http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...ays_1.html

what a whiner. I didn't see the game, but read through the game thread posted here and when the game was still within reach in the second half. I counted 7 straight possessions where a foul was called on Toledo on WMU possessions. More fouls called on Toledo than WMU in total and this coach is moaning about the officiating.

Maybe everyone has become accustomed to Toledo getting hosed by the officials and just can't deal with the same calls being made against them.

He's a baby. This makes him look like Art Briles or Lloyd Carr. Not very good company if you ask me.

Doesn't sound like he's saying it was one sided as much as too tightly called. That many fouls does screw up the flow of games. I hate seeing possession after possession end in a foul. OTOH fans scream about every perceived missed call. Being a ref is a tough job.

To many foul calls. I agree with him. I bet the MAC will sanction him for commenting on the refs.

(02-22-2015 08:38 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  what a whiner. I didn't see the game, but read through the game thread posted here and when the game was still within reach in the second half. I counted 7 straight possessions where a foul was called on Toledo on WMU possessions. More fouls called on Toledo than WMU in total and this coach is moaning about the officiating.

Maybe everyone has become accustomed to Toledo getting hosed by the officials and just can't deal with the same calls being made against them.

I didn't sense that he was necessarily arguing that all the calls were going against Western while Toledo was getting a pass. I think he was arguing that the refs called the game too close in the 2nd half which interrupted the flow of the game from his perspective-----of course it was his star players who were most impacted by the fouls, so I am sure that was in the back of his mind as well as he went off on the referees.

He was probably also pretty frustrated at that moment because with that loss, Western pretty much took themselves out of contention for the MAC Tourney Championship race.

(02-22-2015 08:50 AM)rockytop Wrote:  To many foul calls. I agree with him. I bet the MAC will sanction him for commenting on the refs.

Sounded like he couched it in terms that really didn't criticize the refs while criticizing them at the same time. I thought it was brilliant coach speak. I'm a big fan of Hawkins as a coach. If he kept Paul and the guy who went to Detroit last year's team would have been a Top 25 squad talent wise.

(02-22-2015 08:48 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Doesn't sound like he's saying it was one sided as much as too tightly called. That many fouls does screw up the flow of games. I hate seeing possession after possession end in a foul. OTOH fans scream about every perceived missed call. Being a ref is a tough job.

I would agree with that. They have to set the tone of the game early on and then be consistent with it - unless it gets out of hand and they have to start calling them tighter. I've seen officials come over to our bench and tell us they thought the game was getting too physical and they were going to start calling more fouls to tone it down. And that was when I was a sophomore in HS playing on the reserves.

I don't know if they do that in college, but it sure would help.

Wasn't at the game, but I agree with coach Hawkins in general about teams not being able to get into a flow. Officials are not supposed to be noticed, but in the MAC they totally ruin the experience for both fans and players. I don't get the same feeling in watching other conferences on tv. It seems like there is a foul on every possession and guys like Booth get victimized for being big and in position and an out of control offensive player flings his body towards the basket and the whistle goes off.

(02-22-2015 09:47 AM)emanoh Wrote:  Wasn't at the game, but I agree with coach Hawkins in general about teams not being able to get into a flow. Officials are not supposed to be noticed, but in the MAC they totally ruin the experience for both fans and players. I don't get the same feeling in watching other conferences on tv. It seems like there is a foul on every possession and guys like Booth get victimized for being big and in position and an out of control offensive player flings his body towards the basket and the whistle goes off.

MAC officials are also Big 10 officials. I rarely watch any college hoops except the MAC so is it different in the Big 10 even though the refs are the same?

I didn't see the game. What I did see is his comments:

Quote:Hawkins said. "When the game is being officiated in a lopsided manner or we feel like it is, you have to put the air in the referees' whistle and go back at them (Toledo). That's what I was trying to get our guys to do."

From the article:

Quote:There were 24 fouls called on Toledo and 23 on Western Michigan, although it cost the Broncos a little more as Connar Tava was limited to 19 minutes and he fouled out with 3:22 remaining in the second half.

The math doesn't seem to support the "lopsided" comment. No mention of the backdoor baskets that the Rockets didn't handle in the previous meeting. I am guessing those Bronco baskets were not as frequent this time out. Conner Tava shot one-for-three in each half. That was as much a problem as his foul situation. Sounds like the Rockets defense was more of a problem for WMU.

(02-22-2015 01:48 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  I didn't see the game. What I did see is his comments:

Quote:Hawkins said. "When the game is being officiated in a lopsided manner or we feel like it is, you have to put the air in the referees' whistle and go back at them (Toledo). That's what I was trying to get our guys to do."

From the article:

Quote:There were 24 fouls called on Toledo and 23 on Western Michigan, although it cost the Broncos a little more as Connar Tava was limited to 19 minutes and he fouled out with 3:22 remaining in the second half.

The math doesn't seem to support the "lopsided" comment. No mention of the backdoor baskets that the Rockets didn't handle in the previous meeting. I am guessing those Bronco baskets were not as frequent this time out. Conner Tava shot one-for-three in each half. That was as much a problem as his foul situation. Sounds like the Rockets defense was more of a problem for WMU.

You are pretty spot on. The refs did put a big dent in the game. But in my opinion UT had the opportunity to pull away a few different times earlier and if anything, the refs disruptions on the game helped WMU to avoid that from happening

Juice has been getting calls the past few games... A couple blocks against WMU when Juice was heading to the basket was the worst of it. Tava played sloppy all game, and although he had a few ticky tacky fouls on him, so did Lauf. Tava suffered from what happens to Boothe every game it seems like. WMU shot poorly outside of Brown late, and they gave up about 10 dunks! Can't blame that game on the refs.

One time Boothe was held out at the perimeter where nothing was called, and on the way to the basket their post player #40 I believe flopped way hard which led to an open lane and a dunk for Boothe. That was probably the biggest of the boo's from WMU's crowd.

Coach K has seen some poorly officiated games and he never comments on refs. Have fun with the fine WMU.

If you want to blame anyone for the "bad" officiating it's the coaches as a whole. Several years ago, the coaches in general thought the game became too physical and that players should have freedom of movement when on offense. Hence, the NCAA implemented the new hand check rule that is now enforced in high school. Touch an offensive player twice, or with an armbar, or with both hands and it's a foul. We let more contact go in high school because we get away with it. For division 1 college, if an official doesn't call fouls the way the NCAA wants, the person won't get games in the future. When you can make between $60,000-over 100k in one season, you're going to enforce the rules to a tee...