(03-02-2015 04:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:01 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

I dunno.

How could the head coaches of SFA, ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, CBU, etc., beat the guy who beat Pitino???

A little late to the party amigo. We lost to those teams last year?

So, Pastner's not a good coach this year, just last year?

Is Billy Donovan a bad coach this year?

(03-02-2015 04:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:05 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Jalen Kendrick. Kicked off.
Tariq Black. Benched at Kansas same as here
Kuran Iverson? Picked up by Rhode Island, really? He did himself in


Defect(ive) logic

Tarik Black; benched WORST than here. Antonio Barton didn't improve either.

Hold on there amigo. By your points per game logic Antonio did improve at Tennessee. He scored more per game than under pastner the previous year. He also had double the total assists/season.

Do you use stats only selectively?

Oh that's right. You do.

We missed you the last few days. Still licking your wounds?

Players defecting? Not the problem. Your logic needs "disinfecting".

Pastner bear Pitino TWICE last year; owned Gonzaga before this year. Travis Ford beaten last year.

How could a "clown" beat the ranked and defending national champion coach Pitino.

The only "clown" appears to be you

Antonio improved pts per game because he played 30 min per game at TN a and 7-8 at Memphis.

And you dare to question logic??? ???

(03-01-2015 11:15 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  At that point you foul down 2 and hope for at least one miss. And getting a miss, while again, wouldn't be lucky, does rely on the other team not executing. There is a reason in the NBA teams choose to play defense down by that amount and roughly the same amount of time. Certainly the rules of the NBA (24 second shot clock and timeout ball advancement) lend to greater opportunities, but it still comes down to your guys making plays versus counting on the other team to make mistakes (aka - missing FT's).

Well, I'm obviously in the minority, but I would've tried to extend the game and taken my chances putting them on the line down 3 (not 2, my bad) with a minute to go. We did what the majority seems to agree with, and we lost. We probably would've lost fouling them. You really need to be able to get a stop, and for some reason, when we really need a stop, the other team generally gets a layup.

Your last sentence is exactly correct. Last year, I would've probably gone the other way. This year, I'd cast my lot with the other team making mistakes vs our guys getting a stop.

(03-02-2015 05:25 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Antonio improved pts per game because he played 30 min per game at TN a and 7-8 at Memphis.

And you dare to question logic??? ???

Sweet. More totally incorrect and made up numbers by you... You did at least get the part of Antonio getting more minutes at UTK correct.

Antonio played more minutes at UTK than Memphis: CHECK
Antonio played 30 minutes/game at UTK: CHECK -
Antonio played 7-8 minutes/game at Memphis: CHECK -

Did I use your system correct? Just give me a CHECK or CHECK -...

(03-02-2015 05:30 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 05:25 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Antonio improved pts per game because he played 30 min per game at TN a and 7-8 at Memphis.

And you dare to question logic??? ???

Sweet. More totally incorrect and made up numbers by you... You did at least get the part of Antonio getting more minutes at UTK correct.

Antonio played more minutes at UTK than Memphis: CHECK
Antonio played 30 minutes/game at UTK: CHECK -
Antonio played 7-8 minutes/game at Memphis: CHECK -

Did I use your system correct? Just give me a CHECK or CHECK -...

It's amazing bigbob understands the logic, yet stammers fails to grasp it.

Odd.

(03-02-2015 04:34 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:05 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Jalen Kendrick. Kicked off.
Tariq Black. Benched at Kansas same as here
Kuran Iverson? Picked up by Rhode Island, really? He did himself in


Defect(ive) logic

Tarik Black; benched WORST than here. Antonio Barton didn't improve either.

Hold on there amigo. By your points per game logic Antonio did improve at Tennessee. He scored more per game than under pastner the previous year. He also had double the total assists/season.

Do you use stats only selectively?

Oh that's right. You do.

We missed you the last few days. Still licking your wounds?

I guess if someone is simple that is the way they would look at it. I know you got very excited at the prospect of being right for the first time in your life.

He had 2.1 assists per game playing 25 minutes as the starting point guard. His shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage were the worst of his career.

I guess according to your Pastner hating logic, that qualifies as improvement. Very impressive.

(03-02-2015 06:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:34 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:05 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Jalen Kendrick. Kicked off.
Tariq Black. Benched at Kansas same as here
Kuran Iverson? Picked up by Rhode Island, really? He did himself in


Defect(ive) logic

Tarik Black; benched WORST than here. Antonio Barton didn't improve either.

Hold on there amigo. By your points per game logic Antonio did improve at Tennessee. He scored more per game than under pastner the previous year. He also had double the total assists/season.

Do you use stats only selectively?

Oh that's right. You do.

We missed you the last few days. Still licking your wounds?

I guess if someone is simple that is the way they would look at it. I know you got very excited at the prospect of being right for the first time in your life.

He had 2.1 assists per game playing 25 minutes as the starting point guard. His shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage were the worst of his career.

I guess according to your Pastner hating logic, that qualifies as improvement. Very impressive.

Lmao

(03-02-2015 06:04 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:34 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:05 PM)bigbob Wrote:  Jalen Kendrick. Kicked off.
Tariq Black. Benched at Kansas same as here
Kuran Iverson? Picked up by Rhode Island, really? He did himself in


Defect(ive) logic

Tarik Black; benched WORST than here. Antonio Barton didn't improve either.

Hold on there amigo. By your points per game logic Antonio did improve at Tennessee. He scored more per game than under pastner the previous year. He also had double the total assists/season.

Do you use stats only selectively?

Oh that's right. You do.

We missed you the last few days. Still licking your wounds?

I guess if someone is simple that is the way they would look at it. I know you got very excited at the prospect of being right for the first time in your life.

He had 2.1 assists per game playing 25 minutes as the starting point guard. His shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage were the worst of his career.

I guess according to your Pastner hating logic, that qualifies as improvement. Very impressive.

Lmao

Improvement.

LMAO.

(03-02-2015 06:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:04 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:34 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Tarik Black; benched WORST than here. Antonio Barton didn't improve either.

Hold on there amigo. By your points per game logic Antonio did improve at Tennessee. He scored more per game than under pastner the previous year. He also had double the total assists/season.

Do you use stats only selectively?

Oh that's right. You do.

We missed you the last few days. Still licking your wounds?

I guess if someone is simple that is the way they would look at it. I know you got very excited at the prospect of being right for the first time in your life.

He had 2.1 assists per game playing 25 minutes as the starting point guard. His shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage were the worst of his career.

I guess according to your Pastner hating logic, that qualifies as improvement. Very impressive.

Lmao

Improvement.

LMAO.

All caps really makes a difference

(03-02-2015 06:08 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:04 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:34 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  Hold on there amigo. By your points per game logic Antonio did improve at Tennessee. He scored more per game than under pastner the previous year. He also had double the total assists/season.

Do you use stats only selectively?

Oh that's right. You do.

We missed you the last few days. Still licking your wounds?

I guess if someone is simple that is the way they would look at it. I know you got very excited at the prospect of being right for the first time in your life.

He had 2.1 assists per game playing 25 minutes as the starting point guard. His shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage were the worst of his career.

I guess according to your Pastner hating logic, that qualifies as improvement. Very impressive.

Lmao

Improvement.

LMAO.

All caps really makes a difference

Lmao really makes a difference when you claim that Barton improved, while putting up his worst shooting percentages and 3 point shooting percentages in his 4 year career.

LMAO.

(03-02-2015 06:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:08 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:04 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I guess if someone is simple that is the way they would look at it. I know you got very excited at the prospect of being right for the first time in your life.

He had 2.1 assists per game playing 25 minutes as the starting point guard. His shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage were the worst of his career.

I guess according to your Pastner hating logic, that qualifies as improvement. Very impressive.

Lmao

Improvement.

LMAO.

All caps really makes a difference

Lmao really makes a difference when you claim that Barton improved, while putting up his worst shooting percentages and 3 point shooting percentages in his 4 year career.

LMAO.

But but but. Mr stammers you always say that scoring more points is proof a player got better. Why are you bringing up other stats??? You never do that so I'm confused.

LMAO << looks a lot better in caps

(03-02-2015 06:17 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:08 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:04 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  Lmao

Improvement.

LMAO.

All caps really makes a difference

Lmao really makes a difference when you claim that Barton improved, while putting up his worst shooting percentages and 3 point shooting percentages in his 4 year career.

LMAO.

But but but. Mr stammers you always say that scoring more points is proof a player got better. Why are you bringing up other stats??? You never do that so I'm confused.

LMAO << looks a lot better in caps

Quote: I'm confused

No kidding.

LMAO.

FAULTIBILITY deserves it own thread. Is it the fault of the current or the responsibility of the homemaker to build elsewhere... (FAULTIBILITY)

(03-02-2015 06:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:17 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:08 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Improvement.

LMAO.

All caps really makes a difference

Lmao really makes a difference when you claim that Barton improved, while putting up his worst shooting percentages and 3 point shooting percentages in his 4 year career.

LMAO.

But but but. Mr stammers you always say that scoring more points is proof a player got better. Why are you bringing up other stats??? You never do that so I'm confused.

LMAO << looks a lot better in caps

Quote: I'm confused

No kidding.

LMAO.

Hahahahahhaha! You really know how to do tricks on a message board like that and cutting and pasting!

Good job mr stammers! We missed you on here. Looking forward to more of your intelligent posts.

Tell us more about why you think Josh is better than coach k.

(03-02-2015 06:23 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:17 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:08 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  All caps really makes a difference

Lmao really makes a difference when you claim that Barton improved, while putting up his worst shooting percentages and 3 point shooting percentages in his 4 year career.

LMAO.

But but but. Mr stammers you always say that scoring more points is proof a player got better. Why are you bringing up other stats??? You never do that so I'm confused.

LMAO << looks a lot better in caps

Quote: I'm confused

No kidding.

LMAO.

Hahahahahhaha! You really know how to do tricks on a message board like that and cutting and pasting!

Good job mr stammers! We missed you on here. Looking forward to more of your intelligent posts.

Tell us more about why you think Josh is better than coach k.

Good idea to change the subject after your hilarious Antonio Barton comments. Nothing left and nothing to say. This is more your speed.

(03-02-2015 06:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:23 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:17 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Lmao really makes a difference when you claim that Barton improved, while putting up his worst shooting percentages and 3 point shooting percentages in his 4 year career.

LMAO.

But but but. Mr stammers you always say that scoring more points is proof a player got better. Why are you bringing up other stats??? You never do that so I'm confused.

LMAO << looks a lot better in caps

Quote: I'm confused

No kidding.

LMAO.

Hahahahahhaha! You really know how to do tricks on a message board like that and cutting and pasting!

Good job mr stammers! We missed you on here. Looking forward to more of your intelligent posts.

Tell us more about why you think Josh is better than coach k.

Good idea to change the subject after your hilarious Antonio Barton comments. Nothing left and nothing to say. This is more your speed.

But but but mr stammers, you spent 100 posts saying players improved under pastner because they scored more points/game compared to a previous season with a different coach. You claimed to high heaven that is and was the case.

I'm just applying your logic to Antonio Barton. He scored more points/game at UT than under pastner.

Are you saying now your logic is flawed!?!? Oh please don't let that be the case mr stammers!!

(03-02-2015 06:44 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:23 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:17 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  But but but. Mr stammers you always say that scoring more points is proof a player got better. Why are you bringing up other stats??? You never do that so I'm confused.

LMAO << looks a lot better in caps

Quote: I'm confused

No kidding.

LMAO.

Hahahahahhaha! You really know how to do tricks on a message board like that and cutting and pasting!

Good job mr stammers! We missed you on here. Looking forward to more of your intelligent posts.

Tell us more about why you think Josh is better than coach k.

Good idea to change the subject after your hilarious Antonio Barton comments. Nothing left and nothing to say. This is more your speed.

But but but mr stammers, you spent 100 posts saying players improved under pastner because they scored more points/game compared to a previous season with a different coach. You claimed to high heaven that is and was the case.

I'm just applying your logic to Antonio Barton. He scored more points/game at UT than under pastner.

Are you saying now your logic is flawed!?!? Oh please don't let that be the case mr stammers!!

Quote: You claimed to high heaven that is and was the case.

I stated that points per game were an obvious part of obvious improvement and referenced improved shooting percentages all the way around, and better stats per game/minute. The problem with you is that there is ZERO chance that you understand anything that is more complex than "Pastner sucks." That is the only reason you are here.

I can't believe I'm doing this, but let's see how you do with this stuff.

2009: EW, Mack, Sallie, Kemp, Spoon, Niles
96.6 minutes
28 points
4.8 assists
4.9 turnovers
40.3% field goal
56.8% free throw
32.5% 3 point
.29 points per minute
.98/1 assist to turnover

2010: EW, Mack, Sallie, Kemp, Spoon, Niles
166.2 minutes
64.0 points
13.1 assists
9.9 turnovers
44.6% field goal
73.4% free throw
39.0% 3 point
.39 points per minute
1.3/1 assist to turnover

You are comparing this to Barton; whose shooting percentage was the 2nd worst out of his 4 years, his 3 point shooting was the worst of his career, whose points went up 1.9 points per game and whose assists went up to 2.1 from 1.1 per game?

I will give you a chance to redeem yourself. Who showed more improvement, the 2010 group or Antonio Barton. Try and think really really hard and see what you can come up with.

(03-02-2015 07:08 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  let's not provoke one another, cool? Some of us here have a hard enough time being civil to one another as it is. The last thing we need is provocation.

Let's see how he responds to the facts listed above this post.