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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 08:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
And exactly why should students who are paying for their own lodging, food, and school have to pay even higher fees so athletes have a totally free ride??
Because their research for potentially finding cure for cancer and other potentially noble studies are not as valuable as an athlete, who in some cases couldn't care a less about scholastic ventures.
BTW, the term "student fees" is really a tax: At least the youth is learning early that we are taxed to the max as a society without, often without seeing the bendefitbanghead:
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 07:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote: (03-04-2015 01:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:32 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/23833...g-national
... Without question, Penn State is using this stipend as a recruiting tool, which purists of college athletics probably feared as soon as the movement to pay college athletes started to pick up steam. Granted, even the Big Ten's biggest stipend at $4,788 for a nine-month period of the year is extremely modest, but it will now be interesting to see if schools around the Big Ten decide to increase their own stipend to compete with the one Penn State is offering....
$4,788 can buy a lot of beer.
Nothing else to buy in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.
That's about $90 a week, enough for 1 date and a tank of gas in the car if you've got one.
It's really not that much, but when I was in school you could find a $5 beer bust (unlimited draft beer) any day on Highland. With inflation it would be $10.
When I was in school, an ounce of **************** cost ***********.
Is $90 a week really enough to convince a recruit to sign? It will end up being less than their peers who have some low level part time job while going to school. And it's not as all athletes are poverty-stricken. Probably the majority are getting some pocket money from their parents.
No doubt this will have some consequences, probably bad since I'm a cynic, but imho there's no wow factor to the amount.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 01:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:32 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/23833...g-national
... Without question, Penn State is using this stipend as a recruiting tool, which purists of college athletics probably feared as soon as the movement to pay college athletes started to pick up steam. Granted, even the Big Ten's biggest stipend at $4,788 for a nine-month period of the year is extremely modest, but it will now be interesting to see if schools around the Big Ten decide to increase their own stipend to compete with the one Penn State is offering....
$4,788 can buy a lot of beer.
Nothing else to buy in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.
That's about $90 a week, enough for 1 date and a tank of gas in the car if you've got one.
Not a financial jackpot at all. For what these kids give the school, it is money well earned imo.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
And exactly why should students who are paying for their own lodging, food, and school have to pay even higher fees so athletes have a totally free ride??
Because their research for potentially finding cure for cancer and other potentially noble studies are not as valuable as an athlete, who in some cases couldn't care a less about scholastic ventures.
BTW, the term "student fees" is really a tax: At least the youth is learning early that we are taxed to the max as a society without, often without seeing the bendefitbanghead:
You do understand that because of sports, average people in a tiny off season beach bar in a small town on the East Coast recognize the Cpaw on my hat and know I'm a UC grad. So the student that applys for a nice gig on the East Coast, at least the potential employer know something about the university. Sports is one one the most cost effective ways to advertise your school. $50.00 per student is nothing IMHO.
The NCAA allows athletes to work but the time demands of their sports make that virtually impossible, even in their offseason.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
This cost shouldn't be passed on to the students.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 08:47 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
And exactly why should students who are paying for their own lodging, food, and school have to pay even higher fees so athletes have a totally free ride??
Because their research for potentially finding cure for cancer and other potentially noble studies are not as valuable as an athlete, who in some cases couldn't care a less about scholastic ventures.
BTW, the term "student fees" is really a tax: At least the youth is learning early that we are taxed to the max as a society without, often without seeing the bendefitbanghead:
You do understand that because of sports, average people in a tiny off season beach bar in a small town on the East Coast recognize the Cpaw on my hat and know I'm a UC grad. So the student that applys for a nice gig on the East Coast, at least the potential employer know something about the university. Sports is one one the most cost effective ways to advertise your school. $50.00 per student is nothing IMHO.
The NCAA allows athletes to work but the time demands of their sports make that virtually impossible, even in their offseason.
That's with 30,000 students... What about when schools have 5000. You just raised tuition 300 dollars a student so the athletes could have extra drug money. (I have zero doubt that a good deal of it will be used for that)
It's not like they need it for food since the NCAA made the hungry huskies rules.
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(03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
Gotcha
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(03-04-2015 08:35 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote: (03-04-2015 01:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:32 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: $4,788 can buy a lot of beer.
Nothing else to buy in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.
That's about $90 a week, enough for 1 date and a tank of gas in the car if you've got one.
It's really not that much, but when I was in school you could find a $5 beer bust (unlimited draft beer) any day on Highland. With inflation it would be $10.
When I was in school, an ounce of **************** cost ***********.
Is $90 a week really enough to convince a recruit to sign? It will end up being less than their peers who have some low level part time job while going to school. And it's not as all athletes are poverty-stricken. Probably the majority are getting some pocket money from their parents.
No doubt this will have some consequences, probably bad since I'm a cynic, but imho there's no wow factor to the amount.
Haha.......walk up hill both ways too?
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(03-04-2015 08:35 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote: (03-04-2015 01:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:32 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: $4,788 can buy a lot of beer.
Nothing else to buy in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.
That's about $90 a week, enough for 1 date and a tank of gas in the car if you've got one.
It's really not that much, but when I was in school you could find a $5 beer bust (unlimited draft beer) any day on Highland. With inflation it would be $10.
When I was in school, an ounce of **************** cost ***********.
Is $90 a week really enough to convince a recruit to sign? It will end up being less than their peers who have some low level part time job while going to school. And it's not as all athletes are poverty-stricken. Probably the majority are getting some pocket money from their parents.
No doubt this will have some consequences, probably bad since I'm a cynic, but imho there's no wow factor to the amount.
Haha.......walk up hill both ways too?
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(03-04-2015 08:35 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:25 AM)tnzazz Wrote: (03-04-2015 01:32 AM)cotton1991 Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:32 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: $4,788 can buy a lot of beer.
Nothing else to buy in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.
That's about $90 a week, enough for 1 date and a tank of gas in the car if you've got one.
It's really not that much, but when I was in school you could find a $5 beer bust (unlimited draft beer) any day on Highland. With inflation it would be $10.
When I was in school, an ounce of **************** cost ***********.
Is $90 a week really enough to convince a recruit to sign? It will end up being less than their peers who have some low level part time job while going to school. And it's not as all athletes are poverty-stricken. Probably the majority are getting some pocket money from their parents.
No doubt this will have some consequences, probably bad since I'm a cynic, but imho there's no wow factor to the amount.
Haha.......walk up hill both ways too?
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:47 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
And exactly why should students who are paying for their own lodging, food, and school have to pay even higher fees so athletes have a totally free ride??
Because their research for potentially finding cure for cancer and other potentially noble studies are not as valuable as an athlete, who in some cases couldn't care a less about scholastic ventures.
BTW, the term "student fees" is really a tax: At least the youth is learning early that we are taxed to the max as a society without, often without seeing the bendefitbanghead:
You do understand that because of sports, average people in a tiny off season beach bar in a small town on the East Coast recognize the Cpaw on my hat and know I'm a UC grad. So the student that applys for a nice gig on the East Coast, at least the potential employer know something about the university. Sports is one one the most cost effective ways to advertise your school. $50.00 per student is nothing IMHO.
The NCAA allows athletes to work but the time demands of their sports make that virtually impossible, even in their offseason.
That's with 30,000 students... What about when schools have 5000. You just raised tuition 300 dollars a student so the athletes could have extra drug money. (I have zero doubt that a good deal of it will be used for that)
It's not like they need it for food since the NCAA made the hungry huskies rules.
If they cannot afford to pay they should step down to FCS. Its simple. If your school does not want to pay what it takes to compete at the highest level, they should just step down. I repeat something previously said: The NCAA allows athletes to work but the time demands of their sports make that virtually impossible, even in their offseason.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 10:17 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 09:26 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:47 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: And exactly why should students who are paying for their own lodging, food, and school have to pay even higher fees so athletes have a totally free ride??
Because their research for potentially finding cure for cancer and other potentially noble studies are not as valuable as an athlete, who in some cases couldn't care a less about scholastic ventures.
BTW, the term "student fees" is really a tax: At least the youth is learning early that we are taxed to the max as a society without, often without seeing the bendefitbanghead:
You do understand that because of sports, average people in a tiny off season beach bar in a small town on the East Coast recognize the Cpaw on my hat and know I'm a UC grad. So the student that applys for a nice gig on the East Coast, at least the potential employer know something about the university. Sports is one one the most cost effective ways to advertise your school. $50.00 per student is nothing IMHO.
The NCAA allows athletes to work but the time demands of their sports make that virtually impossible, even in their offseason.
That's with 30,000 students... What about when schools have 5000. You just raised tuition 300 dollars a student so the athletes could have extra drug money. (I have zero doubt that a good deal of it will be used for that)
It's not like they need it for food since the NCAA made the hungry huskies rules.
If they cannot afford to pay they should step down to FCS. Its simple.
Fair Enough. I'm just saying that the money shouldn't be brought out of student funds. It should either come from the athletic budget or donations.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 12:47 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:22 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote: (03-04-2015 12:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:32 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: (03-03-2015 10:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/23833...g-national
... Without question, Penn State is using this stipend as a recruiting tool, which purists of college athletics probably feared as soon as the movement to pay college athletes started to pick up steam. Granted, even the Big Ten's biggest stipend at $4,788 for a nine-month period of the year is extremely modest, but it will now be interesting to see if schools around the Big Ten decide to increase their own stipend to compete with the one Penn State is offering....
$4,788 can buy a lot of beer.
Nothing else to buy in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.
State College is pretty nice as far as college towns go.
It's no Lawrence, Charlottesville, Athens, or Chapel Hill.
Uh, how much time have you spent in any of the towns that you've mentioned? Chapel Hill is a little s*ithole, Athens, GA is a quaint little town (Athens, OH is one of the greatest college towns in America) & Charlottesville is populated with more stuck up ass hats than you will ever see in your life.
State College is a great town, & when you decide to play football for Penn State you have become the single source of entertainment in Central Pennsylvania. Temple will never, ever, ever reach a fraction of the level of popular entertainment that Penn State has achieved. Temple can be in the top 20 with a brand new OCS & they will still draw 15K.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
It's the package of changes and the long term affects that will hurt. Still, as it stands now, I think 1.5M is a big deal for a number of G5 schools. But I think it's more than this alone. The 1.5M doesn't include the off campus housing allowance. That number, in most cases, will probably be higher than the COA stipend. So before we even look at the costs of extended insurance coverage we could be looking at $10,000 plus per athlete. There's also the pending rule allowing unfettered transfers ---
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
Question: Does each student athlete get the same amount of money or is prorated based on position or the need to offer more money for one athlete to get him to commit vs. another?
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 11:10 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 07:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: There is not a "match". Not even in the B10. Each school's numbers will be different based on the total cost of attendance as reported to the government each year. Schools will now walk a fine line between jacking that number up to offer more to athletes and possibly turning off potential students when they review the published numbers for cost.
I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
It's the package of changes and the long term affects that will hurt. Still, as it stands now, I think 1.5M is a big deal for a number of G5 schools. But I think it's more than this alone. The 1.5M doesn't include the off campus housing allowance. That number, in most cases, will probably be higher than the COA stipend. So before we even look at the costs of extended insurance coverage we could be looking at $10,000 plus per athlete. There's also the pending rule allowing unfettered transfers ---
But you don't have those costs if you play FCS sports. I am not in favor of G-5 schools who cannot afford to play P-5 football spending money if they don't have it. Now is the time to drop. I think there are only 15 G-5 teams that will survive the changes you mentioned. And its going to take a nice football stadium and BB arena, up to $150million investment to catch up to the P-5. And it could become more. That is a serious investment.
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RE: Penn State: COA stipend will be $4,788 per athlete
(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:47 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: (03-04-2015 08:13 AM)Bearcat61 Wrote: I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone, that would be $50.00 annual increase in fees. Am I missing something?
And exactly why should students who are paying for their own lodging, food, and school have to pay even higher fees so athletes have a totally free ride??
Because their research for potentially finding cure for cancer and other potentially noble studies are not as valuable as an athlete, who in some cases couldn't care a less about scholastic ventures.
BTW, the term "student fees" is really a tax: At least the youth is learning early that we are taxed to the max as a society without, often without seeing the bendefitbanghead:
You do understand that because of sports, average people in a tiny off season beach bar in a small town on the East Coast recognize the Cpaw on my hat and know I'm a UC grad. So the student that applys for a nice gig on the East Coast, at least the potential employer know something about the university. Sports is one one the most cost effective ways to advertise your school. $50.00 per student is nothing IMHO.
The NCAA allows athletes to work but the time demands of their sports make that virtually impossible, even in their offseason.
That's with 30,000 students... What about when schools have 5000. You just raised tuition 300 dollars a student so the athletes could have extra drug money. (I have zero doubt that a good deal of it will be used for that)
It's not like they need it for food since the NCAA made the hungry huskies rules.
"I don't see how this is a big deal. $5,000.00 per 300 athletes is $1.5 million. With 30,000 students alone..." Uh, you do realize that most schools don't have 30,000 students and this will be a "big deal" for them. If the non-student athletes (at UCF) don't mind paying for all this with the (my opinion) ridiculous amounts--my opinion--of student fees that they've been hit with to pay for the athletes they share classrooms with, then that's their prerogative. But most schools don't have 30,000 students to decrease the cost with more BS student fees.
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