(03-01-2015 05:29 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:08 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:57 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:35 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:17 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wtf does the ooc have to do with conference standing? How's UCF and Houston doing this year?

UCF is on sanctions, and they have a very good recruiting class coming in. UH has Sampson righting the ship. They'll both donkey stomp Lebo next year.
I'm referencing your OOC because ECU's RPI is working against the conference. There's no excuse for it. If there was a method to Lebo's madness, and ECU was performing, then whatever. However, by not cleaning up the schedule, you're just an anchor down there.

You do know ECU's RPI is higher than Houston's, UCF's and USF's right? It's by no means great, but to say that only ECU's RPI is hurting the conference is simply not true.

Yeah but USF and Houston are breaking in new coaches, who had little time to fill out their rosters; and UCF hasn't had a full roster in some time.

Lebo has been around for awhile already. He was never an upper-tier CUSA coach. I'm wondering how anyone can expect he's going to perform above his previous levels in a tougher league.

I'd be worried if we weren't actually investing in our program or if our recruiting wasn't picking up but we are doing both. Our best player is a Freshman and our second best player is a Soph.

as far as worrying about him perfoming better than in C-USA, we already are performing better this year than last year in C-USA. Also with the increased competition we get increased exposure, which should only help our program.

To be honest, even though we started the season poorly, we have a lot to be optimistic about going to next year, in my opinion as much as UCF, Houston or USF.

ECU played badly last year and at the beginning of this year, because of all of the injuries on the roster. When ECU is healthy they are a middle of the pack team. Lebo would have to recruit a lot better in order for ECU to move from the middle of the pack.

(03-01-2015 04:35 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:17 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wtf does the ooc have to do with conference standing? How's UCF and Houston doing this year?

UCF is on sanctions, and they have a very good recruiting class coming in. UH has Sampson righting the ship. They'll both donkey stomp Lebo next year.
I'm referencing your OOC because ECU's RPI is working against the conference. There's no excuse for it. If there was a method to Lebo's madness, and ECU was performing, then whatever. However, by not cleaning up the schedule, you're just an anchor down there.

We will make sure to check back on these comments next year. If you are correct, big deal. If you are wrong, you will have to eat donkey sh*t!

Especially when you want to apply logic like RPI and who the coaches are to us, but not to your own team and situations they created?

(03-01-2015 06:48 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Secondly, they (UCF) always have a good recruiting class coming in....

Really?

Not having scholarships to give out hurts your overall class ranking/potential.

While UCF had 4 to use this last year, 2 seemed to have worked out pretty well with the solid 2 Freshmen but JUCO Shaheed Davis was an incomplete/disappointment, AJ Davis, transfer from Tennessee...obviously its still unknown how that will turn out, even though practice reports seem very positive.

Year before 2013, didn't work out that well either as Haney was a bust and gone after one year, JUCO McCory failed and was gone, McBride was injured and played less than half a season, and only Goodwin played more than 12 mins a game from that class.

2012 Class with Williams (torn ACL this year), Karrel, Blair and Walker...only Blair is a starter.

While Scholarship Restrictions have taken their toll on UCF over last 3 years, the recruiting restrictions (official visits almost cut in half, no off campus recruiting during certain evaluation periods, no post season eligibility for one season, etc...) all of that adds, making recruiting pretty hard to do.

Not having any of the above for this year's class seems to have paid off...but UCF will need to follow this class up with 2-3 more in a row if they want to get in the Top 4-5 of this conf.

I think you have to be the first one to say UCF always recruited well, including during their probation years/sanctions.

(03-01-2015 04:11 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 03:26 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 03:09 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  So much potential. With AAC programs playing in your gym now, there's nothing holding ECU back from scoring a coach like Haith at Tulsa, and talking about punching dance tickets.

Lebo is going anywhere. Just got an extension to 2021 I believe.

Outrageous.

They're obviously not giving extensions by wins and losses. Besides the length, the concerning part is that ECU's OOC schedule was hot garbage and they're still in 7th.

You don't know what you're talking about. Lebo has more wins than any other coach in ECU history after four years. In the history of the program...Lebo has more wins.

You've got to judge the guy after a few years recruiting in the AAC w the new level of competiton and exposure.

ECU has never been on TV for basketball this much. I think you'll see our recruiting get better quickly. BJ Tyson is an example he could be the freshman of the year in the AAC.

ECU has wins over Cincinnati and Memphis this year and shouldve beaten Tulsa. We have played pretty well at home and shown we can compete with the upper level teams in this league. Rome wasn't built in a day people.

I hope you're right. I only want the best at ECU.

That said, I want the record to state that it was an ECU fan that said the Pirates were at the top O' the turd pile. I didn't start it.

(03-01-2015 05:08 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:57 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:35 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 04:17 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wtf does the ooc have to do with conference standing? How's UCF and Houston doing this year?

UCF is on sanctions, and they have a very good recruiting class coming in. UH has Sampson righting the ship. They'll both donkey stomp Lebo next year.
I'm referencing your OOC because ECU's RPI is working against the conference. There's no excuse for it. If there was a method to Lebo's madness, and ECU was performing, then whatever. However, by not cleaning up the schedule, you're just an anchor down there.

You do know ECU's RPI is higher than Houston's, UCF's and USF's right? It's by no means great, but to say that only ECU's RPI is hurting the conference is simply not true.

Yeah but USF and Houston are breaking in new coaches, who had little time to fill out their rosters; and UCF hasn't had a full roster in some time.

Lebo has been around for awhile already. He was never an upper-tier CUSA coach. I'm wondering how anyone can expect he's going to perform above his previous levels in a tougher league.

ECU has a lot more to offer a prospective coach than they did when they settled on the coach that Auburn fired.

So excuses are ok for USF, Houston, and UCF but not for ECU. By the way, Houston hired Kelvin Sampson who was fired by several colleges prior to landing there.

ECU has had injuries all year as well.

By no means do I think Lebo should be fired, but I also don't think he should be signed so far into the future.

(03-01-2015 07:39 PM)Chappy Wrote:  By no means do I think Lebo should be fired, but I also don't think he should be signed so far into the future.

I agree, I think the extension was way too much and probably was not warranted, but I do see some cause for optimism with how we've ended this season. If we regress next year then I too will be critical of Lebo (I admittingly disagree with him not starting Tyson).

The issue I had was the poster who claimed ECU's RPI was hurting the conference without even addressing the 3 schools that have worse RPI's than us.

(03-01-2015 07:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:48 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Secondly, they (UCF) always have a good recruiting class coming in....

Really?

Not having scholarships to give out hurts your overall class ranking/potential.

While UCF had 4 to use this last year, 2 seemed to have worked out pretty well with the solid 2 Freshmen but JUCO Shaheed Davis was an incomplete/disappointment, AJ Davis, transfer from Tennessee...obviously its still unknown how that will turn out, even though practice reports seem very positive.

Year before 2013, didn't work out that well either as Haney was a bust and gone after one year, JUCO McCory failed and was gone, McBride was injured and played less than half a season, and only Goodwin played more than 12 mins a game from that class.

2012 Class with Williams (torn ACL this year), Karrel, Blair and Walker...only Blair is a starter.

While Scholarship Restrictions have taken their toll on UCF over last 3 years, the recruiting restrictions (official visits almost cut in half, no off campus recruiting during certain evaluation periods, no post season eligibility for one season, etc...) all of that adds, making recruiting pretty hard to do.

Not having any of the above for this year's class seems to have paid off...but UCF will need to follow this class up with 2-3 more in a row if they want to get in the Top 4-5 of this conf.

I think you have to be the first one to say UCF always recruited well, including during their probation years/sanctions.

UCF fans brag about their basketball recruiting classes every year. This year you all were bragging about your incoming freshmen guards. Before that you all bragged on Clanton, who ended up being a decent big man. Then you all used to brag on Jordan's son. He was o.k., but nothing special. Then you all were bragging on Chandler or some guy by that name, but he never even showed up at UCF. The one guy that you all didn't brag on that much was Sykes, but he ended up being pretty good. The problem is Jones. He sucks and that is with cheating.

TACKOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

(03-01-2015 09:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  TACKOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

People underestimate the impact a 12' center can have (he grows 1" for every thread about him).

(03-01-2015 09:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  TACKOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

BURRITOOOOOOO!!!!!

(03-01-2015 07:55 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:39 PM)Chappy Wrote:  By no means do I think Lebo should be fired, but I also don't think he should be signed so far into the future.

I agree, I think the extension was way too much and probably was not warranted, but I do see some cause for optimism with how we've ended this season. If we regress next year then I too will be critical of Lebo (I admittingly disagree with him not starting Tyson).

The issue I had was the poster who claimed ECU's RPI was hurting the conference without even addressing the 3 schools that have worse RPI's than us.

I see cause for optimism too the way the season has ended, but I agree with the point that our RPI is hurting the league. It's hurting the league because we are now playing good enough to be a threat to beat anyone in the league at home, but losing to us is an RPI bomb. For example just fiddling around with RPI wizard our victory vs Cincy is the difference between their RPI being 31 vs 49. Memphis is a 91 currently but would be 80 if they hadn't lost to us. Yes it's on those teams for losing to us, but it's on us for being so bad early that losing to us is crippling. If Temple loses to us Thursday it's entirely possible it knocks them out of the tournament, and that would hurt the entire league.

There is a lot of room for optimism at ECU...and I think the extended contract for Lebo is part of it.

Next year, they return 4 starters and their top 5 scorers from this year.

They certainly have been competitive during the conference season.

They bring in another legit scorer that should get minutes right away.

They will turn the reigns over to a Soph PG next year that has more talent than what is there now...isn't that what we always say we want, to bring in better talent? It just takes time for them to get acclimated to the college game.

Lebo has some name recognition, which is necessary when you are playing on TV as much as this conference does.

The early losses are understandable when you are incorporating 3 new starters in your lineup.

(03-02-2015 06:38 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Lebo has some name recognition, which is necessary when you are playing on TV as much as this conference does.

I have to wonder if Bobby Hurley wouldn't have been a better choice, if you're looking for name recognition.

(03-02-2015 04:44 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  TACKOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

BURRITOOOOOOO!!!!!

FAJITA

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:38 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Lebo has some name recognition, which is necessary when you are playing on TV as much as this conference does.

I have to wonder if Bobby Hurley wouldn't have been a better choice, if you're looking for name recognition.

Name recognition. Like a name that will allow a student athlete to transfer just for the fact you have a coach named Sampson. The young student athlete morals would not allow him to play for such a coach and the NCAA granted him a waiver to transfer. Take your name recognition and go on somewhere. His post was filled with positives about the future and you pull that bs out of it, enjoy the view from the bottom.

(03-02-2015 05:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:55 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:39 PM)Chappy Wrote:  By no means do I think Lebo should be fired, but I also don't think he should be signed so far into the future.

I agree, I think the extension was way too much and probably was not warranted, but I do see some cause for optimism with how we've ended this season. If we regress next year then I too will be critical of Lebo (I admittingly disagree with him not starting Tyson).

The issue I had was the poster who claimed ECU's RPI was hurting the conference without even addressing the 3 schools that have worse RPI's than us.

I see cause for optimism too the way the season has ended, but I agree with the point that our RPI is hurting the league. It's hurting the league because we are now playing good enough to be a threat to beat anyone in the league at home, but losing to us is an RPI bomb. For example just fiddling around with RPI wizard our victory vs Cincy is the difference between their RPI being 31 vs 49. Memphis is a 91 currently but would be 80 if they hadn't lost to us. Yes it's on those teams for losing to us, but it's on us for being so bad early that losing to us is crippling. If Temple loses to us Thursday it's entirely possible it knocks them out of the tournament, and that would hurt the entire league.

I agree that our RPI is hurting the league, that wasn't the argument I was making, just that we are one of 4 schools that are yet were being singled out. I have yet to come across 1 ECU fan that hasn't been critical of our scheduling philosophy. My hope is that next year the league will put pressure on us to actually schedule real opponents.

I've said in previous posts but I've never seen 2 more polar opposite philosophies than ECU's scheduling philosophy for football vs basketball. In football we went out, (on the road during the early years) and played anybody and took plenty of lumps along the way but in turn built a passionate fan base. In basketball we just try to schedule easy wins vs non Div I teams and in turn have developed a very apathetic fanbase in a basketball crazy state. Hopefully we are starting to turn that around.