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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:37 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:28 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:13 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: The bolded part of your post is the issue. This isn't football so La Tech's OOC schedule success is not predicated on match ups against cartel schools.
ODU's non-con SOS was 41 (and only 1 cartel school LSU)
UTEP's non-con SOS was 37
La Tech's non-con SOS was 226
It's not the games against Temple, Syracuse or NC State that are the problem. But I absolutely believe that ANY CUSA school could sign home & home games with Colorado St., Buffalo, Davidson, Stephen F Austin, Boise St., Wofford, Valparaiso, Iona, Green Bay, Georgia St., Richmond, Yale, Murray St., Rhode Island, Illinois St., Wyoming, UC Davis, Eastern Washington, Central Michigan, Toledo, UMASS, Sam Houston St., Northeastern, High Point, UC Santa Barbara, UC Irvine, Kent State, South Dakota St., William and Mary, La Salle & North Dakota St.
That's 32 teams in the RPI top 100 and I bet prior to the season at least half those teams were expected to be successful. And everyone of those teams would have benefited from playing La Tech this year win or lose.
Your belief is wrong according to the AD and Mike White. Considering have much we have won at home the last 3 years, those teams don't want to schedule a lost.
Remember we didn't go 5-25 and 18-18 the last couple years but 27-7 and 29-8
Exactly the reason you should have had no trouble scheduling quality opponents. La Tech has been good recently and was expected to be good again. You should demand better from your AD and Coach. Anything else is a total cop out. I said the exact same thing to USM fans last year.
You really believe a MAC team wouldn't have agreed to a home and home? Seriously look at that list. You think High Point wouldn't have returned your call?
Yes because they said they called literally everyone. Why would they lie and not try schedule strong especially at home where Tech would win. That's a side effect of being a consistent winner.
Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
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How many tournament appearances did you get out of that?
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 01:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: I call bull**** on them then. There is no way they called every team on that list and every one said no way. Any CUSA team would take a home and home with Wichita state, gonzaga, or vcu. Why? Because they are consistently good teams. Same logic for these teams playing la tech.
Do you think those teams want to schedule a potential lost? Those teams that are teetring on the edge of being in the national conversation know how dangerous Tech is at home. They are not going to schedule a home and home with Tech
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:37 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:28 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Your belief is wrong according to the AD and Mike White. Considering have much we have won at home the last 3 years, those teams don't want to schedule a lost.
Remember we didn't go 5-25 and 18-18 the last couple years but 27-7 and 29-8
Exactly the reason you should have had no trouble scheduling quality opponents. La Tech has been good recently and was expected to be good again. You should demand better from your AD and Coach. Anything else is a total cop out. I said the exact same thing to USM fans last year.
You really believe a MAC team wouldn't have agreed to a home and home? Seriously look at that list. You think High Point wouldn't have returned your call?
Yes because they said they called literally everyone. Why would they lie and not try schedule strong especially at home where Tech would win. That's a side effect of being a consistent winner.
Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:15 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: I call bull**** on them then. There is no way they called every team on that list and every one said no way. Any CUSA team would take a home and home with Wichita state, gonzaga, or vcu. Why? Because they are consistently good teams. Same logic for these teams playing la tech.
Do you think those teams want to schedule a potential lost? Those teams that are teetring on the edge of being in the national conversation know how dangerous Tech is at home. They are not going to schedule a home and home with Tech
Again, you are showing your complete lack of understanding the NCAA tournament selection process. A loss to La Tech for a school like Stephen F Austin or Murray State doesn't hurt their resume it helps especially if said loss was on the road @ La Tech.
But keep grasping, it is what your AD is doing selling you garbage about "calling everybody".
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:37 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Exactly the reason you should have had no trouble scheduling quality opponents. La Tech has been good recently and was expected to be good again. You should demand better from your AD and Coach. Anything else is a total cop out. I said the exact same thing to USM fans last year.
You really believe a MAC team wouldn't have agreed to a home and home? Seriously look at that list. You think High Point wouldn't have returned your call?
Yes because they said they called literally everyone. Why would they lie and not try schedule strong especially at home where Tech would win. That's a side effect of being a consistent winner.
Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:10 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: How many tournament appearances did you get out of that?
Just the best record in Conference USA home and away games throughout the seasons so you be the judge.
No need to re-hash this, but If CUSA had normal tournament that awarded the number 1 seed like the majority of other conferences, I think it would have been a different outcome.
Last two years the #1 seed as gotten the worst time slot and location this year, that is fact. Name another conference that awards the #1 seed with the worst time slot and less rest?
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If what this guy is saying is true - and I have my doubts - then LA Tech can't get decent out of conference teams to come to their place to play since they apparently can't be beaten there. The problem with that argument is that it therefore would have to mean that none of the out of conference teams LA Tech had defeated there were very good. That would seem to negate the theory that they are such a strong team at home since outside of winning against their appointed 8 or 9 conference games, they faced weak competition at home. Granted, they won who they played, but it is hard to make a convincing argument if you turn around and then state that good teams aren't playing you there. If you are mainly defeating 200+ RPI teams at home then I doubt that the stronger teams are going to shy away from giving you a try.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Yes because they said they called literally everyone. Why would they lie and not try schedule strong especially at home where Tech would win. That's a side effect of being a consistent winner.
Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
It's like finishing 8-8 or 9-7 in the NFL for three years and never making the playoffs.
A La Tech fan should ask their AD about the 32 teams I listed previously. There's no way they called all those teams about games. And again, many of those teams were absolutely known quantities this year.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Yes because they said they called literally everyone. Why would they lie and not try schedule strong especially at home where Tech would win. That's a side effect of being a consistent winner.
Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
True we should have beat NC State up by 19 and lost to Syracuse by 2 but we have also beaten Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida State and Texas A&M on the road. Plus Tech has had the best conference road record. Not mediocre but I would just call us the best road and home team in CUSA and the facts support that statement
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(04-01-2015 02:30 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
It's like finishing 8-8 or 9-7 in the NFL for three years and never making the playoffs.
A La Tech fan should ask their AD about the 32 teams I listed previously. There's no way they called all those teams about games. And again, many of those teams were absolutely known quantities this year.
[b]More like 15-3 wining the conference by 2 games. Tech has had the best home and road record in the conference.
Sure Tech has missed some opportunities for wins on the road but so has all other CUSA teams. But Tech has proven to be the best road team in the CUSA this year.
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(04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:51 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Yes because they said they called literally everyone. Why would they lie and not try schedule strong especially at home where Tech would win. That's a side effect of being a consistent winner.
Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
We beat OU
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(04-01-2015 02:15 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: I call bull**** on them then. There is no way they called every team on that list and every one said no way. Any CUSA team would take a home and home with Wichita state, gonzaga, or vcu. Why? Because they are consistently good teams. Same logic for these teams playing la tech.
Do you think those teams want to schedule a potential lost? Those teams that are teetring on the edge of being in the national conversation know how dangerous Tech is at home. They are not going to schedule a home and home with Tech
Yes, they do. Vcu played at ODU this year. They also played at Illinois state and Cincy.
Wichita state played at Utah and Detroit this year, and Memphis on a neutral court.
Gonzaga played at UCLA, at St. John's, and at arizona(not like the rest, I know)
Also, I'm not quite sure about this one seed time slot bull****. You played the late game both days. These are college aged athletes, that's plenty of time to rest.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 02:30 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:56 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Sure they did. The side effect of being a consistent winner is being able to schedule more games against better teams because a loss doesn't hurt it helps. Keep accepting excuses from your AD for your mediocrity.
Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
It's like finishing 8-8 or 9-7 in the NFL for three years and never making the playoffs.
A La Tech fan should ask their AD about the 32 teams I listed previously. There's no way they called all those teams about games. And again, many of those teams were absolutely known quantities this year.
Unless Michael White is lying to us....I believe he is doing everything he can to get the best schedule he can. I remember him being frustrated with the schedule this past year. I remember him specifically talking about where he had to schedule a DII game around Christmas. He couldn't find any DI teams to fill that date. Maybe he's lying, but I don't think he is.
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Re: RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 03:18 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:30 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Mediocrity, lol remember Tech has had the best record and won CUSA the last two years and the WAC the year before that. So mediocrity is not in Mike White's vocabulary
Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
It's like finishing 8-8 or 9-7 in the NFL for three years and never making the playoffs.
A La Tech fan should ask their AD about the 32 teams I listed previously. There's no way they called all those teams about games. And again, many of those teams were absolutely known quantities this year.
Unless Michael White is lying to us....I believe he is doing everything he can to get the best schedule he can. I remember him being frustrated with the schedule this past year. I remember him specifically talking about where he had to schedule a DII game around Christmas. He couldn't find any DI teams to fill that date. Maybe he's lying, but I don't think he is.
Last year, USM fans said the exact same thing.
But every year there is a list of 25+ mid majors in the top 100 and many are not there by accident or a surprise. If you honestly believe your AD/coach couldn't get a deal done with Central Michigan and that not being able to secure that kind of scheduling arrangement is okay then your fan base has wildly different expectations than ODU, UAB and the other CUSA schools who want this conference to regularly place multiple teams in the NCAA tourney, not the NIT.
I know other considerations are involved and I don't know what LA Tech spends on basketball so maybe your Coach is doing everything in his power based on the budgetary constraints he has to operate within.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 03:37 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 03:18 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:30 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: Sure it is. It's spelled N-I-T.
It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
It's like finishing 8-8 or 9-7 in the NFL for three years and never making the playoffs.
A La Tech fan should ask their AD about the 32 teams I listed previously. There's no way they called all those teams about games. And again, many of those teams were absolutely known quantities this year.
Unless Michael White is lying to us....I believe he is doing everything he can to get the best schedule he can. I remember him being frustrated with the schedule this past year. I remember him specifically talking about where he had to schedule a DII game around Christmas. He couldn't find any DI teams to fill that date. Maybe he's lying, but I don't think he is.
Last year, USM fans said the exact same thing.
But every year there is a list of 25+ mid majors in the top 100 and many are not there by accident or a surprise. If you honestly believe your AD/coach couldn't get a deal done with Central Michigan and that not being able to secure that kind of scheduling arrangement is okay then your fan base has wildly different expectations than ODU, UAB and the other CUSA schools who want this conference to regularly place multiple teams in the NCAA tourney, not the NIT.
I know other considerations are involved and I don't know what LA Tech spends on basketball so maybe your Coach is doing everything in his power based on the budgetary constraints he has to operate within.
In terms of getting those type of teams for games in Hattiesburg or Ruston, I think geography may play into the equation as well. These 2 small cities are not the easiest places to get to. There are not any major airports near either city.
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There are plenty of factors to consider but the bottom line is the preseason #1 team in CUSA shouldn't have a non con sos in the 200s.
The conference should expect better.
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(04-01-2015 03:11 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:15 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: (04-01-2015 01:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: I call bull**** on them then. There is no way they called every team on that list and every one said no way. Any CUSA team would take a home and home with Wichita state, gonzaga, or vcu. Why? Because they are consistently good teams. Same logic for these teams playing la tech.
Do you think those teams want to schedule a potential lost? Those teams that are teetring on the edge of being in the national conversation know how dangerous Tech is at home. They are not going to schedule a home and home with Tech
Yes, they do. Vcu played at ODU this year. They also played at Illinois state and Cincy.
Wichita state played at Utah and Detroit this year, and Memphis on a neutral court.
Gonzaga played at UCLA, at St. John's, and at arizona(not like the rest, I know)
Also, I'm not quite sure about this one seed time slot bull****. You played the late game both days. These are college aged athletes, that's plenty of time to rest.
ODU bad example, awful past two seasons; ILLinois State 18-16 9-9 in missouri valley last year, Detroit, not good
The rest Arizona, Utah, UCLA, ST. Johns, Cincy, Memphis are big-time basketball programs and nowhere close to Louisiana Tech in terms of basketball perception so terrible examples.
Do you think Gongzaga or Wichita would rather lose to UCLA and Arizona or Louisiana Tech? That weighs heavily into the minds of coaches when scheduling, Hell Texas A&M fans wanted to fire their coach because he got blew-out by a "nobody school" at their home court in College Station. They were already talking about their match-up with Temple and hard Temple was going to be, Why because of perception.
A non-P5 school that is really good at home is a dangerous team for these schools and coaches and AD don't want the pressure of likely loss to a "lowly school"
As far the time slots, there ain't no BS to it buddy. Tech as 1 seed got 8.5 less rest than the #2 seed and played the late game last year and had to turn around and play the next morning. There isn't any other conference that schedules the #1 seed that way and there are countless examples I gave in another thread
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(04-01-2015 05:10 PM)Eagleholic Wrote: (04-01-2015 03:37 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 03:18 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:30 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: (04-01-2015 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote: It's pretty simple. La Tech has trouble beating quality opponents outside of the TAC. They've had plenty of opportunities lately (Syracuse, NC State, Oklahoma). I wouldn't call them mediocre though. They just haven't seized opportunities.
It's like finishing 8-8 or 9-7 in the NFL for three years and never making the playoffs.
A La Tech fan should ask their AD about the 32 teams I listed previously. There's no way they called all those teams about games. And again, many of those teams were absolutely known quantities this year.
Unless Michael White is lying to us....I believe he is doing everything he can to get the best schedule he can. I remember him being frustrated with the schedule this past year. I remember him specifically talking about where he had to schedule a DII game around Christmas. He couldn't find any DI teams to fill that date. Maybe he's lying, but I don't think he is.
Last year, USM fans said the exact same thing.
But every year there is a list of 25+ mid majors in the top 100 and many are not there by accident or a surprise. If you honestly believe your AD/coach couldn't get a deal done with Central Michigan and that not being able to secure that kind of scheduling arrangement is okay then your fan base has wildly different expectations than ODU, UAB and the other CUSA schools who want this conference to regularly place multiple teams in the NCAA tourney, not the NIT.
I know other considerations are involved and I don't know what LA Tech spends on basketball so maybe your Coach is doing everything in his power based on the budgetary constraints he has to operate within.
In terms of getting those type of teams for games in Hattiesburg or Ruston, I think geography may play into the equation as well. These 2 small cities are not the easiest places to get to. There are not any major airports near either city.
That too but most of all perception and how dangerous Tech and Southern Miss are and were.
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RE: Way Too Early 2015-16 Basketball Thread
(04-01-2015 06:06 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote: There are plenty of factors to consider but the bottom line is the preseason #1 team in CUSA shouldn't have a non con sos in the 200s.
The conference should expect better.
Comeback in three years when ODU repeats as CUSA Champs and wins 28+ plus games for three straight years and we will have this conversation.
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