(03-16-2015 12:42 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wasn't this exact same thread posted earlier today. Same talking points and all?

VCU over Wichita State. While the passion of the Wichita fanbase and the school's on court accomplishments are impressive, VCU is pretty darn accomplished as well and is located in a metro area that is almost double in size (1.2 mm vs 637K).

ok.... what's their metro have to do with anything?

Television sets = TV Contract $$$

(03-16-2015 01:26 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  ACC already has a challenge and PAC 11 won't play us

Yeah....post lunch workout the brain takes a little break. AAC replaced ACC. And we have/will continue to propose some crazy ideas. Don't immediately poo-poo them...just because they seem a bit outlandish doesn't mean they won't grow legs if properly pursued. That is why the conference has a well compensated commissioner with a plan. If we added a VCU or Wichita, then you might get the PAC-12 to bite. Bet their upper echelon teams wouldn't mind getting a game for more visibility in the Dallas and Houston market for recruiting. Key is, thinking inside the box is nice for an established conference trying to tweak. We are a new conference trying to force big changes in a very hierarchical environment...have to be aggressive and proactive to do that.

Playing the MWC or A10 makes the most sense

(03-16-2015 01:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:42 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wasn't this exact same thread posted earlier today. Same talking points and all?

VCU over Wichita State. While the passion of the Wichita fanbase and the school's on court accomplishments are impressive, VCU is pretty darn accomplished as well and is located in a metro area that is almost double in size (1.2 mm vs 637K).

ok.... what's their metro have to do with anything?

Television sets = TV Contract $$$

I don;t see why VCU would leave the A10. Sure money is a little better and exposure is a lot better but the A10 is far more stable and VCU doesn't want to get in a position where they have to beg their way back in if the AAC falls apart.

WSU on the other hand might see enough reward to take on the risk. I would add them.

(03-16-2015 01:39 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Playing the MWC or A10 makes the most sense

The P5 won't agree. nBE might agree but doubtful. MWC or A10 are probably the only options.

Actually, the more I think of it, we really should add Wichita State, VCU, AND at least three others from the A-10 to get to 16 ACC Olympic sports teams (so, we need to add five schools total as Navy doesn't have basketball in the AAC).

Add:
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton
George Washington
UMass (Olympic sports only member - no football)


We pick up some good hoops schools and, as part of the process, essentially kill off the A-10 (which opens more NCAA Tourney bids for us since the A-10 would clearly be weaker and would get fewer bids)

(03-16-2015 01:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:42 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wasn't this exact same thread posted earlier today. Same talking points and all?

VCU over Wichita State. While the passion of the Wichita fanbase and the school's on court accomplishments are impressive, VCU is pretty darn accomplished as well and is located in a metro area that is almost double in size (1.2 mm vs 637K).

ok.... what's their metro have to do with anything?

Television sets = TV Contract $$$

No. See our current contract.

(03-16-2015 01:51 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Actually, the more I think of it, we really should add Wichita State, VCU, AND at least three others from the A-10 to get to 16 ACC Olympic sports teams (so, we need to add five schools total as Navy doesn't have basketball in the AAC).

Add:
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton
George Washington
UMass (Olympic sports only member - no football)


We pick up some good hoops schools and, as part of the process, essentially kill off the A-10 (which opens more NCAA Tourney bids for us since the A-10 would clearly be weaker and would get fewer bids)

We would have to wait until we get to the end of the current contract. Adding one is possible but that's all.

(03-16-2015 01:51 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Actually, the more I think of it, we really should add Wichita State, VCU, AND at least three others from the A-10 to get to 16 ACC Olympic sports teams (so, we need to add five schools total as Navy doesn't have basketball in the AAC).

Add:
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton
George Washington
UMass (Olympic sports only member - no football) Davidson


We pick up some good hoops schools and, as part of the process, essentially kill off the A-10 (which opens more NCAA Tourney bids for us since the A-10 would clearly be weaker and would get fewer bids)

I like this idea but I wouldn't touch UMass. They might want in as a full member one day. Instead I think Davidson is better. That gets us into the Charlotte market and gives ECU an Olympic sports travel partner.

(03-16-2015 02:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 01:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:42 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 12:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wasn't this exact same thread posted earlier today. Same talking points and all?

VCU over Wichita State. While the passion of the Wichita fanbase and the school's on court accomplishments are impressive, VCU is pretty darn accomplished as well and is located in a metro area that is almost double in size (1.2 mm vs 637K).

ok.... what's their metro have to do with anything?

Television sets = TV Contract $$$

No. See our current contract.

Yes, see our contract.

P5>G5
large market>small markets.

Basically G5 contracts suck. That said, offering markets has seemed to result in the largest G5 contracts. Regardless---I would want VCU even if they were not in a large market. The fact that they are is just gravy.

Add:
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton

All three have large passionate fan bases which we need more of in the American. A lot of our teams have a small following and do not travel well. These three teams would travel to the American basketball tournament and give us three more teams for the NCAA. Wichita State, Dayton, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane within all driving distance of Memphis for an American Tournament. Plus whatever fans come from UConn, Temple, VCU, East Carolina, UCF, and South Florida. That makes a great crowd for the tournament.

You could also have the tournament in Richmond, VA or Greensboro, NC and crowds from UConn, East Carolina, VCU, Temple, Cincinnati, and Memphis could all attend event. Greensboro's arena can be shrunk down to 10,000 if need be and with the ACC leaving people in North Carolina will be craving to host an event and would get really good local media coverage. Here it is with upper deck covered up. Approximately 12,000



Also the Richmond Coliseum only holds 11,000 but looks good on tv and VCU would have a great crowd plus EC, Temple, and UConn fans.

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I just don't think we could raid the A10...

WSU would jump in a second, and Wichita isn't a small city.

Wichita State also has the Koch Brothers backing them

(03-16-2015 02:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I just don't think we could raid the A10...

WSU would jump in a second, and Wichita isn't a small city.

I think we could if we added Wichita first and went after two A-10 members. Say, allow VCU to select their partner. At best the A-10 Is equal to the current AAC. Adding Wichita shifts the balance. Adding VCU and say Dayton, would put those two teams in a MUCH better conference situation than they are now. That AAC would be deeper, with more exposure, than the current A-10. It would also be WAAAAY deeper than the remains of the A-10 VCU left behind (thus knocking off a rival). It also positions the AAC well for the future renegotiation with ESPN that Aeesco forsees in the next couple of years.

Hell, we have nothing to lose by trying. At the very least---add Wichita to balance Navy. That right there is an improvement in the league.

(03-16-2015 03:04 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wichita State also has the Koch Brothers backing them

They advertised heavily for SMU basketball which I thought was odd. No specific business of theirs just them.

why add these teams now?!?!?! If we wanted nonfb we should have stayed and worked it out with Gtown, Nova, Etc

(03-16-2015 03:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 02:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I just don't think we could raid the A10...

WSU would jump in a second, and Wichita isn't a small city.

I think we could if we added Wichita first and added 2 A-10 members. Say, allow VCU to select their partner. At best the A-10 Is equal to the current AAC. Adding Wichita shifts the balance. Adding VCU and say Dayton, would put those two teams in a MUCH better conference situation than they are now. That AAC would be deeper, with more exposure, than the current A-10. It was also be WAAAAY deeper then the remains of the A-10 (thus knocking off a rival).

a group of non-football members is dangerous...one is not.

WSU, and no one else.

(03-16-2015 03:08 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  why add these teams now?!?!?! If we wanted nonfb we should have stayed and worked it out with Gtown, Nova, Etc

we wanted to...it takes two to tango.

(03-16-2015 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 03:08 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  why add these teams now?!?!?! If we wanted nonfb we should have stayed and worked it out with Gtown, Nova, Etc

we wanted to...it takes two to tango.

Exactly. They were sick of dealing with football driven realignment.

(03-16-2015 03:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 03:08 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  why add these teams now?!?!?! If we wanted nonfb we should have stayed and worked it out with Gtown, Nova, Etc

we wanted to...it takes two to tango.

Exactly. They were sick of dealing with football driven realignment.

This thread is a case in point.