(03-19-2015 10:41 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:35 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Keeping a Coach then, and keeping a coach now are different things. The number one strategic mistake any company/organization can make is to plan for "yesterday's war". The gap is coming, Memphis's key to closing that gap is football NOT basketball. We ignore the new reality, because of the way things have "always been done" at Memphis at our peril. A top notch basketball program is like having a Hotel on Baltic Avenue in Monopoly, it's nice, but doesn't affect the outcome of the game.

Exactly, short sighted is assuming what was good yesterday will good tomorrow... Football is what matters and is the key to getting into a P5 conference. It has been proven that basketball is not the answer, no matter how strong the program is. We had the best 4 year run our program will likely ever see and it was not enough.

A buddy of mine has been upset about the cutbacks to basketball. I've tried to explain to him that if we do not get football going, the university's sports program will have a much harder time competing in the new world order of college athletics. If football does not succeed, it will eventually hurt basketball and other sports.

(03-21-2015 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:41 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:35 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Keeping a Coach then, and keeping a coach now are different things. The number one strategic mistake any company/organization can make is to plan for "yesterday's war". The gap is coming, Memphis's key to closing that gap is football NOT basketball. We ignore the new reality, because of the way things have "always been done" at Memphis at our peril. A top notch basketball program is like having a Hotel on Baltic Avenue in Monopoly, it's nice, but doesn't affect the outcome of the game.

Exactly, short sighted is assuming what was good yesterday will good tomorrow... Football is what matters and is the key to getting into a P5 conference. It has been proven that basketball is not the answer, no matter how strong the program is. We had the best 4 year run our program will likely ever see and it was not enough.

A buddy of mine has been upset about the cutbacks to basketball. I've tried to explain to him that if we do not get football going, the university's sports program will have a much harder time competing in the new world order of college athletics. If football does not succeed, it will eventually hurt basketball and other sports.

Basketball is useless. Basketball is an aquarium of clown fish in animal kingdom of sports. Slap you friend in the mouth and tell him to schedule a tickle fight with caulking and wolking

Damn

(03-21-2015 10:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:41 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:35 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Keeping a Coach then, and keeping a coach now are different things. The number one strategic mistake any company/organization can make is to plan for "yesterday's war". The gap is coming, Memphis's key to closing that gap is football NOT basketball. We ignore the new reality, because of the way things have "always been done" at Memphis at our peril. A top notch basketball program is like having a Hotel on Baltic Avenue in Monopoly, it's nice, but doesn't affect the outcome of the game.

Exactly, short sighted is assuming what was good yesterday will good tomorrow... Football is what matters and is the key to getting into a P5 conference. It has been proven that basketball is not the answer, no matter how strong the program is. We had the best 4 year run our program will likely ever see and it was not enough.

A buddy of mine has been upset about the cutbacks to basketball. I've tried to explain to him that if we do not get football going, the university's sports program will have a much harder time competing in the new world order of college athletics. If football does not succeed, it will eventually hurt basketball and other sports.

Basketball is useless. Basketball is an aquarium of clown fish in animal kingdom of sports. Slap you friend in the mouth and tell him to schedule a tickle fight with caulking and wolking

That was a tad harsh.

You're right though, we have to get up to speed with football.

(03-21-2015 10:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:41 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:35 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Keeping a Coach then, and keeping a coach now are different things. The number one strategic mistake any company/organization can make is to plan for "yesterday's war". The gap is coming, Memphis's key to closing that gap is football NOT basketball. We ignore the new reality, because of the way things have "always been done" at Memphis at our peril. A top notch basketball program is like having a Hotel on Baltic Avenue in Monopoly, it's nice, but doesn't affect the outcome of the game.

Exactly, short sighted is assuming what was good yesterday will good tomorrow... Football is what matters and is the key to getting into a P5 conference. It has been proven that basketball is not the answer, no matter how strong the program is. We had the best 4 year run our program will likely ever see and it was not enough.

A buddy of mine has been upset about the cutbacks to basketball. I've tried to explain to him that if we do not get football going, the university's sports program will have a much harder time competing in the new world order of college athletics. If football does not succeed, it will eventually hurt basketball and other sports.

Basketball is useless. Basketball is an aquarium of clown fish in animal kingdom of sports. Slap you friend in the mouth and tell him to schedule a tickle fight with caulking and wolking

+1000000000

(03-19-2015 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 03:04 PM)83msu Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:39 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:36 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  But commercial flights for the basketball team mean we are small time now...#firstthingsfirst

No, it means basketball expenses are being cut in favor of football expenses finally, and as it should be...

That is incredibly short sighted. If we do not get in a P5..you can spend billions on FB but you won't be able to keep a coach. "Traditionally" BB has been he golden goose, so be careful what you wish for. I don't want one over the other to succeed. I want it all!

(1) We weren't able to keep a basketball coach

(2) I want it all too. That's why I support Bowen's efforts to be fiscally responsible.

1) There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done at that time to keep Cal. His decision was already made up before the season was even over.

2) It is not being fiscally responsible it is operating with a small school mentality. Is acting like Johnson in Viet Nam and another figure from another war in mid 20th century history. Has to micro manage every small detail himself instead of trusting those with more experience and expertise in certain areas. Is still acting as if he is at some small time college.

Just going to leave this right here on page one.

Huh?

(03-23-2015 06:19 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 03:04 PM)83msu Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:39 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:36 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  But commercial flights for the basketball team mean we are small time now...#firstthingsfirst

No, it means basketball expenses are being cut in favor of football expenses finally, and as it should be...

That is incredibly short sighted. If we do not get in a P5..you can spend billions on FB but you won't be able to keep a coach. "Traditionally" BB has been he golden goose, so be careful what you wish for. I don't want one over the other to succeed. I want it all

(1) We weren't able to keep a basketball coach

(2) I want it all too. That's why I support Bowen's efforts to be fiscally responsible.

1) There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done at that time to keep Cal. His decision was already made up before the season was even over.

2) It is not being fiscally responsible it is operating with a small school mentality. Is acting like Johnson in Viet Nam and another figure from another war in mid 20th century history. Has to micro manage every small detail himself instead of trusting those with more experience and expertise in certain areas. Is still acting as if he is at some small time college.

It's easy to spend money when you have money to spend.
When you don't have the money to do everything you want to do you make priority decisions.
Right now various fans want to fire Pastner, keep Pastner, hire a big name BB coach, sign Fuente to a long-term contract, build a OCS, build our own BB arena, finish South campus and a long list of projects we can't pay for.

Call Bowen small time thinking but until donors think big time and we get in a conference that generates dollars Bowen is on a budget. If you manage a budget in whatever it is that you do you get that. My budget is around $25,000,000 and I get that. I've had cutbacks and layoffs three years in a row.

(03-28-2015 12:13 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 06:19 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 03:04 PM)83msu Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 02:39 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  No, it means basketball expenses are being cut in favor of football expenses finally, and as it should be...

That is incredibly short sighted. If we do not get in a P5..you can spend billions on FB but you won't be able to keep a coach. "Traditionally" BB has been he golden goose, so be careful what you wish for. I don't want one over the other to succeed. I want it all

(1) We weren't able to keep a basketball coach

(2) I want it all too. That's why I support Bowen's efforts to be fiscally responsible.

1) There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done at that time to keep Cal. His decision was already made up before the season was even over.

2) It is not being fiscally responsible it is operating with a small school mentality. Is acting like Johnson in Viet Nam and another figure from another war in mid 20th century history. Has to micro manage every small detail himself instead of trusting those with more experience and expertise in certain areas. Is still acting as if he is at some small time college.

It's easy to spend money when you have money to spend.
When you don't have the money to do everything you want to do you make priority decisions.
Right now various fans want to fire Pastner, keep Pastner, hire a big name BB coach, sign Fuente to a long-term contract, build a OCS, build our own BB arena, finish South campus and a long list of projects we can't pay for.

Call Bowen small time thinking but until donors think big time and we get in a conference that generates dollars Bowen is on a budget. If you manage a budget in whatever it is that you do you get that. My budget is around $25,000,000 and I get that. I've had cutbacks and layoffs three years in a row.

Three of your arguments are pure delusional. You must accept these three things. We are NOT going to build an OCS, We are NOT going to build our own BB arena and unless we get into a P5 conference we are NOT going to keep Fuente long term. We can have periods of success in football, but long term success is not going to happen here in today's system. As long as there is a two tier FBS system then the P5 will be able to raid any non P5 school anytime they see a successful coach. The ONLY sport a non P5 school can be competitive nationally long term is MBB. And as soon as the P5 get their total autonomy as they are seeking that will cease. To cut the budget of the only sport where long term success is possible is asinine.

(03-18-2015 08:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not sure many folks understand how important Memphis Tigers Basketball is to the City of Memphis. You have to experience it to get it.

All the way to the Forum on game day, for example, people honk and wave when they see us passing in our Tiger caps. I can go into any regular store and immediately start talking Tiger BB. I once had a conversation with a woman at the Whole Food's checkout stand, whose friend dated Joey Dorsey and was disappointed..lol. In the Baptist hospital emergency room, people had the game on the radio in the waiting room.

What I'm saying is, I don't know any other city that shares this kind of transcendental bond. Memphis BB brings our community together, even if it's just to carp on the head coach. If we lose this connection between folks of all economic groups, races, genders, ages etc, we have lost something very valuable.

Let's not forget BB after we get to the Promised P5 land full of milk and money.

Yet you admit you've never been to the Liberty Bowl. I can assure you, the game-day tailgating experience is meeting and surpassing that of "waves as you pass fellow tiger fans on the way to the FEF".

(03-28-2015 02:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 06:19 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 03:04 PM)83msu Wrote:  That is incredibly short sighted. If we do not get in a P5..you can spend billions on FB but you won't be able to keep a coach. "Traditionally" BB has been he golden goose, so be careful what you wish for. I don't want one over the other to succeed. I want it all

(1) We weren't able to keep a basketball coach

(2) I want it all too. That's why I support Bowen's efforts to be fiscally responsible.

1) There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done at that time to keep Cal. His decision was already made up before the season was even over.

2) It is not being fiscally responsible it is operating with a small school mentality. Is acting like Johnson in Viet Nam and another figure from another war in mid 20th century history. Has to micro manage every small detail himself instead of trusting those with more experience and expertise in certain areas. Is still acting as if he is at some small time college.

It's easy to spend money when you have money to spend.
When you don't have the money to do everything you want to do you make priority decisions.
Right now various fans want to fire Pastner, keep Pastner, hire a big name BB coach, sign Fuente to a long-term contract, build a OCS, build our own BB arena, finish South campus and a long list of projects we can't pay for.

Call Bowen small time thinking but until donors think big time and we get in a conference that generates dollars Bowen is on a budget. If you manage a budget in whatever it is that you do you get that. My budget is around $25,000,000 and I get that. I've had cutbacks and layoffs three years in a row.

Three of your arguments are pure delusional. You must accept these three things. We are NOT going to build an OCS, We are NOT going to build our own BB arena and unless we get into a P5 conference we are NOT going to keep Fuente long term. We can have periods of success in football, but long term success is not going to happen here in today's system. As long as there is a two tier FBS system then the P5 will be able to raid any non P5 school anytime they see a successful coach. The ONLY sport a non P5 school can be competitive nationally long term is MBB. And as soon as the P5 get their total autonomy as they are seeking that will cease. To cut the budget of the only sport where long term success is possible is asinine.

Conflicting logic.

The ONLY thing that matters right now is getting in a P5 conference. What ever it takes to do that is what is to be done.

And it ain't basketball. Just like it ain't racquetball.

Meaningless bowl games have higher ratings than the NCAA tourney games

basketball

snicker

(03-28-2015 06:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Meaningless bowl games have higher ratings than the NCAA tourney games

basketball

snicker

Go on to your room. The adults are talking right now.

(03-28-2015 06:32 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 08:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not sure many folks understand how important Memphis Tigers Basketball is to the City of Memphis. You have to experience it to get it.

All the way to the Forum on game day, for example, people honk and wave when they see us passing in our Tiger caps. I can go into any regular store and immediately start talking Tiger BB. I once had a conversation with a woman at the Whole Food's checkout stand, whose friend dated Joey Dorsey and was disappointed..lol. In the Baptist hospital emergency room, people had the game on the radio in the waiting room.

What I'm saying is, I don't know any other city that shares this kind of transcendental bond. Memphis BB brings our community together, even if it's just to carp on the head coach. If we lose this connection between folks of all economic groups, races, genders, ages etc, we have lost something very valuable.

Let's not forget BB after we get to the Promised P5 land full of milk and money.

Yet you admit you've never been to the Liberty Bowl. I can assure you, the game-day tailgating experience is meeting and surpassing that of "waves as you pass fellow tiger fans on the way to the FEF".

lol. Admit? It ain't no crime to be a BB fan. I'll admit I've never watched wrestling either. When I fly in to Memphis, I stay for at least three games....and some Grizz.

Recently, though, I've been looking at FB from a strategy perspective. I have a tutor...who explains stuff to me.

I'm doing the best I can to be FB supporter...sent 5 kids to the Bowl Game in Miami--five being the amount needed to play BB. lol

(03-21-2015 10:35 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:41 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:35 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Keeping a Coach then, and keeping a coach now are different things. The number one strategic mistake any company/organization can make is to plan for "yesterday's war". The gap is coming, Memphis's key to closing that gap is football NOT basketball. We ignore the new reality, because of the way things have "always been done" at Memphis at our peril. A top notch basketball program is like having a Hotel on Baltic Avenue in Monopoly, it's nice, but doesn't affect the outcome of the game.

Exactly, short sighted is assuming what was good yesterday will good tomorrow... Football is what matters and is the key to getting into a P5 conference. It has been proven that basketball is not the answer, no matter how strong the program is. We had the best 4 year run our program will likely ever see and it was not enough.

A buddy of mine has been upset about the cutbacks to basketball. I've tried to explain to him that if we do not get football going, the university's sports program will have a much harder time competing in the new world order of college athletics. If football does not succeed, it will eventually hurt basketball and other sports.

Basketball is useless. Basketball is an aquarium of clown fish in animal kingdom of sports. Slap you friend in the mouth and tell him to schedule a tickle fight with caulking and wolking

That was a tad harsh.

You're right though, we have to get up to speed with football.

I went off the rails. Lol. Sorry folks

(03-29-2015 12:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:35 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 10:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-21-2015 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:41 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Exactly, short sighted is assuming what was good yesterday will good tomorrow... Football is what matters and is the key to getting into a P5 conference. It has been proven that basketball is not the answer, no matter how strong the program is. We had the best 4 year run our program will likely ever see and it was not enough.

A buddy of mine has been upset about the cutbacks to basketball. I've tried to explain to him that if we do not get football going, the university's sports program will have a much harder time competing in the new world order of college athletics. If football does not succeed, it will eventually hurt basketball and other sports.

Basketball is useless. Basketball is an aquarium of clown fish in animal kingdom of sports. Slap you friend in the mouth and tell him to schedule a tickle fight with caulking and wolking

That was a tad harsh.

You're right though, we have to get up to speed with football.

I went off the rails. Lol. Sorry folks

Aquarium of clown fish in the animal kingdom of sports...was colorful. Good imagery.

Anyone know what the start date on construction will be ?

(03-28-2015 02:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 06:19 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 09:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 03:04 PM)83msu Wrote:  That is incredibly short sighted. If we do not get in a P5..you can spend billions on FB but you won't be able to keep a coach. "Traditionally" BB has been he golden goose, so be careful what you wish for. I don't want one over the other to succeed. I want it all

(1) We weren't able to keep a basketball coach

(2) I want it all too. That's why I support Bowen's efforts to be fiscally responsible.

1) There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done at that time to keep Cal. His decision was already made up before the season was even over.

2) It is not being fiscally responsible it is operating with a small school mentality. Is acting like Johnson in Viet Nam and another figure from another war in mid 20th century history. Has to micro manage every small detail himself instead of trusting those with more experience and expertise in certain areas. Is still acting as if he is at some small time college.

It's easy to spend money when you have money to spend.
When you don't have the money to do everything you want to do you make priority decisions.
Right now various fans want to fire Pastner, keep Pastner, hire a big name BB coach, sign Fuente to a long-term contract, build a OCS, build our own BB arena, finish South campus and a long list of projects we can't pay for.

Call Bowen small time thinking but until donors think big time and we get in a conference that generates dollars Bowen is on a budget. If you manage a budget in whatever it is that you do you get that. My budget is around $25,000,000 and I get that. I've had cutbacks and layoffs three years in a row.

Three of your arguments are pure delusional. You must accept these three things. We are NOT going to build an OCS, We are NOT going to build our own BB arena and unless we get into a P5 conference we are NOT going to keep Fuente long term. We can have periods of success in football, but long term success is not going to happen here in today's system. As long as there is a two tier FBS system then the P5 will be able to raid any non P5 school anytime they see a successful coach. The ONLY sport a non P5 school can be competitive nationally long term is MBB. And as soon as the P5 get their total autonomy as they are seeking that will cease. To cut the budget of the only sport where long term success is possible is asinine.

Thank you for making my point. I said those are things various fans want. Most fans that post here have never had to deal with budget choices beyond their own personal budgets. Calling Bowen small time thinking because he made a few minor travel budget decisions in a tight budget is what's asinine. You can't do everything. Our donors can't even finish off the current campaign when one donor provides 25% of the total.

Your inference is support BB at the highest level and slight FB because we can't compete. That may be a legitimate choice but many here would call that small time thinking.

We entered into a conference that promised the pot at the end of the rainbow. Instead we got a near empty pot. We are building major projects, upgrading football and BB facilities, trying to make the status jump in FB while staying relevant in BB. I get making tough budget decisions while many fans only have a very narrow understanding of their own fantasy world.

An OCS would be great but doesn't make sense right now with what we can spend at the LB. A BB arena makes less sense but some want it. We have lots of salary upside to fight for Fuente. I don't pretend to be in his head to know what he's thinking about the future. I'm glad you think you are that expert that can keep us informed on his plans.