the A10 which there is nothing wrong with it, but not a major conference.

It's hilarious how some folks perception is exactly 12 months long. Win a national championship on year: means nothing for the conference. Next year 2 bids: Conference is horrible!!!

LOL

(03-22-2015 07:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The AAC just went into hibernation until September.

Oh wait a minute: sadly, nobody pays attention to our football either, so ... come on guys, if smacking the Big East for going 1-3 yesterday makes you feel better have at it. But objectively, both AAC football and basketball were disasters in our first G5 year.

AAC still has ESPN exposure

All while the NEW big east basketball conference is on ... ... ...

(03-22-2015 01:38 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Can the NBE schools force students and alumni to watch games? Thinking outside the box to get their ratings up from 0-0.3. Before they hibernate of course.

Even if they some how manage to do that, doubt they hit or reach the 1. TV rating mark.

Man, this is to easy.

(03-22-2015 01:45 PM)Bull Wrote:  It's hilarious how some folks perception is exactly 12 months long. Win a national championship on year: means nothing for the conference. Next year 2 bids: Conference is horrible!!!

LOL

Exactly. Big East got 3 last year when they had a bad year. This year we had a bad year. Memphis and UConn were down. Temple was robbed. Any real concern that Memphis and UConn wont bounce back next year? While I would love to see us add Wichita and minimum scheduling requirements, I am confident we will rebound with at least 4 bids next year regardless of what we do.

Knighttime: if what you say is correct then why do the powers in college athletics treat the Big East like a major league while the AAC, even coming off UConn's title, got treated like a doormat conference?

Maybe it is because this past year we were the 8th best basketball conference? And you combine that with our being the 8th best football conference this year and there's nothing Powerful about us.

That is reality ...

(03-22-2015 01:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Knighttime: if what you say is correct then why do the powers in college athletics treat the Big East like a major league while the AAC, even coming off UConn's title, got treated like a doormat conference?

Maybe it is because this past year we were the 8th best basketball conference? And you combine that with our being the 8th best football conference this year and there's nothing Powerful about us.

That is reality ...

You mean the same "major league" that's won zilch, nada, NOTHING since 1985? Maybe these powers own a delorean that's also a time-machine.

(03-22-2015 01:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Knighttime: if what you say is correct then why do the powers in college athletics treat the Big East like a major league while the AAC, even coming off UConn's title, got treated like a doormat conference?

Maybe it is because this past year we were the 8th best basketball conference? And you combine that with our being the 8th best football conference this year and there's nothing Powerful about us.

That is reality ...

Why are you saying "WE"? Quo, you lose all suspension of belief when you do that. We already know who you're here to promote.

Why aren't you on the NBE boards blowing your NBE sunshine up their asses? They need it right now.

Instead you're here trying to make us feel bad. lol