(03-29-2015 04:52 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 11:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Well, it looks from the outside that Liberty is trying to be less "paper mill U" like a Devry or U of Phoenix, and more of a brick and motar like a Grand Canyon is doing.

Yes....except you have it reversed. GCU is trying to do what Liberty is doing.

Grand Canyon has 10,000+ on campus
Liberty has nearly 14,000 on campus

Grand Canyon has 58,000+ online students
Liberty has 90,000+ online students

Grand Canyon is a for profit university
Liberty is a non profit

Grand Canyon does not have football
Liberty has football

Grand Canyon has a 7,000 seat basketball arena
Liberty has a 10,000 seat basketball arena

Liberty has a 7,000 acre campus
Grand Canyon has a 100 acre campus


In terms of "brick and mortar" .... We're more brick and more mortar.


You can see current construction pictures here - http://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/index.cfm?PID=28638

This is a view of the new softball field and about half of the campus.

I didn't know Liberty was a non profit school. That's good for you guys. I don't know why you aren't getting the call up then. I've read articles about the amount of $ liberty is willing to put up for an FBS program and the size of the stadium etc.--seems like a school with great football potential. Yes, I'm aware of jerry Falwell starting up Liberty before anyone goes there. BYU is very ....well similar in certain ways and they have a tremendous program

(03-29-2015 05:00 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 01:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 11:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Well, it looks from the outside that Liberty is trying to be less "paper mill U" like a Devry or U of Phoenix, and more of a brick and motar like a Grand Canyon is doing. They have the $ to spend on their football program. I'm willing to bet they'd pour more into football than any other school from the SB, MAC, CUSA and a few even from the AAC and MWC. I think they'd be a great add for the SB. An opinion from someone with no dog in the hunt.

ECU is welcome to sponsor Liberty for inclusion into the AAC.

I didn't mean to insult anyone...I guess I did. A majority of AAC schools don't want ECU in the conference with them. Just like it was with the original CUSA in 1996, just like it was with the Big East snubbing from 1991 until it's last year. I know what it feels like to be a fan of a school no one wants. Just like the AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in.

There has been talk of the Big 12 maybe taking 2 AAC teams. I don't know why, Boise & Colorado State are available, and would be a lot better fit. The AAC is too good for the Big 12. They could go to the NFL at anytime as a new division. And Liberty, the CUSA AD said they would be a good addition to any conference, great, let CUSA take them.

Great post. The AAC should be an NFL division with several NFL teams in it the conference already:
Houston Cougars
Cincinnati Bearcats
New Orleans Green Wavers
Tampa Bay Bulls
Dallas Mustangs
Philadelphia Temples
the NBA should look at the AAC as well:
Memphis
Orlando Magic Knights
Houston
Dallas
New Orleans
Philly 76 Temple--(great car too)
And the WNBA should look at the AAC as they are represented by about everyone even Connecticut and Tulsa.
I feel like my team is the only one not represented by the NFL, NBA and WNBA

(03-29-2015 05:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:40 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I didn't mean to insult anyone...I guess I did. A majority of AAC schools don't want ECU in the conference with them. Just like it was with the original CUSA in 1996, just like it was with the Big East snubbing from 1991 until it's last year. I know what it feels like to be a fan of a school no one wants. Just like the AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in.

No, they wouldn't.

They have nowhere to go.

It's the same as some posters on here saying their school would leave if Liberty was invited. Where would they go? The only option any AAC university has to move would be to CUSA or the Sun Belt, and I doubt any would do that.

So the statement of "X school would leave if Y happened" is absurd. Fans may WANT to leave the conference because of Y happening, but hell... many fans want to leave the conference they are in because they think Z is better.

Strong feelings about not wanting a school in your conference goes both ways. I'm sure you know any SB school wanting to "move up" would get the same scorn by the AAC snob fans.....You may NOT WANT liberty in your conference but it's not up to you and me. I'd say Liberty has a better shot at getting in the SB as any SB school does at getting into the AAC. Just my opinion, but I'd go a step further and say Liberty gets an AAC invite before any SB school gets an AAC invite. Just my opinion on a a board for expressing opinions.

I don't want to limit your opinions. I am stating a fact. You said " AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in."

That statement is false.

And your opinion that says Liberty gets an AAC invite before any Sun Belt school is based on nothing but you trying to "jab" at the Sun Belt (or me in particular). It is absolutely baseless and laughable, but it is your opinion.

(03-29-2015 06:34 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 05:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:40 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I didn't mean to insult anyone...I guess I did. A majority of AAC schools don't want ECU in the conference with them. Just like it was with the original CUSA in 1996, just like it was with the Big East snubbing from 1991 until it's last year. I know what it feels like to be a fan of a school no one wants. Just like the AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in.

No, they wouldn't.

They have nowhere to go.

It's the same as some posters on here saying their school would leave if Liberty was invited. Where would they go? The only option any AAC university has to move would be to CUSA or the Sun Belt, and I doubt any would do that.

So the statement of "X school would leave if Y happened" is absurd. Fans may WANT to leave the conference because of Y happening, but hell... many fans want to leave the conference they are in because they think Z is better.

Strong feelings about not wanting a school in your conference goes both ways. I'm sure you know any SB school wanting to "move up" would get the same scorn by the AAC snob fans.....You may NOT WANT liberty in your conference but it's not up to you and me. I'd say Liberty has a better shot at getting in the SB as any SB school does at getting into the AAC. Just my opinion, but I'd go a step further and say Liberty gets an AAC invite before any SB school gets an AAC invite. Just my opinion on a a board for expressing opinions.

I don't want to limit your opinions. I am stating a fact. You said " AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in."

That statement is false.

And your opinion that says Liberty gets an AAC invite before any Sun Belt school is based on nothing but you trying to "jab" at the Sun Belt (or me in particular). It is absolutely baseless and laughable, but it is your opinion.

I would debate that it is baseless except in one area and that is cultural fit. This is an area the SBC seems to be passionate about with public schools with equal resources and so forth. The AAC has several private schools and SMU doesn't seem to be an issue for the conference. (Yes...I realize SMU is not Liberty...but they do have a School of Theology on campus).

(03-29-2015 05:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:40 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I didn't mean to insult anyone...I guess I did. A majority of AAC schools don't want ECU in the conference with them. Just like it was with the original CUSA in 1996, just like it was with the Big East snubbing from 1991 until it's last year. I know what it feels like to be a fan of a school no one wants. Just like the AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in.

No, they wouldn't.

They have nowhere to go.

It's the same as some posters on here saying their school would leave if Liberty was invited. Where would they go? The only option any AAC university has to move would be to CUSA or the Sun Belt, and I doubt any would do that.

So the statement of "X school would leave if Y happened" is absurd. Fans may WANT to leave the conference because of Y happening, but hell... many fans want to leave the conference they are in because they think Z is better.

Strong feelings about not wanting a school in your conference goes both ways. I'm sure you know any SB school wanting to "move up" would get the same scorn by the AAC snob fans.....You may NOT WANT liberty in your conference but it's not up to you and me. I'd say Liberty has a better shot at getting in the SB as any SB school does at getting into the AAC. Just my opinion, but I'd go a step further and say Liberty gets an AAC invite before any SB school gets an AAC invite. Just my opinion on a a board for expressing opinions.

You are welcome to your opinion. I suppose you would think that Uconn and Temple are going to support Liberty's inclusion? How about a school that has a large Jewish population (Tulane)? How do you think they're going to view Liberty's policies. I s ee those as 3 in the "Hell no" camp. How about asking the President of Tulsa to go to Presidents meetings where JFJ is a peer?

Liberty doesn't go somewhere unless someone else has absolutely no other choice.

(03-29-2015 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You are welcome to your opinion. I suppose you would think that Uconn and Temple are going to support Liberty's inclusion? How about a school that has a large Jewish population (Tulane)? How do you think they're going to view Liberty's policies. I s ee those as 3 in the "Hell no" camp. How about asking the President of Tulsa to go to Presidents meetings where JFJ is a peer?

Liberty doesn't go somewhere unless someone else has absolutely no other choice.

Tom you really need to learn more about LU...and not what you hear from leftist pundits or ringwingwatch.org. I cannot think of a more pro Israel school than Liberty.

Read and educate yourself, Tom - http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PI...MID=111528

"“Liberty University strongly opposes these boycotts,” said Liberty President Jerry Falwell, Jr. “Since its founding in 1971, Liberty University has supported Israel. Scores of Liberty students and faculty have visited Israel and collaborated with Israeli academic institutions. We consider these boycotts as nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to delegitimize the state of Israel and to pressure Israel to capitulate to America’s enemies in the Middle East.”"

"The Stand with Israel student organization has been recognized by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee as the most active club in the country."

The only people we KNOW are happy with their conference alignment are in Big 10, SEC, Pac-12, Texas, and maybe the ACC.

Any time someone says "yeah well everyone would jump if they had the chance", is dropping breaking news about the moon landing.

ACC lost a charter member to the Big 10. Big XII has been raided by the SEC, Big 10, and Pac-12.

Mountain West is a stable as you could hope for out of a G5 league. They went to 9 in 2005 and seven years later lost a third of their membership.

My opinion FWIW, the three most unstable leagues today are: Big XII, CUSA, Sun Belt.

Big XII by multiple accounts wanted to add two and get to 12, agreed on Louisville but could never agree on #12. The league is only alive because ESPN and Fox bribed Texas to stay in rather than go to Pac-12 where a large part of the content is controlled by the Pac-12 network which (unlike Big Ten, SEC or LHN) is wholly owned by the Pac-12 rather than in partnership with ESPN or Fox.

CUSA based on public comments looks to be locked in an east-west split on how deal with UAB.

Sun Belt is clearly locked in an east-west split on expansion.

If a league is dysfunctional (WAC16) you can't count on anything.

(03-29-2015 06:34 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 05:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:40 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 02:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I didn't mean to insult anyone...I guess I did. A majority of AAC schools don't want ECU in the conference with them. Just like it was with the original CUSA in 1996, just like it was with the Big East snubbing from 1991 until it's last year. I know what it feels like to be a fan of a school no one wants. Just like the AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in.

No, they wouldn't.

They have nowhere to go.

It's the same as some posters on here saying their school would leave if Liberty was invited. Where would they go? The only option any AAC university has to move would be to CUSA or the Sun Belt, and I doubt any would do that.

So the statement of "X school would leave if Y happened" is absurd. Fans may WANT to leave the conference because of Y happening, but hell... many fans want to leave the conference they are in because they think Z is better.

Strong feelings about not wanting a school in your conference goes both ways. I'm sure you know any SB school wanting to "move up" would get the same scorn by the AAC snob fans.....You may NOT WANT liberty in your conference but it's not up to you and me. I'd say Liberty has a better shot at getting in the SB as any SB school does at getting into the AAC. Just my opinion, but I'd go a step further and say Liberty gets an AAC invite before any SB school gets an AAC invite. Just my opinion on a a board for expressing opinions.

I don't want to limit your opinions. I am stating a fact. You said " AAC schools would leave the conference before allowing any one of the current SB schools in."

That statement is false.

And your opinion that says Liberty gets an AAC invite before any Sun Belt school is based on nothing but you trying to "jab" at the Sun Belt (or me in particular). It is absolutely baseless and laughable, but it is your opinion.

If a school is that objectionable they aren't going to get a 3/4ths vote so the whole "we will leave discussion is pointless".

(03-29-2015 07:21 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You are welcome to your opinion. I suppose you would think that Uconn and Temple are going to support Liberty's inclusion? How about a school that has a large Jewish population (Tulane)? How do you think they're going to view Liberty's policies. I s ee those as 3 in the "Hell no" camp. How about asking the President of Tulsa to go to Presidents meetings where JFJ is a peer?

Liberty doesn't go somewhere unless someone else has absolutely no other choice.

Tom you really need to learn more about LU...and not what you hear from leftist pundits or ringwingwatch.org. I cannot think of a more pro Israel school than Liberty.

Read and educate yourself, Tom - http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PI...MID=111528

"“Liberty University strongly opposes these boycotts,” said Liberty President Jerry Falwell, Jr. “Since its founding in 1971, Liberty University has supported Israel. Scores of Liberty students and faculty have visited Israel and collaborated with Israeli academic institutions. We consider these boycotts as nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to delegitimize the state of Israel and to pressure Israel to capitulate to America’s enemies in the Middle East.”"

"The Stand with Israel student organization has been recognized by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee as the most active club in the country."

No Jews need apply for jobs at LU. Supporting AIPAC over J-Street isn't going to do much to move that one way or another.

It is a fundamentalist christian university, not a liberal Roman Catholic or protestant Duke like one. I am no fan of Falwell, and Liberty, but why would they want faculty who are 180 degrees away from their core belief. Their mission is bringing a fundamentalist christian view in all their subjects, not just the theology. No self respecting Jew sees Jesus as the messiah especially the atheist Jew. That view will be brought to the class in subliminal ways.

(03-30-2015 07:30 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  It is a fundamentalist christian university, not a liberal Roman Catholic or protestant Duke like one. I am no fan of Falwell, and Liberty, but why would they want faculty who are 180 degrees away from their core belief. Their mission is bringing a fundamentalist christian view in all their subjects, not just the theology. No self respecting Jew sees Jesus as the messiah especially the atheist Jew. That view will be brought to the class in subliminal ways.

We're on real touchy ground here. Let's direct the conversation back to sports and teams seeking football membership. If we pursue this dialogue we'll likely end up in a dark hole well away from Liberty being discussed by an AD as an expansion candidate. Personal religious beliefs are best that. Personal.

If one disagrees and does not support Liberty then let's make points without the reference of Jews, Jesus, Messiah and more. If one wants to support or agree with Liberty, let's use points not to inflame or take us away from theIr assets. Common sense is that every school will want to have faculty, staff, coaches and students that have a minimum of commonality.

(03-30-2015 07:47 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:30 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  It is a fundamentalist christian university, not a liberal Roman Catholic or protestant Duke like one. I am no fan of Falwell, and Liberty, but why would they want faculty who are 180 degrees away from their core belief. Their mission is bringing a fundamentalist christian view in all their subjects, not just the theology. No self respecting Jew sees Jesus as the messiah especially the atheist Jew. That view will be brought to the class in subliminal ways.

We're on real touchy ground here. Let's direct the conversation back to sports and teams seeking football membership. If we pursue this dialogue we'll likely end up in a dark hole well away from Liberty being discussed by an AD as an expansion candidate. Personal religious beliefs are best that. Personal.

If one disagrees and does not support Liberty then let's make points without the reference of Jews, Jesus, Messiah and more. If one wants to support or agree with Liberty, let's use points not to inflame or take us away from theIr assets. Common sense is that every school will want to have faculty, staff, coaches and students that have a minimum of commonality.

So you believe that schools should have faculty, staff, coaches, and students with commonality. . . . You must then, by extension, believe that Conferences want members with commonality . . . And therein lies Liberty's problem, What conference would you have anything in common with? It's certainly NOT the Sun Belt . . . .

This repeated point of how we wouldn't be like other schools in the conference is bizarre. Name another league where everyone has a similar makeup? The MAC and the Ivies are the only groups I can think of with little to no diversity outside of the Belt. This obsession from some on here about every school being of the same core DNA is a bit bizarre.

(03-30-2015 08:03 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:47 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:30 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  It is a fundamentalist christian university, not a liberal Roman Catholic or protestant Duke like one. I am no fan of Falwell, and Liberty, but why would they want faculty who are 180 degrees away from their core belief. Their mission is bringing a fundamentalist christian view in all their subjects, not just the theology. No self respecting Jew sees Jesus as the messiah especially the atheist Jew. That view will be brought to the class in subliminal ways.

We're on real touchy ground here. Let's direct the conversation back to sports and teams seeking football membership. If we pursue this dialogue we'll likely end up in a dark hole well away from Liberty being discussed by an AD as an expansion candidate. Personal religious beliefs are best that. Personal.

If one disagrees and does not support Liberty then let's make points without the reference of Jews, Jesus, Messiah and more. If one wants to support or agree with Liberty, let's use points not to inflame or take us away from theIr assets. Common sense is that every school will want to have faculty, staff, coaches and students that have a minimum of commonality.

So you believe that schools should have faculty, staff, coaches, and students with commonality. . . . You must then, by extension, believe that Conferences want members with commonality . . . And therein lies Liberty's problem, What conference would you have anything in common with? It's certainly NOT the Sun Belt . . . .

you are quite sensitive bobcat78 to those who disagree with you. 'you don't want my opinion"--" too bad. You ever heard of an opinion board and a thing called free speech? Wow, be happy for upstarts trying to get a chance at FBS. Your team was an FCS team forever, and when you and UTSA got the call up there was a few people in Texas grumbling and annoyed. Not me. Texas St deserved and got what they should of gotten long ago: FBS call up. Stop being a hater and a bully. I respect your opinion, I just don't like your general attitude towards everyone on here.

(03-29-2015 04:52 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 11:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Well, it looks from the outside that Liberty is trying to be less "paper mill U" like a Devry or U of Phoenix, and more of a brick and motar like a Grand Canyon is doing.

Yes....except you have it reversed. GCU is trying to do what Liberty is doing.

Grand Canyon has 10,000+ on campus
Liberty has nearly 14,000 on campus

Grand Canyon has 58,000+ online students
Liberty has 90,000+ online students

Grand Canyon is a for profit university
Liberty is a non profit

Grand Canyon does not have football
Liberty has football

Grand Canyon has a 7,000 seat basketball arena
Liberty has a 10,000 seat basketball arena

Liberty has a 7,000 acre campus
Grand Canyon has a 100 acre campus


In terms of "brick and mortar" .... We're more brick and more mortar.


You can see current construction pictures here - http://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/index.cfm?PID=28638

This is a view of the new softball field and about half of the campus.

Is that really a cross on the mountain behind the campus?

(03-30-2015 08:03 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:47 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:30 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  It is a fundamentalist christian university, not a liberal Roman Catholic or protestant Duke like one. I am no fan of Falwell, and Liberty, but why would they want faculty who are 180 degrees away from their core belief. Their mission is bringing a fundamentalist christian view in all their subjects, not just the theology. No self respecting Jew sees Jesus as the messiah especially the atheist Jew. That view will be brought to the class in subliminal ways.

We're on real touchy ground here. Let's direct the conversation back to sports and teams seeking football membership. If we pursue this dialogue we'll likely end up in a dark hole well away from Liberty being discussed by an AD as an expansion candidate. Personal religious beliefs are best that. Personal.

If one disagrees and does not support Liberty then let's make points without the reference of Jews, Jesus, Messiah and more. If one wants to support or agree with Liberty, let's use points not to inflame or take us away from theIr assets. Common sense is that every school will want to have faculty, staff, coaches and students that have a minimum of commonality.

So you believe that schools should have faculty, staff, coaches, and students with commonality. . . . You must then, by extension, believe that Conferences want members with commonality . . . And therein lies Liberty's problem, What conference would you have anything in common with? It's certainly NOT the Sun Belt . . . .

Maybe or maybe not. Maybe we should define commonality. We'll see what happens with the Sun Belt. If the past is any indication, Liberty may still be left outside looking in. But if shifts occur, there may be no other better options.

No, it is a broadcast tower and the building down the ridge to the right on the mountain is our new med school. And stadium you see at the bottom is not our baseball stadium. That is our new softball yard. Our main athletic complex would be to the left of what you can see in this recent aerial.

(03-30-2015 08:38 AM)APPrising Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 04:52 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 11:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Well, it looks from the outside that Liberty is trying to be less "paper mill U" like a Devry or U of Phoenix, and more of a brick and motar like a Grand Canyon is doing.

Yes....except you have it reversed. GCU is trying to do what Liberty is doing.

Grand Canyon has 10,000+ on campus
Liberty has nearly 14,000 on campus

Grand Canyon has 58,000+ online students
Liberty has 90,000+ online students

Grand Canyon is a for profit university
Liberty is a non profit

Grand Canyon does not have football
Liberty has football

Grand Canyon has a 7,000 seat basketball arena
Liberty has a 10,000 seat basketball arena

Liberty has a 7,000 acre campus
Grand Canyon has a 100 acre campus


In terms of "brick and mortar" .... We're more brick and more mortar.


You can see current construction pictures here - http://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/index.cfm?PID=28638

This is a view of the new softball field and about half of the campus.

Is that really a cross on the mountain behind the campus?

The regional airport is nearby. I believe that it may be a airport approach tower, or as some say, a broadcast tower.

(03-30-2015 08:38 AM)APPrising Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 04:52 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(03-29-2015 11:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Well, it looks from the outside that Liberty is trying to be less "paper mill U" like a Devry or U of Phoenix, and more of a brick and motar like a Grand Canyon is doing.

Yes....except you have it reversed. GCU is trying to do what Liberty is doing.

Grand Canyon has 10,000+ on campus
Liberty has nearly 14,000 on campus

Grand Canyon has 58,000+ online students
Liberty has 90,000+ online students

Grand Canyon is a for profit university
Liberty is a non profit

Grand Canyon does not have football
Liberty has football

Grand Canyon has a 7,000 seat basketball arena
Liberty has a 10,000 seat basketball arena

Liberty has a 7,000 acre campus
Grand Canyon has a 100 acre campus


In terms of "brick and mortar" .... We're more brick and more mortar.


You can see current construction pictures here - http://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/index.cfm?PID=28638

This is a view of the new softball field and about half of the campus.

Is that really a cross on the mountain behind the campus?

I don't remember a cross there from my time on campus. I think it is a radio tower or something.

Hypothetically, what is everyone's opinion if Indiana, Butler or Notre Dame wanted to join the Sun Belt? You know, since they are from a discriminatory state...I'm guessing we would vote no.