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(03-23-2015 11:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 10:50 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Tis true. I'm going to side with the New Testament on this one.

Sounds like a good idea. But the verses you referenced don't make them Christians.

I'm intrigued...continue.
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RE: Wow! Atheists deciding how God would judge
(03-23-2015 11:05 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 10:50 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Tis true. I'm going to side with the New Testament on this one.
Sounds like a good idea. But the verses you referenced don't make them Christians.
I'm intrigued...continue.

Not much to continue. It's pretty short and simple. What those verses talk about isn't part of liberation theology. What liberation theology talks about isn't what those verses talk about.
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RE: Wow! Atheists deciding how God would judge
(03-23-2015 11:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:05 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 10:50 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Tis true. I'm going to side with the New Testament on this one.
Sounds like a good idea. But the verses you referenced don't make them Christians.
I'm intrigued...continue.

Not much to continue. It's pretty short and simple. What those verses talk about isn't part of liberation theology. What liberation theology talks about isn't what those verses talk about.

They believe in Jesus. That makes them Christians in my book. I am welcome to someone proving me wrong on that, I don't think anyone could.
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RE: Wow! Atheists deciding how God would judge
(03-23-2015 11:16 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:05 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 10:50 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Tis true. I'm going to side with the New Testament on this one.
Sounds like a good idea. But the verses you referenced don't make them Christians.
I'm intrigued...continue.
Not much to continue. It's pretty short and simple. What those verses talk about isn't part of liberation theology. What liberation theology talks about isn't what those verses talk about.
They believe in Jesus. That makes them Christians in my book. I am welcome to someone proving me wrong on that, I don't think anyone could.

They believe Jesus existed as a human being. There are atheists who believe that. I don't think this discussion will lead anywhere productive.
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RE: Wow! Atheists deciding how God would judge
(03-23-2015 11:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:16 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:05 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 11:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Sounds like a good idea. But the verses you referenced don't make them Christians.
I'm intrigued...continue.
Not much to continue. It's pretty short and simple. What those verses talk about isn't part of liberation theology. What liberation theology talks about isn't what those verses talk about.
They believe in Jesus. That makes them Christians in my book. I am welcome to someone proving me wrong on that, I don't think anyone could.

They believe Jesus existed as a human being. There are atheists who believe that. I don't think this discussion will lead anywhere productive.

As far as I can tell they believe Jesus is the son of God. Not good enough to be Christians?
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RE: Wow! Atheists deciding how God would judge
(03-23-2015 10:43 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Moving the goalposts again I see. I never would disagree with you that Obama is an atheist, I believe that as well.

Wait so suddenly *YOU* get to decide who is a Christian? That's funny for a guy saying that Christians should have no say in what Christianity is.

Quote:You brought up Black Liberation Theology, they believe in Jesus regardless of what you want to think.

Now who's moving the goalpost?

I did not question "if they believe in Jesus" I questioned if they put Chrsit at the center of their faith and not Social Justice.
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Look Blue, it really doesn't concern me if "they" think they're Christian or not. There's many religions that claim that they are Christians but by going by what their dogma and where they put Christ in that dogma tells me a lot. There's really nothing that I can do about it, only the Holy Spirit can change their mindset. I can't judge these people but I can say that I want nothing to do with their dogma/religion because much of what they believe in is heretical to start and blasphemous in the end. Everyone will one day die and Jesus will let them know where they stand. It's in the Bible:

13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall." Matthew 7:13-27
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RE: Wow! Atheists deciding how God would judge
(03-24-2015 05:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(03-23-2015 10:43 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Moving the goalposts again I see. I never would disagree with you that Obama is an atheist, I believe that as well.

Wait so suddenly *YOU* get to decide who is a Christian? That's funny for a guy saying that Christians should have no say in what Christianity is.

Quote:You brought up Black Liberation Theology, they believe in Jesus regardless of what you want to think.

Now who's moving the goalpost?

I did not question "if they believe in Jesus" I questioned if they put Chrsit at the center of their faith and not Social Justice.


No I don't get to decide who is Christian anymore than you do. I stated an opinion, you stated it as a fact. I don't believe Obama is a Christian, I don't think he believes in Jesus, that's a far cry from stating that he is in fact not a Christian, he may well be.

I know everyone likes to believe their version of their religion is correct. I think if they believe in the divinity of Jesus they are a Christian, obviously you have a higher threshold than that. That's fine, but it's still no more than an opinion as are my beliefs on the subject. I still would never state as fact that someone who claims to be a Christian isn't. Only they truly know what is in their head and heart.
That can be my response to Ollie as well
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I find the arrogance and the self-inflated importance of the atheist "scientist" in this video fascinating.



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