Now...the UNC scandal book is out. Can't wait until this one finally hits the fan and is actually investigated, but I'm not holding my breath.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-...1425077434

(02-28-2015 03:26 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 11:28 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 10:56 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  Pat Forde wrote an article about cheating? Someone call the irony police.

Ya. What an idiot.

Hard to disagree with anything in the article. All the schools mentioned have basically cheated and nothing has happened.

Until the NCAA starts big time penalties such as making coaches miss a year and no-TV for year type penalties this stuff will continue.

Banning a school like UNC from TV in every sport for a year would send a msg.

It's not that I disagree with Forde about cheating going on; it's the fact that a guy who has befriended at least one cheater (Pitino) is writing about cheating by other people. That is the irony I alluded to earlier.

While it's certainly despicable, schools obviously cheat because they hope it eventually leads to big money. I condemn it, but I can understand the temptation to do it. My question has always been the fans who are OK with it, as well as the boosters who shovel all this money into players' pockets. When you stop and really think about it, what do we truly get out of having a winning college team? Bragging rights? Big f***** deal. Are some peoples' lives that vacant of anything substantive that they have to find meaning in a bunch of college kids playing sports? And if you know your school has to cheat to win, how pathetic can you be to get any sense of accomplishment from that?

While we've had a few individuals at UCF try to circumvent the rules a few times over the years, it's not as if there is a systemic cancer in our school and program. If I ever found out there were issues at UCF like the despicable fraud going on at North Carolina, I would dump my support in a heartbeat. I take pride in my program, because MOST people try to make the school and program successful honorably. If that means we can't recruit a bunch of 5-star knuckleheads who can't read at a 5th grade level without a bunch of "hundred-dollar handshakes," I'm ok with that. Anyone who's OK with it needs to take a hard look at themselves.

Cheating in NCAA sports gives you status that ESPN doesn't ignore when the NCAA's vacates the wins, restricts recruiting, scholarships, post season play, etc.

You made the Final Four but your wins are vacated? You still made the Final Four.
You won a NC in football but received a 3 year post season ban and scholarship reductions? You still won a NC.

In the system as it is, it pays to cheat if you do enough with it.

(03-02-2015 12:20 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 03:26 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 11:28 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 10:56 AM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  Pat Forde wrote an article about cheating? Someone call the irony police.

Ya. What an idiot.

Hard to disagree with anything in the article. All the schools mentioned have basically cheated and nothing has happened.

Until the NCAA starts big time penalties such as making coaches miss a year and no-TV for year type penalties this stuff will continue.

Banning a school like UNC from TV in every sport for a year would send a msg.

It's not that I disagree with Forde about cheating going on; it's the fact that a guy who has befriended at least one cheater (Pitino) is writing about cheating by other people. That is the irony I alluded to earlier.

Ding Ding!

Hey, as long as Pitino keeps inviting Forde to his exclusive Derby Party (and then box on race day), Forde will always slurp up for Pitino, just like he did in his book.

(03-02-2015 08:52 AM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  Cheating in NCAA sports gives you status that ESPN doesn't ignore when the NCAA's vacates the wins, restricts recruiting, scholarships, post season play, etc.

You made the Final Four but your wins are vacated? You still made the Final Four.
You won a NC in football but received a 3 year post season ban and scholarship reductions? You still won a NC.

In the system as it is, it pays to cheat if you do enough with it.

THIS
I've said this over and over. So banners come down, it's not like the memories for the fans are erased from their skulls.

And because of the exposure you also reaped extra money and probably also gained better recruits.

Truly cheating does pay off in college.

(03-02-2015 11:08 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:52 AM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  Cheating in NCAA sports gives you status that ESPN doesn't ignore when the NCAA's vacates the wins, restricts recruiting, scholarships, post season play, etc.

You made the Final Four but your wins are vacated? You still made the Final Four.
You won a NC in football but received a 3 year post season ban and scholarship reductions? You still won a NC.

In the system as it is, it pays to cheat if you do enough with it.

THIS
I've said this over and over. So banners come down, it's not like the memories for the fans are erased from their skulls.

And because of the exposure you also reaped extra money and probably also gained better recruits.

Truly cheating does pay off in college.

Then maybe the problem isn't the cheating, but the fact that there are so many restrictions that cheating can actually produce very viable and substantial results...

Its nice to be able to proudly say that your school has never been on probation for cheating. USF has accomplished amazing things in the very short time weve had a program and even though there have been set backs, we never resorted to cheating to get ahead.

I hate being on this list. I'm sure it will sound like sour grapes, but does factually reporting academic mishaps that were then punished ex post facto really amount to cheating to the point in which the school is now mentioned in a list with UNC who actively reported fraudelent grades?

I'm sure there are others on this list that have arguments as well, but I stopped caring about every school except UConn in the past few years.

Happy to see Forde remains the absolute worst though.

(03-02-2015 08:52 AM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  Cheating in NCAA sports gives you status that ESPN doesn't ignore when the NCAA's vacates the wins, restricts recruiting, scholarships, post season play, etc.

You made the Final Four but your wins are vacated? You still made the Final Four.
You won a NC in football but received a 3 year post season ban and scholarship reductions? You still won a NC.

In the system as it is, it pays to cheat if you do enough with it.

The only way to put a stop to it is banning them from TV. And the postseason. If your team is not on TV in this day and age you're done. That would be a deterrent that would work.

(02-28-2015 10:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/when-it-com...28701.html

Pat Forde has no credibility and is a complete joke, owned by UL sports.