This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

+1

(02-26-2015 12:12 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

+1

So you're stepping out on a limb and claiming when we get Laettner, Hurley and Grant Hill like players we might have a chance?

http://www.drodd.com/animal-house-sound/..._great.wav

Proves Pastner is the Anti-Krzyzewski.

Pastner will retire as a hall of fame legend. The archives of this board will be an obscure footnote to the stupidity of a fanbase

I don't think this even a valid question.

(02-26-2015 12:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Pastner will retire as a hall of fame legend. The archives of this board will be an obscure footnote to the stupidity of a fanbase

Cool story, bro.

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

I'm still kinda on the fence concerning Coach P, I'm not blinded by unbelief in him, or as some call it, a Pastner boot licker. But I'm beginning to see growth in him as a coach. Just the fact that he has started playing a zone, and pressing a bit more, things that I've been told came from Coach Lawson, for what it's worth, shows me a willingness to change. Every Coach that ended up being great, for the most part, went through trying times to make or break them.

Just by hiring another Coach may not get us back to the 'level' that some are calling for. Coach is still a young man, the type of coach that could give a program long term stability, and at a school like Memphis, that's important. I'm fine with whatever happens with him concerning this job, but I remember Tommy West, when he became the coach at Memphis, stating that Memphis hired a better Coach than the one that was fired when he was let go by Clemson. I still think that he's going to be a great coach eventually, whether it's here or at another school. I had a conversation with someone that would know, and he told me that we would be surprised at how much Coach really does know about x's and o's, and that his stubbornness was really the biggest problem. That's one of the reasons that I stated that I see growth. In the past he would have never played a zone, this year is going to serve him well going forth.

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Let us know when Laettner, Hurley and Hill show up.

#FIRSTINLINE

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

(02-26-2015 12:15 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:12 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

+1

So you're stepping out on a limb and claiming when we get Laettner, Hurley and Grant Hill like players we might have a chance?

http://www.drodd.com/animal-house-sound/..._great.wav

i wonder if it was easier to recruit players like Laettner, Hurley and Hill to the ACC than it would be to recruit them to the AAC.

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

More important than math was Laettner, Hurley and Hill strolling in.

I'm just curious, what are you guys seeing him do that leads you to believe he is going to be a HOF coach one day?

(02-26-2015 12:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:15 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:12 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

+1

So you're stepping out on a limb and claiming when we get Laettner, Hurley and Grant Hill like players we might have a chance?

http://www.drodd.com/animal-house-sound/..._great.wav

i wonder if it was easier to recruit players like Laettner, Hurley and Hill to the ACC than it would be to recruit them to the AAC.

Duke vs Memphis is not a real fight. And I'm a alumni of Memphis.

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Yeah, his 6th year at duke was his 11th year overall. And that's oh-so-casual math.

So, then you are really only comparing his first 5 years at Army and only his first year at Duke? I mean cause clearly his time at Army is comparable to JP's the situation had in first 5 years at Memphis.

Again, it is silly and deceptive to act like JP and Coach K's first years as coaches can be similarly compared. And this argument could be made for any coach just starting out.

(02-26-2015 12:31 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I'm just curious, what are you guys seeing him do that leads you to believe he is going to be a HOF coach one day?

He was young when hired at Memphis just like Coach K. What more do you need?

(02-26-2015 12:39 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  So, then you are really only comparing his first 5 years at Army and only his first year at Duke? I mean cause clearly his time at Army is comparable to JP's the situation had in first 5 years at Memphis.

Again, it is silly and deceptive to act like JP and Coach K's first years as coaches can be similarly compared. And this argument could be made for any coach just starting out.

why is it silly? it's not like JP was left with a stable of all conference players.
Tell me what coache's first 6 years would be comparable.

(02-26-2015 12:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  This post is not an endorsement or critique of Pastner.

It provides information information for discussion.

You're either the AD or one of the big $$ boosters. You are tired of being a doormat. You want to move to the next level. But the names you want aren't interested. Now you have to find someone to hire -- anyone.

You take a chance on a 33-year-old coach who has 5 years D1A head coaching experience. His record over those 5 years is 73–59 (.553) with just one NIT appearance, not a win, just an appearance.

His first season he gets you to the 3rd round of the NIT but follows it up with back-to-back 17-loss seasons with no post-season appearances. And that 3rd season ended with a 43-point loss in your conference tourney.

His first three seasons as your head coach he puts up a record of 38-47 (.447).

This brings his record after eight seasons as a D1A head coach to 111-106 (.512).

Everyone's calling for his head from students, to casual fans, and most importantly the big $ boosters. Eight years of mediocrity including three years of failure as your coach will definitely get the fan base rumbling.

The AD shut down all speculation by granting a 5-year extension. He took some serious heat for that.

But now everybody's happy. Heck, 11 Final Fours and four national championships would make most fan bases happy.

His record over those first eight seasons of his head coaching career is why you don't see Krzyzewski's name in those Top 10 by Wins lists in the Tracking Pastner thread.

Just a really deceptive post. First off Coach K's first 5 years were spent coaching at Army (which he got to the NIT in his third year). Secondly, it is oh so casually excluded that he took Duke to the National championship game in his 6th year there.

So, if JP takes Memphis to a National Championship game by his 6th year then I am sure the fan base will all be for keeping him... Oh wait...

Let us know when Laettner, Hurley and Hill show up.

#FIRSTINLINE

We should find the coach who can recruit that type of player to come to Memphis. Like cal was able to do.

(02-26-2015 12:46 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:39 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  So, then you are really only comparing his first 5 years at Army and only his first year at Duke? I mean cause clearly his time at Army is comparable to JP's the situation had in first 5 years at Memphis.

Again, it is silly and deceptive to act like JP and Coach K's first years as coaches can be similarly compared. And this argument could be made for any coach just starting out.

why is it silly? it's not like JP was left with a stable of all conference players.
Tell me what coache's first 6 years would be comparable.

C'mon now. What JP inherited wasn't complete slaw. And he was gift-wrapped EW.