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RE: Broncos play USC
On the upside, it's a nice treat and bonus for players and staff, not to mention some fans who can make the trip. It's like a mini bowl game. While it may not single-handedly help recruiting or be that 'one thing' to win a sought after recruit, a trip to the Coliseum in L.A. is a nice sell for kids coming on board. It's a cool circle on the calendar.

It's not like we recruit the West Coast (unless you were Darnell stocking up on College of the Canyon transfers as a job saving grasp). But it's nice to spread our brand name beyond the corn belt.

The downside has already been mentioned. Two powers to begin a schedule likely puts us in an immediate 0-2 hole. But it's not like it's that uncommon. And who knows what could happen in the future. We've gotten manhandled by Indiana and Iowa, yet took "big power" Florida State down to the final play. Depends on timing.
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Quote:The biggest downside I see is that now in 2017 - like in 2015 - we have two games on the schedule we are very unlikely to win (at MSU in 2017 being the other).

I would take a nonconference schedule like 2016 (at NW, at Illinois, Georgia Southern, FCS TBD) over 2015 and 2017 any day. Assuming the program continues to improve, there's not an unwinnable game in that bunch. We play three FBS schools that we should be very competitive with.

IMO, there's three different different strategies to make a non-easy OOC schedule:

a) Play 3 G5s + 1 "easy" P5. No FCS teams. Of the 3 G5s, 2 are consistently decent but not powerful, 1 is easy.
EXAMPLE: Temple, @Midd-Tenn, @Army, @Purdue
PROS: With a decent team, you can bank on going 2-2, and possibly 3-1. However, in a good year, a decent shot at 4-0 to be seen as an "overrated" G5 powerhouse.
CONS: With bad luck in a road-season you can go 1-3.

b) Play 4 P5s: 2 "easy", 2 reasonably difficult; no given-to-be-ranked P5. But, no gimmies. I think UMass of last year.
EXAMPLE: BC, Colorado, @Vandy, @Penn-State
PROS: With a decent team, you'll go 1-3 against P5s. Possibly 2-2 when you get even home-away games (but less money), on a good year. Helps Build a program.
CONS: Bank on going 1-3, and on not so good years, 0-4. You risk it backfiring. You need to be at least a Toledo to deal with this to make that jump into "G5 Elite". Too early for us.

c) Play 2 Super-Power P5s; 1 Easy G5; 1 FCS
EXAMPLE: @MSU, @Ohio-State, @Army, Alcorn State
PROS: You have a given 2-2 on any decent year. It would take a bad year to go 1-3, but you can always say "We played 2 super powers!" and still have conf season to build up and end it right.
CONS: You're always going to lose 2 games until you're at Boise Level; and even then, at best, going 3-1. At NIU level consistently, you may be able to take out a super-power down year when they're not one and struggling for even a ranking.

This upcoming year, we're basically ©, but instead of an easy G5 we have a Power-G5... not a good strategy at This Point. Would be fine for 2017.
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RE: Broncos play USC
I expect us to be highly competitive and put together good showings against Top-20 teams like USC by the year 2017.
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(02-26-2015 02:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  IMO, there's three different different strategies to make a non-easy OOC schedule:
a) Play 3 G5s + 1 "easy" P5. No FCS teams. Of the 3 G5s, 2 are consistently decent but not powerful, 1 is easy.
b) Play 4 P5s: 2 "easy", 2 reasonably difficult; no given-to-be-ranked P5. But, no gimmies. I think UMass of last year. EXAMPLE: BC, Colorado, @Vandy, @Penn-State
c) Play 2 Super-Power P5s; 1 Easy G5; 1 FCS

BG has an interesting - and challenging - 2015 nonconference schedule: Tennessee (in Nashville), at Maryland, Memphis (home), at Purdue. 3 P5s (none at home), and one very good G5. I don't see BG beating Tennessee, but the other three games could be winnable if they play well.
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(02-26-2015 04:59 AM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  Let's play one big time opponent a year. Get a big check, which the reality is, it is needed. And expose both your athletes and program to big time football.

One "big time" opponent a year would be fine with me. I'd prefer to avoid two in the same season. We don't need the "big time" opponents for the big check - IIRC we got 900K from Purdue for last season's game. 2017 and 2019 may be exceptions to this, though, for this reason: the athletic department is likely going to receive a much smaller payout from MSU for our games at Spartan Stadium in those two seasons:

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/...tball.html

I don't know if the fine print has changed at all since the deal was made in 2009, but according to the article:

Two games in each series will be treated as home-and-home, meaning each host school will keep the entire gate, which is typical, Hollis said. In the two games MSU hosts against each team, it will pay a reduced guaranteed appearance fee that won't come close to approaching the $1 million-plus visiting teams - even from mid-major conferences -- command.

This is why EMU dropped its 2016 game at MSU and its home game with MSU in 2020. They replaced those games with two games at Mizzou (and $2.5 million for the two games). If we're getting vastly reduced payouts from MSU in 2017 and 2019, it would make financial sense for the athletic department to seek the large payout a P5 program such as USC can offer for an away game in those two seasons.
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RE: Broncos play USC
To me this is a no brainer. It's a marquee event much like the ND, Florida St., and Nebraska games were. You don't have to win. Just stay competitive and take the free PR that goes with it.

It's a great recruiting tool as well.

What I find even more intriguing is that a former WMU football player who is a billionaire was the one who brokered it.

In other news, the Slappies want Heeke to call Dick Enberg and have them get a game with UCLA in the Rose Bowl. Not making it up. No offense to Enberg, but the guy is pushing 90. Maybe they should get that Amy Roloff, the dwarf alum from Big World Little People on TLC. Their pumpkin farm is in Oregon. Maybe she can get them a game with the Ducks 03-lmfao
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Gores has a place on the lake here here in Holland. His kids went to West Ottawa so he still has some roots in western Michigan.
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(02-26-2015 04:43 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  For those who didn't see the article...

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...am_27.html

Quote:Gores, who has a net worth of $2.1 billion, according to Forbes, said it was a proud moment to make the 2017 game happen.

Mr. Gores please open the checkbook and pay for new video board and stadium renovation. Gores Statdium, not bad. Too bad I wasn't friends with him when I went to Western.
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RE: Broncos play USC
Quote:Two games in each series will be treated as home-and-home, meaning each host school will keep the entire gate, which is typical, Hollis said. In the two games MSU hosts against each team, it will pay a reduced guaranteed appearance fee that won't come close to approaching the $1 million-plus visiting teams - even from mid-major conferences -- command.

If I'm reading this right -- and maybe I'm not -- it kinda makes sense. OK, you want to host us? Fine. 2 of the 4 games we have in the future, will be home-and-home, since we'll treat it the same way as if you're a "real team". You keep what you bring in for the most part, we keep what we bring in for ours.

Am I missing something?

Within the 4 games, We are going to host one. Okay. We then treat another as a trade-off, home-and-home respectively. I don't see the issue... I would Expect that, right?
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(02-27-2015 01:36 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:Two games in each series will be treated as home-and-home, meaning each host school will keep the entire gate, which is typical, Hollis said. In the two games MSU hosts against each team, it will pay a reduced guaranteed appearance fee that won't come close to approaching the $1 million-plus visiting teams - even from mid-major conferences -- command.

If I'm reading this right -- and maybe I'm not -- it kinda makes sense. OK, you want to host us? Fine. 2 of the 4 games we have in the future, will be home-and-home, since we'll treat it the same way as if you're a "real team". You keep what you bring in for the most part, we keep what we bring in for ours.

Am I missing something?

I was a little confused by that as well, mainly because I have no idea what the contract specifically spells out between us and MSU.

"Each host school will keep the entire gate" once. Obviously, we get to keep the entire gate in 2015. We already played at MSU once as part of this agreement (2011, IIRC). I take that to mean that once - either back in 2011, or in 2017 or 2019 - MSU gets to keep the entire gate. I don't know which year MSU keeps the gate, but if it's 2017, the agreement with USC makes a lot of financial sense.

Also IIRC MSU was going to keep the entire gate from its home game with EMU in 2016, which is why EMU worked to free itself from the agreement with MSU.
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RE: Broncos play USC
Quote:Obviously, we get to keep the entire gate in 2015. We already played at MSU once as part of this agreement (2011, IIRC). I take that to mean that once - either back in 2011, or in 2017 or 2019 - MSU gets to keep the entire gate.

Well, here's the thing. If we're playing a team -- any team -- always at their place, yeah, that's fine -- but we should split the pot if we're always going there. OK.

Now, if we're going to do a home-and-home thing, as the article says is the norm, sure, you each take your own home amount. That's fair.

Us having MSU play at our house -- I think it would be unfair for US to say "Hey, we split it at your place always, and for you to come to our place, which will bring less financial reward for anyone, we'll split it here, too." MSU fairly would say "No. Here, since We are going out of our way to play at your place in which we don't need to -- and will be Less of a financial boon for us, you can keep all your money there which Will be one of your biggest home games, and we'll keep all from ours -- we'll treat it in a home-and-home situation embedded in our umpteen meetings, since we're going out of our way to play at Your house which isn't necessary."

So basically, if we're going to have a "Big Boy" come to our house, very understandably, we treat our house like we Are a "big boy". I think that's fair.

Basically, we're not paying them anything at all. We're just not Sacrificing and giving them a leg up (always going there) to get more money in return. EMU obviously would still Need to do that; we don't.

It'd be the same as if we were playing, say, Nevada for a home-and-home, right? You take yours, we'll take ours. If Nevada Really wanted a home-and-home and we were a bit apathetic about it as we could get other options to bring in cash, while Nevada, say, brings in 20% more $$ for their home games, we could say "Okay, fine, we'll split each game for both of us then," since that'd be a bit more financially advantageous for us than you-take-yours-i'll-take-mine, as they get more attendance $$.

In the End: It would SHOCK me if MSU decided to do a home-and-home with us, CMU, or EMU, and expect to go splits on both games. They have otherwise No advantage coming to our house... only a disadvantage. So they make up for it by saying "Okay, we'll at least get some more cash out of this. If we split it halfsies for both, we'd bring home $250k + $750k=1 Million. Instead, let's have WMU keep theirs, and we'll keep ours. We'll get 1.5 million that way. Us, MSU, are getting the same amount as if both were in our house (split $1.5m twice), for putting a road game on our schedule in exchange for going to Their house.
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