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RE: What will it take for CUSA to get multiple teams dancing?
(02-23-2015 03:41 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  It's going to take some luck for ODU to make it. There are a whole bunch of power conference teams with 7-10 losses, a loss or two from some of these and ODU finishing out the regular season with Ws makes it. There are plenty of 10 or even 11 loss teams like NC State and Oregon making noise with top 10 wins though, a couple more of those are possible and that leaves ODU out.

I just think that there are too many middling Big East, MWC and A10 teams to take up the spots. I'll be pissed if a 9 or 10 loss AAC team gets in over a 7 loss ODU, none of Cinci, Tulsa or Temple have looked that impressive.

The selection committee has proven time and time again that they favor the P5 conferences, Big East and A10
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(02-23-2015 03:35 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 03:13 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 02:41 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 01:06 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Play with different scenarios here:
http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/index.html

I don't think any of those teams but ODU can be considered bubble.

Yes you are correct bubble NIT

Nope, you're wrong. ODU is still talking about the BIG dance.
http://q.usatoday.com/2015/02/22/ncaa-to...d-of-68-2/

At-large my arse, ODU is fifth in a one bid league

By all means don't let informed opinions or facts get in the way of your crazy. Fifth in the league and still the best (and only possible at large caliber) resume in conference.
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RE: What will it take for CUSA to get multiple teams dancing?
If your RPI isn't at LEAST in the low 40's, you won't get as much as a sniff from the committee.

No CUSA team is getting an at-large with an RPI in the 50's or 60's....and probably not the 40's. And the 30's isn't a sure thing either.
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RE: What will it take for CUSA to get multiple teams dancing?
(02-23-2015 12:04 PM)TTT Wrote:  Let's look at the top RPI teams in the leage:

La Tech 20-7, RPI #66, record vs top-50 RPI 0-2
UTEP 19-7, RPI #60, record vs top-50 RPI 2-2
ODU 20-6, RPI #48, record vs top-50 1-0


La Tech's remaining schedule: (all home games) UTEP (RPI #60), UTSA (RPI #214), and USM (RPI #310).....2-1 is very likely....3-0 is doable, putting them at 23-7 or 22-8 and somewhere around the 70 RPI range (the 214 and 310 RPI games will bring them down some....)

UTEP's remaining schedule: @ La Tech (RPI#60), @ USM (RPI#310), home vs North Texas (RPI#212), and Rice (RPI#269)....4-0 is doable but 3-1 is more likely....putting them 23-7 or 22-8 and RPI somewhere in the 70s (thanks to USM, UNT, and Rice).

ODU's remaining schedule: @ Rice (RPI#269), @ North Texas (RPI#212), home games vs Marshall (RPI#298), and WKU (RPI#122)...4-0 is doable and 3-1 is likely...putting them somewhere around 24-6 or 23-7 and an RPI in the high 60's.


...not to mention, you've got the conference championship game. What needs to happen for CUSA to get the MAX number of teams dancing? Who needs to beat who down the stretch of the regular season? Which upsets would be DEVASTATING for CUSA that would SECURE we only get 1 bid into the dance? Who needs to beat who in the CUSA tourney so we can keep our 3 highest ranked RPI teams (La Tech, UTEP, and ODU) in a good RPI-position to get a sniff at the dance.

What's it gonna take for CUSA to get 2 or 3 teams dancing? Is 3 even possible????

See USM from the previous two years and you have your answer. RPI in the low to mid 30's and NIT bound.
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(02-23-2015 03:46 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 03:41 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  It's going to take some luck for ODU to make it. There are a whole bunch of power conference teams with 7-10 losses, a loss or two from some of these and ODU finishing out the regular season with Ws makes it. There are plenty of 10 or even 11 loss teams like NC State and Oregon making noise with top 10 wins though, a couple more of those are possible and that leaves ODU out.

I just think that there are too many middling Big East, MWC and A10 teams to take up the spots. I'll be pissed if a 9 or 10 loss AAC team gets in over a 7 loss ODU, none of Cinci, Tulsa or Temple have looked that impressive.

The selection committee has proven time and time again that they favor the P5 conferences, Big East and A10

Temple has their domination of Kansas, Cinci has a W over San Diego St. and Tulsa have nothing other than a streak in conference play and a DII loss. UTEP were a couple of shots away from being a lock. Had Tech managed to hold out at Syracuse, who knows? I don't think there's enough to include UTEP and Tech in the discussion as the results didn't go their way, but they're as good as those AAC bubble teams. I've been saying that road games in this conference (any conference really) are tough, there's no shame in ODU losing at WKU, MT, UAB, UTSA and UTEP, but an at large team has to win at UTSA and one of the others at least.

There are way too many scenarios for me to say whether ODU will get an at large, I think they deserve it as much as half the teams on the bubble watch, but you're right, those other teams will get the nod over ODU unless they lose again.
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(02-23-2015 03:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(02-23-2015 01:15 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  The only chance CUSA has of getting two teams in the Dance (three is not even possible) is for the following to happen:

1. ODU wins out in the regular season and gets to the Tourney CG.
2. Winner of La Tech/UTEP this week wins out in the regular season and beats ODU in the Tourney CG.

Otherwise, CUSA will be a one bid league.

This is the only way I can see it happening, and even in this scenario ODU is on the bubble and would need some love from the selection committee.

Our RPI would be around 31. With our top 100 wins and OOC performance, we'd be a lock.

No you wouldn't. There is no such thing as a lock when it comes to CUSA. Those good wins have been offset with a couple of bad losses from an RPI and perception standpoint. You're in the conversation for an at-large but you're on the back end of that conversation and not the forefront.
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RE: What will it take for CUSA to get multiple teams dancing?
(02-23-2015 03:58 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 12:04 PM)TTT Wrote:  Let's look at the top RPI teams in the leage:

La Tech 20-7, RPI #66, record vs top-50 RPI 0-2
UTEP 19-7, RPI #60, record vs top-50 RPI 2-2
ODU 20-6, RPI #48, record vs top-50 1-0


La Tech's remaining schedule: (all home games) UTEP (RPI #60), UTSA (RPI #214), and USM (RPI #310).....2-1 is very likely....3-0 is doable, putting them at 23-7 or 22-8 and somewhere around the 70 RPI range (the 214 and 310 RPI games will bring them down some....)

UTEP's remaining schedule: @ La Tech (RPI#60), @ USM (RPI#310), home vs North Texas (RPI#212), and Rice (RPI#269)....4-0 is doable but 3-1 is more likely....putting them 23-7 or 22-8 and RPI somewhere in the 70s (thanks to USM, UNT, and Rice).

ODU's remaining schedule: @ Rice (RPI#269), @ North Texas (RPI#212), home games vs Marshall (RPI#298), and WKU (RPI#122)...4-0 is doable and 3-1 is likely...putting them somewhere around 24-6 or 23-7 and an RPI in the high 60's.


...not to mention, you've got the conference championship game. What needs to happen for CUSA to get the MAX number of teams dancing? Who needs to beat who down the stretch of the regular season? Which upsets would be DEVASTATING for CUSA that would SECURE we only get 1 bid into the dance? Who needs to beat who in the CUSA tourney so we can keep our 3 highest ranked RPI teams (La Tech, UTEP, and ODU) in a good RPI-position to get a sniff at the dance.

What's it gonna take for CUSA to get 2 or 3 teams dancing? Is 3 even possible????

See USM from the previous two years and you have your answer. RPI in the low to mid 30's and NIT bound.

Exactly, Tech beat a ranked Oklahoma team last year in Oklahoma, tied for share of the regular season conference title and lost in the Conference Championship game.

Sorry ODU low to mid thirties RPI is no lock. In fact if the scenario plays exactly the way is described with ODU going to the conference championship and losing. ODU is still NIT bound. Don't even get yours hopes up, especially with ODU conference play. it ain't happening. It has been proven time and time again
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We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.
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(02-23-2015 04:10 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 03:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(02-23-2015 01:15 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  The only chance CUSA has of getting two teams in the Dance (three is not even possible) is for the following to happen:

1. ODU wins out in the regular season and gets to the Tourney CG.
2. Winner of La Tech/UTEP this week wins out in the regular season and beats ODU in the Tourney CG.

Otherwise, CUSA will be a one bid league.

This is the only way I can see it happening, and even in this scenario ODU is on the bubble and would need some love from the selection committee.

Our RPI would be around 31. With our top 100 wins and OOC performance, we'd be a lock.

No you wouldn't. There is no such thing as a lock when it comes to CUSA. Those good wins have been offset with a couple of bad losses from an RPI and perception standpoint. You're in the conversation for an at-large but you're on the back end of that conversation and not the forefront.

Good Post. That's how delusional ODU fans are.
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(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

Yep you are correct, but somehow a fifth place team in a one bid league (this year) will get in 01-wingedeagle
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95% chance of being a one-bid league.
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Good thread topic. Someone needs to win out until the conference tournament championship game and then lose to one of the other top 2 teams mentioned on the list. My heart tells me that we can get 2, but reality says 1. CUSA is seen as a weak basketball league and that's probably justified. Not to change the subject matter, but CUSA needs to think about adding a couple of really good basketball-only schools to lift the RPI. That, or Western Kentucky and UAB need to get really good again. Quickly. We need a team in the top 25 every year. CUSA is a forgotten conference in basketball. Our representatives need to make noise in these tournaments.
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(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

Exactly. ODU can't be a lock but hopefully a better OOC schedule and more top 100 wins will work in our favor.

This is assuming the Monarchs don't drop another game (or lose before the finals) which is by no means a given.
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(02-23-2015 04:31 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

Exactly. ODU can't be a lock but hopefully a better OOC schedule and more top 100 wins will work in our favor.

This is assuming the Monarchs don't drop another game (or lose before the finals) which is by no means a given.

RPI will have to dip well into the 30's to even get consideration.

Not saying it's right, but that's how it is.
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(02-23-2015 04:31 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

Exactly. ODU can't be a lock but hopefully a better OOC schedule and more top 100 wins will work in our favor.

This is assuming the Monarchs don't drop another game (or lose before the finals) which is by no means a given.

Sorry it won't, the committee will look at ODU complete body of work and especially conference play and ODU will be the first out
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(02-23-2015 04:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 04:10 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 03:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(02-23-2015 01:15 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  The only chance CUSA has of getting two teams in the Dance (three is not even possible) is for the following to happen:

1. ODU wins out in the regular season and gets to the Tourney CG.
2. Winner of La Tech/UTEP this week wins out in the regular season and beats ODU in the Tourney CG.

Otherwise, CUSA will be a one bid league.

This is the only way I can see it happening, and even in this scenario ODU is on the bubble and would need some love from the selection committee.

Our RPI would be around 31. With our top 100 wins and OOC performance, we'd be a lock.

No you wouldn't. There is no such thing as a lock when it comes to CUSA. Those good wins have been offset with a couple of bad losses from an RPI and perception standpoint. You're in the conversation for an at-large but you're on the back end of that conversation and not the forefront.

Good Post. That's how delusional ODU fans are.

I don't think ODU fans are delusional. I also don't think ODU chances of getting an at-large are all that great either. A lot things have to fall right for ODU to be considered for an at-large bid if they don't win the CUSA Tourney. But the Monarchs are CUSA best chance to get an at-large bid.
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(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

That team had 3 top 100 wins... #66 Denver and #96 UTEP (x2). Overall 3-7 against the top 100. ODU is 6-2 vs the top 100 and 2-0 against the top 50.
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If we don't win out to at least the semis, this conversation is moot. Still a lot of work to do.
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(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

(02-23-2015 04:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 04:14 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We had an RPI of like 29 and got left out.

That team had 3 top 100 wins... #66 Denver and #96 UTEP (x2). Overall 3-7 against the top 100. ODU is 6-2 vs the top 100 and 2-0 against the top 50.

The conversation would go like this -
Committee Member 1 "ODU beat a VCU and Richmond at home"

Committee Member 2 "but how did ODU fared in conference USA when they had to play road games?"

Committer Member3 "Nevermind, ODU is out. Let's look at Temple, Cincy, VCU, SMU..."
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RE: What will it take for CUSA to get multiple teams dancing?
Id rather they say we beat VCU at home and LSU on a neutral court than say we beat American and Northwestern State.
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