(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  And most of those bowls are left over ties from the Big East. They are also the first bowls the P5's short when they get the chance.

How many bowls have you newly signed on to with a P5 opponent. And don't count Miami, BYU is not a P5 program, and that game rotates opponents (SBC is tied for 2019)

P5 league's want nothing to do with the rest of us.

Military and AF are new to AAC P5 ties, The only holdover from BE days is the B'ham bowl. St. Pete was a start up b/t BE and CUSA. It upgraded half the time with the current makeup. I wouldn't count Miami (unless playing by ACC rules ). However, I wouldn't totally discount it either as the AAC has the option to upgrade opponents when available.

Honestly, I half expected to see a new TX based bowl along the lines of the Miami (conference owned). That would be one for each division with flexibility for upgrading opponents. If I don my tinfoil hat, maybe that's the reason for potentially adding two more bowls that will be filled less than 50% of the time.

(03-11-2015 09:42 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:38 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

In low end bowls, you get what you get when it comes to oppoenents. That's why I never understood turning up our nose at New Orleans. Good location and a nice reward for a pair of 6-6/7-5 type teams.

More like 9-3 vs 6-6 or 7-5. SBC has owned the bowl recently because they have first pick of our league by virtue of being our longest affiliated Bowl. Either they or Mobile will have our champion every year unless that champ goes access, or requests another tied game.

I guess it could be worse, you guys could have been CUSA and taken a 2 million dollar hit to play in Hawaii every year. West teams can make money off of Little Rock, which in the world of Cost of Attendance is important for all of us

Well, that makes the rejection of the bowl even more confounding.

(03-11-2015 10:06 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:04 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Won't that and the patriots stadium bowl bring us to something crazy like 8-9 bowls for 12 teams?

Yeah I'm kinda confused it seems like we are getting a number of bowl games that we can't possibly fill. That's why I'm hoping it's to trade to upgrade Miami every year if possible, because I can't see us ever really needing more than 7 tie ins a year.

If both get certified this go around, it'd be 9 for 2015 and 10 for 2016-2019 not including access or backup opportunities. To put it in perspective, it's more than the PAC.

(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:03 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Garbage

Agree. I'd never go to that bowl. Of course that goes for almost every bowl we've got too.

Not even Razorpig fans think it could support a bowl well. The stadium is a dump and in a dump of a town.
http://www.wholehogsports.com/polls/2012...-bowl-gam/

We can call it the "Birmingham Bowl - West".

Yeah bowls are supposed to be a reward and a getaway, not a punishment in a flyover state.

(03-11-2015 10:16 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:06 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:04 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Won't that and the patriots stadium bowl bring us to something crazy like 8-9 bowls for 12 teams?

Yeah I'm kinda confused it seems like we are getting a number of bowl games that we can't possibly fill. That's why I'm hoping it's to trade to upgrade Miami every year if possible, because I can't see us ever really needing more than 7 tie ins a year.

If both get certified this go around, it'd be 9 for 2015 and 10 for 2016-2019 not including access or backup opportunities.

I think we are looking at one or the other--not both. Frankly, my guess is we plan to give away one of these slots in order to make room for a potentially better opponent in Miami when the opportunity arises.

(03-11-2015 10:18 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:03 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Garbage

Agree. I'd never go to that bowl. Of course that goes for almost every bowl we've got too.

Not even Razorpig fans think it could support a bowl well. The stadium is a dump and in a dump of a town.
http://www.wholehogsports.com/polls/2012...-bowl-gam/

We can call it the "Birmingham Bowl - West".

Yeah bowls are supposed to be a reward and a getaway, not a punishment in a flyover state.

How about "Turd-in-the-Punch Bowl"?

(03-11-2015 10:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:16 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:06 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:04 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Won't that and the patriots stadium bowl bring us to something crazy like 8-9 bowls for 12 teams?

Yeah I'm kinda confused it seems like we are getting a number of bowl games that we can't possibly fill. That's why I'm hoping it's to trade to upgrade Miami every year if possible, because I can't see us ever really needing more than 7 tie ins a year.

If both get certified this go around, it'd be 9 for 2015 and 10 for 2016-2019 not including access or backup opportunities.

I think we are looking at one or the other--not both. Frankly, my guess is we plan to give away one of these slots in order to make room for a potentially better opponent in Miami when the opportunity arises.

Sun never said for certain it was the AAC, just that the AAC was involved in the process. It could be some CUSA teams are involved as well.

That being said, the guy who is in charge of this has said several times that his ideal scenario is Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, or Houston against Arkansas State. (Easily would get 35K ASU fans at such a game) It would be sort of like ULL always going to New Orleans since the SBC contract allows teams to basically pick their bowls.

Now all of this said, this is a ways out. All we know is that a 2nd league is now interested in the game, which allows the bowl the opportunity now to market itself to television, and then go to the NCAA for certification. Expect an original announcement late next week, and then for the process to begin.

(03-11-2015 10:09 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:04 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:45 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  From what I've been told, the AAC's Commish was very confident a couple years ago that he would be able to line up more regular bowls against P5 level opponents. He sought to separate the AAC from the rest of the G5.

What he found out is that the P5 leagues had no real desire to play G5 teams in bowls because a loss was likely, and made them look far worse than a loss to a 6-6 P5 team would. That left you guys scrambling and the result was you had to align what whatever conference you could find.

The AAC bowls are not that great, but you do realize that the AAC has the most "P5" opponents in bowls, by far. The past year, AAC played 4 "P5" opponents plus BYU in bowls. Several other years there will be 4 opponents as well.

And most of those bowls are left over ties from the Big East. They are also the first bowls the P5's short when they get the chance.

How many bowls have you newly signed on to with a P5 opponent. And don't count Miami, BYU is not a P5 program, and that game rotates opponents (SBC is tied for 2019)

P5 league's want nothing to do with the rest of us.

Without bothering to Google, I'm pretty sure that the Navy bowl is new for the American (ACC) and the St. Pete was a re-sign for the American and upgraded to include the ACC. Those were very good gets by Aresco.

St Pete originally was affiliated with the Big East, so you guys already had a history, plus the ACC has played in it one time in the last 6 years.

Military Bowl was a very good get for you guys, but that's ACC tied because of location.

No, I went and checked. The Big East version of the St. Pete bowl never had an ACC tie in. That was new for last year, and was tied to the current version of the American. You're correct that the ACC has played once, and that was last season, versus the American, which was the first year of the new agreement.

We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

A few months ago, Aresco stated that he was still trying to get the Pac12 in Miami Beach. I wonder where that went (probably nowhere).

(03-11-2015 08:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who the hell wants that bowl?

Apparently the AAC...

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

A few months ago, Aresco stated that he was still trying to get the Pac12 in Miami Beach. I wonder where that went (probably nowhere).

Well think about it, you are the PAC 12...would you honestly want to send a 6-6 or 7-5 team across the country to play a G5 team that's probably going to have 8 or 9 wins? Especially when you've got bowls nearby who would give their front teeth to be associated with you?

(03-11-2015 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

A few months ago, Aresco stated that he was still trying to get the Pac12 in Miami Beach. I wonder where that went (probably nowhere).

Well think about it, you are the PAC 12...would you honestly want to send a 6-6 or 7-5 team across the country to play a G5 team that's probably going to have 8 or 9 wins? Especially when you've got bowls nearby who would give their front teeth to be associated with you?

Sure. But do they really want to go to Boise? Or New Mexico? Or does Miami sound a bit more appealing....

I wouldnt count out Miami for the last Pac-12 slot.

(03-11-2015 10:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

A few months ago, Aresco stated that he was still trying to get the Pac12 in Miami Beach. I wonder where that went (probably nowhere).

Well think about it, you are the PAC 12...would you honestly want to send a 6-6 or 7-5 team across the country to play a G5 team that's probably going to have 8 or 9 wins? Especially when you've got bowls nearby who would give their front teeth to be associated with you?

Sure. But do they really want to go to Boise? Or New Mexico? Or does Miami sound a bit more appealing....

I wouldnt count out Miami for the last Pac-12 slot.

They already go to New Mexico...so obviously yes.

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

Yep we already have more bowls than we need going forward, just have very few with an opponent anyone cares to play. Neither one of the new talked about bowls help that problem so I don't see the point.

(03-11-2015 10:47 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

A few months ago, Aresco stated that he was still trying to get the Pac12 in Miami Beach. I wonder where that went (probably nowhere).

Well think about it, you are the PAC 12...would you honestly want to send a 6-6 or 7-5 team across the country to play a G5 team that's probably going to have 8 or 9 wins? Especially when you've got bowls nearby who would give their front teeth to be associated with you?

Sure. But do they really want to go to Boise? Or New Mexico? Or does Miami sound a bit more appealing....

I wouldnt count out Miami for the last Pac-12 slot.

They already go to New Mexico...so obviously yes.

Not anymore. PAC dropped that bowl. They could have opted for the Christmas bowl as well, but passed and placed their last team in the ESPN back up bowl pool. Reports from last year had them in the AF bowl up until the last week or so. I'd think the ACC in the Miami next year would be a decent bet as they will be short a bowl (St. Pete). That would still leave a Dallas Bowl (HOD/AF) open more times than not as they rotate the last pick of a 10 team conference (Big 12).

(03-11-2015 11:34 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:47 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

A few months ago, Aresco stated that he was still trying to get the Pac12 in Miami Beach. I wonder where that went (probably nowhere).

Well think about it, you are the PAC 12...would you honestly want to send a 6-6 or 7-5 team across the country to play a G5 team that's probably going to have 8 or 9 wins? Especially when you've got bowls nearby who would give their front teeth to be associated with you?

Sure. But do they really want to go to Boise? Or New Mexico? Or does Miami sound a bit more appealing....

I wouldnt count out Miami for the last Pac-12 slot.

They already go to New Mexico...so obviously yes.

Not anymore. PAC dropped that bowl. They could have opted for the Christmas bowl as well, but passed and placed their last team in the ESPN back up bowl pool. Reports from last year had them in the AF bowl up until the last week or so. I'd think the ACC in the Miami next year would be a decent bet as they will be short a bowl (St. Pete). That would still leave a Dallas Bowl (HOD/AF) open more times than not as they rotate the last pick of a 10 team conference (Big 12).

What he means is the Sun Belt teams already go to New Mexico to play NMSU.

so we get 2 new sunbelt bowls next year -__-

i think we are overreacting to the temple situation ...aresco is just loading up on trash bowls at this point

i honestly think the 7 and 2 back ups was enough...and the possibility of the access and being picked for leftover p5 bowls...

the only winner here is the sunbelt as they get another guaranteed bid and have basically eliiminated the AAC from ever taking an unused P5 bid and have more for themselves

so we have 9 bids now (only 2 or 4 are p5 depending on the year) 2 backups and the access for a 12 team league...we are almost certinly never going to fill that

the sad part is if we ever fill that, that must have meant our league dominated in OOC beating a ton of good teams, and would be p5-esques with 3/4 top 25 ...but probably only 1 would be happy with their bowl (access) 2 would be content (the 2 6-6 p5 teams) and then we'd have a ton of good/great teams (the remaining 7) stuck playing middling g5 teams mostly c-usa/sunbelt

(03-11-2015 10:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 10:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  We don't need 10 bowls a year for 12 teams. What we need is better opponents (Miami Beach) in the bowls we already have.

Yep we already have more bowls than we need going forward, just have very few with an opponent anyone cares to play. Neither one of the new talked about bowls help that problem so I don't see the point.

Be reminded that bowl games, even the minor bowl games, draw on TV as well as a Yankee-Sox baseball game - as mentioned by ESPN executives -

But on television, bowl games are a sure thing, having drawn much larger audiences than other sports programming, not to mention other content on other channels. And that's what really matters these days.
"Fans are voting with their remotes and with their eyeballs," said Ilan Ben-Hanan, ESPN's vice president for programming and acquisitions. "I take issue with the notion of judging what's a good idea based on how many people are in the stands. There are a lot of sports out there that would kill to have tens of thousands of people in the stands."
Only one bowl game last year drew fewer than 1.2 million viewers on average, according to Nielsen. That's better than the 1.1 million who watched an opening day baseball game last year between the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox. Nationally broadcast regular season baseball games in 2012 and 2013 averaged about 680,000 viewers.
"Anyone who's says we've gotten a saturation doesn't have a sense of history, because people have been saying that for a long time with bowl games specifically and with televised sports in the larger sense," said Stephen Greyser, a professor at Harvard Business School.

I wonder if we start selling bowls? But who would want em?

Sorry if already posted, but here is a non-paywall link http://arkansasstate.scout.com/story/152...but-closer

My guess CBS cable may be the bidder since they already have the Orlando bowl with SB vs AAC.