(03-11-2015 08:15 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  These games against the sbc, mac, and c-USA are brutal. How many aac fans will travel to Arkansas to watch a game against the sbc? I wished we used some of that warchest to form a bowl with a payout to attract the p5.

You did create your own bowl remember? The Miami Bowl is all yours and no p5 team was setup by Aresco.

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

In low end bowls, you get what you get when it comes to oppoenents. That's why I never understood turning up our nose at New Orleans. Good location and a nice reward for a pair of 6-6/7-5 type teams.

(03-11-2015 09:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

For me playing the Sun-Belt vs playing current C-USA is 6 in one and half dozen the other. Aside from Southern Miss and Marshall there's not a single team left in C-USA that ECU has any real history with. My only question about this is why wouldn't the AAC have been more active in trying to get the New Orleans bowl which is a clearly better bowl and destination than this will be?

From what I've been told, the AAC's Commish was very confident a couple years ago that he would be able to line up more regular bowls against P5 level opponents. He sought to separate the AAC from the rest of the G5.

What he found out is that the P5 leagues had no real desire to play G5 teams in bowls because a loss was likely, and made them look far worse than a loss to a 6-6 P5 team would. That left you guys scrambling and the result was you had to align what whatever conference you could find.

are we being punked?

(03-11-2015 09:36 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 08:15 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  These games against the sbc, mac, and c-USA are brutal. How many aac fans will travel to Arkansas to watch a game against the sbc? I wished we used some of that warchest to form a bowl with a payout to attract the p5.

You did create your own bowl remember? The Miami Bowl is all yours and no p5 team was setup by Aresco.

You missed the second part about a payout to attract a P5 team. I'm not sure if that was actually possible anyway, but maybe we want the extra bowls to trade to get something good in Miami as often as possible. That's about all I can come up with for why we'd want or need another bowl game.

(03-11-2015 09:38 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

In low end bowls, you get what you get when it comes to oppoenents. That's why I never understood turning up our nose at New Orleans. Good location and a nice reward for a pair of 6-6/7-5 type teams.

More like 9-3 vs 6-6 or 7-5. SBC has owned the bowl recently because they have first pick of our league by virtue of being our longest affiliated Bowl. Either they or Mobile will have our champion every year unless that champ goes access, or requests another tied game.

I guess it could be worse, you guys could have been CUSA and taken a 2 million dollar hit to play in Hawaii every year. West teams can make money off of Little Rock, which in the world of Cost of Attendance is important for all of us

(03-11-2015 09:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

For me playing the Sun-Belt vs playing current C-USA is 6 in one and half dozen the other. Aside from Southern Miss and Marshall there's not a single team left in C-USA that ECU has any real history with. My only question about this is why wouldn't the AAC have been more active in trying to get the New Orleans bowl which is a clearly better bowl and destination than this will be?

From what I've been told, the AAC's Commish was very confident a couple years ago that he would be able to line up more regular bowls against P5 level opponents. He sought to separate the AAC from the rest of the G5.

What he found out is that the P5 leagues had no real desire to play G5 teams in bowls because a loss was likely, and made them look far worse than a loss to a 6-6 P5 team would. That left you guys scrambling and the result was you had to align what whatever conference you could find.

The AAC bowls are not that great, but you do realize that the AAC has the most "P5" opponents in bowls, by far. The past year, AAC played 4 "P5" opponents plus BYU in bowls. Several other years there will be 4 opponents as well.

(03-11-2015 08:27 AM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  Little Rock = the pits

I'd go to see Memphis play...easy drive.

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

Little Rock isn't N.O., but it's not as bad of a destination for couple of days as some here are making it out to be.

Houston, SMU, Tulsa, etc, here is your bowl. You wanted western bowls.

(03-11-2015 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Houston, SMU, Tulsa, etc, here is your bowl. You wanted western bowls.

LOL if this is Aresco's answer for them then I get their frustration.

(03-11-2015 09:03 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Garbage

Agree. I'd never go to that bowl. Of course that goes for almost every bowl we've got too.

Not even Razorpig fans think it could support a bowl well. The stadium is a dump and in a dump of a town.
http://www.wholehogsports.com/polls/2012...-bowl-gam/

We can call it the "Birmingham Bowl - West".

(03-11-2015 09:45 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

For me playing the Sun-Belt vs playing current C-USA is 6 in one and half dozen the other. Aside from Southern Miss and Marshall there's not a single team left in C-USA that ECU has any real history with. My only question about this is why wouldn't the AAC have been more active in trying to get the New Orleans bowl which is a clearly better bowl and destination than this will be?

From what I've been told, the AAC's Commish was very confident a couple years ago that he would be able to line up more regular bowls against P5 level opponents. He sought to separate the AAC from the rest of the G5.

What he found out is that the P5 leagues had no real desire to play G5 teams in bowls because a loss was likely, and made them look far worse than a loss to a 6-6 P5 team would. That left you guys scrambling and the result was you had to align what whatever conference you could find.

The AAC bowls are not that great, but you do realize that the AAC has the most "P5" opponents in bowls, by far. The past year, AAC played 4 "P5" opponents plus BYU in bowls. Several other years there will be 4 opponents as well.

And most of those bowls are left over ties from the Big East. They are also the first bowls the P5's short when they get the chance.

How many bowls have you newly signed on to with a P5 opponent. And don't count Miami, BYU is not a P5 program, and that game rotates opponents (SBC is tied for 2019)

P5 league's want nothing to do with the rest of us.

(03-11-2015 09:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So its between New England or Little Rock.

I remember we were told we passed on the Nola Bowl because we didn't want a Sunbelt opponent. I said that was a mistake at the time. Now it appears we will likely have not one--but two bowls against the Sunbelt and I have to ask---if your going to play the Sunbelt, would you rather play them in Little Rock or New Orleans? I like that Aresco got us a number of bowls against the P5, but it was apparant to anyone with eyes that we were going to need some low end western bowls as well. Sure wish we had locked up Nola as one of our annual destinations. I hope we correct that in the next round of bowl negotiations.

Just got back from a weekend on the French Quarter. TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!

(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:03 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Garbage

Agree. I'd never go to that bowl. Of course that goes for almost every bowl we've got too.

Yep, the list of bowl ties in this league has that I'd go to is the Military and maybe the St. Pete in the years it's an ACC tie in. I'm not driving over 8 hours or flying to watch a meaningless game.

(03-11-2015 09:47 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

Little Rock isn't N.O., but it's not as bad of a destination for couple of days as some here are making it out to be.

It's not at all. Little Rock regularly hosts the SEC Women's Tourney and has hosted the NCAA Tournament in both men and women recently. (You guys played there once)

It's not New Orleans...but Weather is usually decent in December, and it's no worse than playing a cold weather outdoor game against the MAC. Easy Drive for Memphis, SMU, and Tulsa fans.

SBC may have an idiot for a Commissioner, and may be poorly run as a whole, but the one thing we do well is picking bowl location. If this goes through, every single league team not named NMSU will have a bowl within a 5 or 6 hour drive of their campus.

(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:45 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:21 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well...we're not thrilled about playing some 6-6 AAC team if you want to know the honest truth, but Little Rock and Arkansas State have been trying to get this bowl started for 2 years now. Sun Belt hits 6 eligible every year basically, and we only have 4 tie ins. A 5th set game was needed. The real question was going to be whether CUSA or the AAC would be the opponent.

Little Rock has basically an unused stadium that they need money for. Razorbacks play there once a season, but Little Rock doesn't have a College Football program, so outside of High Schools paying to lease it for their Championships, there are no other tennants. It may not be a scenic destination, but it's close enough that teams have a chance to not lose a ton of money on it.

For me playing the Sun-Belt vs playing current C-USA is 6 in one and half dozen the other. Aside from Southern Miss and Marshall there's not a single team left in C-USA that ECU has any real history with. My only question about this is why wouldn't the AAC have been more active in trying to get the New Orleans bowl which is a clearly better bowl and destination than this will be?

From what I've been told, the AAC's Commish was very confident a couple years ago that he would be able to line up more regular bowls against P5 level opponents. He sought to separate the AAC from the rest of the G5.

What he found out is that the P5 leagues had no real desire to play G5 teams in bowls because a loss was likely, and made them look far worse than a loss to a 6-6 P5 team would. That left you guys scrambling and the result was you had to align what whatever conference you could find.

The AAC bowls are not that great, but you do realize that the AAC has the most "P5" opponents in bowls, by far. The past year, AAC played 4 "P5" opponents plus BYU in bowls. Several other years there will be 4 opponents as well.

And most of those bowls are left over ties from the Big East. They are also the first bowls the P5's short when they get the chance.

How many bowls have you newly signed on to with a P5 opponent. And don't count Miami, BYU is not a P5 program, and that game rotates opponents (SBC is tied for 2019)

P5 league's want nothing to do with the rest of us.

Without bothering to Google, I'm pretty sure that the Navy bowl is new for the American (ACC) and the St. Pete was a re-sign for the American and upgraded to include the ACC. Those were very good gets by Aresco.

Won't that and the patriots stadium bowl bring us to something crazy like 8-9 bowls for 12 teams?

(03-11-2015 10:04 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Won't that and the patriots stadium bowl bring us to something crazy like 8-9 bowls for 12 teams?

Yeah I'm kinda confused it seems like we are getting a number of bowl games that we can't possibly fill. That's why I'm hoping it's to trade to upgrade Miami every year if possible, because I can't see us ever really needing more than 7 tie ins a year.

(03-11-2015 10:04 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:45 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2015 09:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  For me playing the Sun-Belt vs playing current C-USA is 6 in one and half dozen the other. Aside from Southern Miss and Marshall there's not a single team left in C-USA that ECU has any real history with. My only question about this is why wouldn't the AAC have been more active in trying to get the New Orleans bowl which is a clearly better bowl and destination than this will be?

From what I've been told, the AAC's Commish was very confident a couple years ago that he would be able to line up more regular bowls against P5 level opponents. He sought to separate the AAC from the rest of the G5.

What he found out is that the P5 leagues had no real desire to play G5 teams in bowls because a loss was likely, and made them look far worse than a loss to a 6-6 P5 team would. That left you guys scrambling and the result was you had to align what whatever conference you could find.

The AAC bowls are not that great, but you do realize that the AAC has the most "P5" opponents in bowls, by far. The past year, AAC played 4 "P5" opponents plus BYU in bowls. Several other years there will be 4 opponents as well.

And most of those bowls are left over ties from the Big East. They are also the first bowls the P5's short when they get the chance.

How many bowls have you newly signed on to with a P5 opponent. And don't count Miami, BYU is not a P5 program, and that game rotates opponents (SBC is tied for 2019)

P5 league's want nothing to do with the rest of us.

Without bothering to Google, I'm pretty sure that the Navy bowl is new for the American (ACC) and the St. Pete was a re-sign for the American and upgraded to include the ACC. Those were very good gets by Aresco.

St Pete originally was affiliated with the Big East, so you guys already had a history, plus the ACC has played in it one time in the last 6 years.

Military Bowl was a very good get for you guys, but that's ACC tied because of location.