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ACC discounting "OOC games of C opponents."
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(01-29-2015 11:57 PM)Bluecoug Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:52 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:44 PM)Bluecoug Wrote:  So you're saying there is a chance?

If TCU and/or Baylor didn't get in, good luck trying to win by playing their game. If people think the Big 12 Champion is screwed with no CG, imagine how BYU will be greeted at the door.

It's checkers versus chess mentality. In an undefeated scenario, BYU is playing the access bowl champion on New Years day every time.
With 4 teams in the playoff you are absolutely correct. Don't you expect that to expand soon?

It's possible. Perhaps likely.

No matter what happens, I will be rooting for BYU if it comes down to that. Just like I'll be rooting for the AAC teams in their games against the self-titled "P5".

That's the difference between being in a conference versus not being in a conference. More than one of us does the lifting. It's definitely a chess game, that we may or may not win in this configuration; but it's another way to state our case.

And that's essentially what this about. The ACC is a friend to neither of us, and this latest development should be seen for what it is (especially by BYU fans). It's a simple chess move, that is aimed at keeping BYU where they are (and not for BYU's sake).
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It's possible. Perhaps likely.

No matter what happens, I will be rooting for BYU if it comes down to that. Just like I'll be rooting for the AAC teams in their games against the self-titled "P5".

That's the difference between being in a conference versus not being in a conference. More than one of us does the lifting. It's definitely a chess game, that we may or may not win in this configuration; but it's another way to state our case.

And that's essentially what this about. The ACC is a friend to neither of us, and this latest development should be seen for what it is (especially by BYU fans).
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I likewise will pull for G5 vs P5 especially AAC teams.

I don't think the P5 is even friends outside their own conferences. They make choices based on whats good for themselves. This obviously is good for them. I think it is good for BYU also. Having a quality schedule is the way to be relevant. Just need to win more.
BYU fans would love to be in a P5 conference. Indy is better than being in the MWC. No offense intended but I would only want to be in the AAC if we couldn't schedule.

We'll see how this all shakes out in the next few years. Best wishes to all your teams.
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(01-29-2015 11:56 AM)Bluecoug Wrote:  ACC to count BYU games as P5.

So if BYU joins the AAC will they still be considered P5? If so will the rest of the AAC also be considered P5? Or will they suddenly become less of a program if they join the AAC? Will the ACC issue a statement saying Byu is no longer P5 now.... Because we say so....

Does everyone see how dumb this crap is? The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

This is what happens when the inmates run the asylum.
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(01-29-2015 05:26 PM)Bluecoug Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 04:58 PM)wylioats Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 04:42 PM)Bluecoug Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 04:40 PM)wylioats Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 01:38 PM)No Bull Wrote:  So memphis beat a PG team in a bowl. :cheers:

We also won the post game entertainment that they started and we finished. Don't bring none, won't be none....GO TIGERS!!!!

At the BYU sideline no less.

Yes, where our fans and band were located (damn baseball stadium). After each win, our players always come up to the fans and band and sing the fight song. A BYU player pushed a Tiger player and got pushed back. That punk ass #12 for BYU went after a Tiger player and got knocked into next week. #12 then sucker punched (twice) our #40 and ran like the chickens--t that he is. So don't spew that crap that we came over to the BYU bench. I was there and saw the whole thing. Some of the BYU players were just pizzed because they lost the game. In another words they started something they couldn't finish. Memphis isn't the only school that's had trouble with BYU, so don't come over here acting like the BYU players are the little choir boys that they're supposed to be. Like I said, don't bring none, won't be none.
Guess yall should of warned us ahead of time instead of celebrating on our sideline. The powers that be that set up this Bowl game created the potential for this situation. They should apologize. Good chance similar post game mess with lots of teams with a finish like that game. I for one thought it was over in 1 OT with the TD catch that was disallowed. And yes #12 for BYU was an embarrassing punk. Memphis had punks too but they weren't so embarrassing.

The Memphis administration, along with our AD and head coach have suspended players that participated in the fight anywhere from a 1/2 game to 2 games. What's BYU done to punish their players, especially that #12? Look, I would love to see a series started between the 2 schools, and after the games that are played, both teams shake hands and show some real sportsmanship. Maybe then that would help erase the black eye both schools got from that unfortunate incident following the Miami Beach Bowl.
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Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game
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(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.
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(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.
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ACC is sooo pathetic lately (ok, some can say they've been that way for years)

1) ACC teams don't want to play tough non-conf road games, especially those that might mean they have to travel outside their region...so ACC is allowing conf members to schedule near-by ACC teams tp play a non-conf game...so they can count it was a P5 non-conf game...plus, eliminate the need for either team to "travel" far for a tough non-conf road game.

2) ACC teams, seemingly more than anyone else, are now scheduling not one but TWO Div I-AA home games (BC this year)...again, so they don't have to travel out of their region to play tough non-conf games (believe 2 other ACC teams in recent years also played 2 Div I-AA teams during the same year).

3) Now ACC "decides" BYU is a P5 member as some ACC teams already have them on their future schedule...so they are trying to show others that if they keep their other 3 pathetic non-conf games...they can now count BYU as their P5 requirement.

What will the ACC do next? Will they suddenly count Div I-AA games as "NFL" qualifying games and count those wins twice?

Will the ACC decide that their teams can have 15 players on the field while the opponents in non-conf play can only have 11?

Whatever they decide...it will certainly hit the laugh track for all to see.
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(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Agreed. The Fiesta Bowl should be a case study for proof that labels don't mean automatic W's:
2005 Fiesta Bowl: MWC Utah 35-7 over Pitt
2007 Fiesta Bowl: WAC Boise St over Oklahoma
2014 Fiesta Bowl: AAC UCF over Baylor
And this pasts seasons Fiesta Bowl was of course a win for Boise over Arizona

4 opportunities, 4 wins.
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Reading through the article I linked above and reading between the lines, it appears to me that ESPN had a hefty hand in getting the ACC to change it's stance on BYU.

1. ESPN knows that ACC OOC in conference games are going to cut it on national television for ratings.

2. ESPN knows that ACC (as a whole) is likely the worse of the contract conferences as it pertains to football and overall ratings show a lack of interest in games that don't involve FSU, Clemson, GT.

3. ESPN wants the Notre Dame / BYU series to continue, but those games don't mean as much if BYU isn't considered at least a step above the rest of the noncontract conferences as an independent or can't continue with Notre Dame playing an ACC schedule ICW games against the PAC, B1G and Navy.

4. Since the ACC would be less likely to be able to schedule teams from the PAC, B12, B1G because of their 9 game conference schedules, ESPN would much rather have ACC teams scheduling BYU, then noncontract conference schools except where rivalries may be involved (Miami - UCF, ECU - UNC, etc.).

5. BYU has a national audience and ESPN / ACC know this and would be stupid not to take advantage of it.

6. It behooves ESPN to help BYU in every way they can get good future schedules against quality opponents from the contract conferences.

So, this is more about "perception" then it is reality and this is more about what's good for ESPN / ACC, then it is about accepting BYU as an equal.

Because BYU is an independent school, ESPN can up the ante without breaking the bank when it comes to media rights with the Cougars.

That's why the AAC is in a bad spot and as many have said on here, they keep us down just enough to not have to spend more money, great exposure not withstanding.
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(01-30-2015 09:22 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Agreed. The Fiesta Bowl should be a case study for proof that labels don't mean automatic W's:
2005 Fiesta Bowl: MWC Utah 35-7 over Pitt
2007 Fiesta Bowl: WAC Boise St over Oklahoma
2014 Fiesta Bowl: AAC UCF over Baylor
And this pasts seasons Fiesta Bowl was of course a win for Boise over Arizona

4 opportunities, 4 wins.

FYI, when UCF won the Fiesta Bowl, we were an AQ conference, so they shouldn't be included. Or else you'd also have to include the BCS bowls that UL and WVU won while in the Big East.
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(01-30-2015 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 09:22 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Agreed. The Fiesta Bowl should be a case study for proof that labels don't mean automatic W's:
2005 Fiesta Bowl: MWC Utah 35-7 over Pitt
2007 Fiesta Bowl: WAC Boise St over Oklahoma
2014 Fiesta Bowl: AAC UCF over Baylor
And this pasts seasons Fiesta Bowl was of course a win for Boise over Arizona

4 opportunities, 4 wins.

FYI, when UCF won the Fiesta Bowl, we were an AQ conference, so they shouldn't be included. Or else you'd also have to include the BCS bowls that UL and WVU won while in the Big East.

Technically UCF was AQ. However, the players that were major contributors on that team were, in fact, non-BCS recruits.
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Can anyone say National conference??
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(01-30-2015 10:37 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 09:22 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Agreed. The Fiesta Bowl should be a case study for proof that labels don't mean automatic W's:
2005 Fiesta Bowl: MWC Utah 35-7 over Pitt
2007 Fiesta Bowl: WAC Boise St over Oklahoma
2014 Fiesta Bowl: AAC UCF over Baylor
And this pasts seasons Fiesta Bowl was of course a win for Boise over Arizona

4 opportunities, 4 wins.

FYI, when UCF won the Fiesta Bowl, we were an AQ conference, so they shouldn't be included. Or else you'd also have to include the BCS bowls that UL and WVU won while in the Big East.

Technically UCF was AQ. However, the players that were major contributors on that team were, in fact, non-BCS recruits.

Technically you are right Quo, but BE Homer has a point with the recruits and Baylor was a heavy favorite and the media made UCF a big underdog, almost Cinderella going into the game.
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(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Solid words.

My fear is that the P5 and espn are VERY well aware of these facts... and that drove much of the realignment. they are trying to erect a 20 foot wall between us and them, and make sure any decent recruit would rather go to ANY p5 school than a Houston, UCF, Boise.

We'll just have to keep fighting the good fight, and so long as they are still playing us try to take em down. It won't really work, due to the difficulty in really evaluating the HS senior recruits, which is why so many G5 schools can 'coach up'. That's where the $$ and transfer rules come into play...

Aresco did a good job, and deserves full credit, for that G5 access bowl slot. If they expand the playoff, he'll have to fight that fight again...
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I enjoyed whipping BYU's ass. 04-cheers
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I still think this is the first step to a BYU/ACC partnership like ND. BYU plays 5 ACC teams that aren't playing ND that year and gets in on the ACC Bowl slots. ACC adds 1-2 more bowls in the next cycle probably in the West Coast. Win/Win. I actually thought the AAC was in a strong position to offer BYU such an agreement to BYU, but that looks less likely now.
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(01-30-2015 09:22 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Agreed. The Fiesta Bowl should be a case study for proof that labels don't mean automatic W's:
2005 Fiesta Bowl: MWC Utah 35-7 over Pitt
2007 Fiesta Bowl: WAC Boise St over Oklahoma
2014 Fiesta Bowl: AAC UCF over Baylor
And this pasts seasons Fiesta Bowl was of course a win for Boise over Arizona

4 opportunities, 4 wins.

It has NOTHING to do with on field success. Why would the P5 want to give more $ to the G5? What is their incentive to do so (unless forced in some way)? I just don't see how a G5 gets auto bid if the playoff goes to eight. The SEC and Big 12 will especially make sure that does not happen.
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(01-30-2015 12:49 PM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 09:22 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:21 AM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:13 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Look. If the playoff goes to 8 I see the g5 getting one slot and then one to two at large which will be taken up by people like tcu and Baylor. The Indys will be left out. This way every p5 conf gets a representative in. If Boise keeps getting preferential treatment there will be a g5 champ game

Even if the playoff goes to eight you are dreaming if you think the G5 will get an auto bid. They may have better odds to make the playoffs but that is about it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I say that is the success of teams like Boise State, UCF, TCU, Utah, etc. The Fiesta Bowl has pretty much been a waterloo for the self-proclaimed "P5".

Look at how non-BCS underdogs like TCU, UCF, etc, have DOMINATED teams in the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. IMO, that drum will be sounded when those talks are taking place,

The "non-BCS" "G5" whatever you want to call it, representative, has won often enough to not be considered the afterthought those conferences hoped they would be.

Agreed. The Fiesta Bowl should be a case study for proof that labels don't mean automatic W's:
2005 Fiesta Bowl: MWC Utah 35-7 over Pitt
2007 Fiesta Bowl: WAC Boise St over Oklahoma
2014 Fiesta Bowl: AAC UCF over Baylor
And this pasts seasons Fiesta Bowl was of course a win for Boise over Arizona

4 opportunities, 4 wins.

It has NOTHING to do with on field success. Why would the P5 want to give more $ to the G5? What is their incentive to do so (unless forced in some way)? I just don't see how a G5 gets auto bid if the playoff goes to eight. The SEC and Big 12 will especially make sure that does not happen.

Never said it did. Just pointing out that the labels are BS. It sickens me how those schools are trying their best to hold everyone else down off the field with these tactics. I guess college hoops is next right? A #3 ranked Gonzaga barred from the Tourney because they aren't in the right league?
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