(07-29-2015 02:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 01:01 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:21 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  The Hollins kids (both), yes they were misses but it we didn't need them, we had Will, JJ and Crawford. Makes it a little more difficult to recruit additions.

But I can agree with the development statement. I honestly think Josh doesn't put enough pressure on these kids to work in the offseason.

When previous players make comments that they told the current players they need to work harder that tells you something.

Joe Jackson spent a lot of time in the gym and worked very hard during his time here. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. It is a complete shame he lost his outside shot his senior season. By then his game was complete in every way. He was 100% improved in every phase from his freshman season.

JJ just quit shooting unless it was at the end of the game in desperation. I saw him pass on so many shots he normally would knock down.

Joe was LETHAL as a junior. Great shot selection and high %.

But why didn't he shoot more...When you are shooting 52% from the floor and 45% from the 3 and you always have the ball in your hands you should score more than 13.6 points a game unless you are being passive.

Adonis took 60 more shots than JJ for goodness sake.

JJ can't win with some people. If he would taken more shots, people would have said he was a hog and wasn't a true point guard. JJ's game as a junior was very solid all around. I think he shot just about the right amount and distributed the ball very well. One of the reasons he shot that well was because he didn't put up bad shots.

His senior season he was even better at running the team, but his outside shot left him, he lost confidence and passed up a lot of good shots.

(07-29-2015 02:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  ...

But why didn't he shoot more...When you are shooting 52% from the floor and 45% from the 3 and you always have the ball in your hands you should score more than 13.6 points a game unless you are being passive.

Adonis took 60 more shots than JJ for goodness sake.

I think you answered your own question.

(07-29-2015 02:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  JJ can't win with some people. If he would taken more shots, people would have said he was a hog and wasn't a true point guard. JJ's game as a junior was very solid all around. I think he shot just about the right amount and distributed the ball very well. One of the reasons he shot that well was because he didn't put up bad shots.

His senior season he was even better at running the team, but his outside shot left him, he lost confidence and passed up a lot of good shots.

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JJ just quit shooting unless it was at the end of the game in desperation. I saw him pass on so many shots he normally would knock down.
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Joe was LETHAL as a junior. Great shot selection and high %.
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But why didn't he shoot more...When you are shooting 52% from the floor and 45% from the 3 and you always have the ball in your hands you should score more than 13.6 points a game unless you are being passive.

Adonis took 60 more shots than JJ for goodness sake.
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JJ can't win with some people. If he would taken more shots, people would have said he was a hog and wasn't a true point guard. JJ's game as a junior was very solid all around. I think he shot just about the right amount and distributed the ball very well. One of the reasons he shot that well was because he didn't put up bad shots.

His senior season he was even better at running the team, but his outside shot left him, he lost confidence and passed up a lot of good shots.
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I just thought it was strange to see him pass on so many shots he took as a sophomore or junior, His shot was solid as a Junior and early in his senior year. I am no expert but it looked to me he was scared to shoot or has just lost confidence in his shot altogether. It was frustrating to watch him pass on shots because JJ was probably our best scoring option.

(07-29-2015 02:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 02:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 01:01 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:21 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Joe Jackson spent a lot of time in the gym and worked very hard during his time here. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. It is a complete shame he lost his outside shot his senior season. By then his game was complete in every way. He was 100% improved in every phase from his freshman season.

JJ just quit shooting unless it was at the end of the game in desperation. I saw him pass on so many shots he normally would knock down.

Joe was LETHAL as a junior. Great shot selection and high %.

But why didn't he shoot more...When you are shooting 52% from the floor and 45% from the 3 and you always have the ball in your hands you should score more than 13.6 points a game unless you are being passive.

Adonis took 60 more shots than JJ for goodness sake.

JJ can't win with some people. If he would taken more shots, people would have said he was a hog and wasn't a true point guard. JJ's game as a junior was very solid all around. I think he shot just about the right amount and distributed the ball very well. One of the reasons he shot that well was because he didn't put up bad shots.

His senior season he was even better at running the team, but his outside shot left him, he lost confidence and passed up a lot of good shots.

I love JJ and think he was passive because that is what he was taught to do...

I wanted him to shoot more...You never heard me complain about him shooting too much or taking bad shots...I defended him when Pastner pulled him for being aggressive but JJ finally learned that aggressiveness is not rewarded, only success. The staff has to teach him how to be both aggressive and successful.

And if he passed up a bunch of good shots his senior year (took 1.3 more shots) when he was missing, just think how many GOOD shots he passed up his junior year when he was hitting.

Something happened after that Connecticut game. We lost and the refs had a lot to do with the loss, but I dunno if it was that..JJ just wasn't the same after that game. Seemed like he lost some of his mojo. smh It freaked me.

(07-29-2015 10:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:47 AM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:24 AM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  I think Joe Jackson pretty much put a nail in the coffin of Josh's hopes of recruiting guards at Memphis. Joe lost his game and pretty much floundered most of his career in memphis. He was never happy and never realized his potential under Pastner's guidance. So, why would the next blue chip memphis guard want to come to memphis?

The only "Blue Chip" HS guard to come out of Memphis since JJ has been Chiozza and Josh didn't want him until it was too late. He was there for the taking but we got to the table late.

What about the Hollins kid? The point is that Josh has done a terrible job developing guards. I think Chris Crawford actually got worse from his Freshman to senior season...............and he is one of the programs "success" stories.

The Hollins kids (both), yes they were misses but it we didn't need them, we had Will, JJ and Crawford. Makes it a little more difficult to recruit additions.

But I can agree with the development statement. I honestly think Josh doesn't put enough pressure on these kids to work in the offseason.

When previous players make comments that they told the current players they need to work harder that tells you something.

Joe Jackson spent a lot of time in the gym and worked very hard during his time here. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. It is a complete shame he lost his outside shot his senior season. By then his game was complete in every way. He was 100% improved in every phase from his freshman season.

I think it was the brother in laws fault. It's a good thing cjp fired him. You gotta make shots yo!!!

In Joe’s senior year we went to the 3-guard lineup the entire season, sometimes 4. With no real penetrating guard most of their shots came from the perimeter. I think this changed the chemistry of the backcourt with one more mouth to feed. Anyway…

Joe, Chris, and Geron ALL had worst seasons as seniors compared to their junior year.

(07-30-2015 04:53 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  In Joe’s senior year we went to the 3-guard lineup the entire season, sometimes 4. With no real penetrating guard most of their shots came from the perimeter. I think this changed the chemistry of the backcourt with one more mouth to feed. Anyway…

Joe, Chris, and Geron ALL had worst seasons as seniors compared to their junior year.

Who left? Antonio Barton shot well from outside, but he didn't penetrate at all and didn't create shots for anyone. Adonis hovered on the perimeter and certainly didn't penetrate or create shots for anyone. DJ crashed the boards, but he sure wasn't creating space for anyone.

They were essentially replaced by Dixon and King. Dixon was a much better penetrator than AB and King versus Adonis/DJ was a wash.

The entire offense revolved around JJ. He had a very good season, ran the team very well, but couldn't find his shot. If he keeps defenses honest by shooting a higher percentage from outside, it opens up everything for everyone else on offense, especially Shaq and Austin.

Basically, JJ and Geron's awful outside shooting doomed us. You may have noticed (that was a joke, of course you didn't) that defenses sagged off of us big time the entire season. By swapping out Adonis and AB for Dixon, our ability to penetrate improved considerably. Your theory makes no sense.