Why is this even a discussion? There are no details out about this except that the decision makers in the situation are not worried about the financials. There's a plan and, if it fails, it won't be for financial reasons.

GS fans should wait to get pissed off about who is paying for what and how once there are actually details about how all of that is going down. Until then, this conversation is pointless.

(01-29-2015 03:30 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  Why is this even a discussion? There are no details out about this except that the decision makers in the situation are not worried about the financials. There's a plan and, if it fails, it won't be for financial reasons.

GS fans should wait to get pissed off about who is paying for what and how once there are actually details about how all of that is going down. Until then, this conversation is pointless.

Its January on the SBC Board

(01-29-2015 03:30 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  Why is this even a discussion? There are no details out about this except that the decision makers in the situation are not worried about the financials. There's a plan and, if it fails, it won't be for financial reasons.

GS fans should wait to get pissed off about who is paying for what and how once there are actually details about how all of that is going down. Until then, this conversation is pointless.

No jimmies are being ruslted here.

I think the point is being missed, we are concerned in the way the BOR handles your athletic endeavors and could give us some possible insight into how they would look at a new Arena for us. Trust me, we want y'all to be successful with this project.

I'm sure the GPC merger created much discussion before all the details were known.

Much like recruiting, we can only read the tea leaves in our cup.

(01-29-2015 03:30 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  So why the delay in building a weight room ? No $$$ for a spring game ? Odd.

The previous AD was worried it was going to cut into her shopping budget.

Makes sense then.

(01-29-2015 03:56 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 03:30 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  Why is this even a discussion? There are no details out about this except that the decision makers in the situation are not worried about the financials. There's a plan and, if it fails, it won't be for financial reasons.

GS fans should wait to get pissed off about who is paying for what and how once there are actually details about how all of that is going down. Until then, this conversation is pointless.

No jimmies are being ruslted here.

I think the point is being missed, we are concerned in the way the BOR handles your athletic endeavors and could give us some possible insight into how they would look at a new Arena for us. Trust me, we want y'all to be successful with this project.

I'm sure the GPC merger created much discussion before all the details were known.

Much like recruiting, we can only read the tea leaves in our cup.

My problem is there aren't even any tea leaves... or a cup.

I don't view it as a problem, or even a concern.

I find it interesting more than anything with the political dynamics at play and the strain of state budgets. Add the backdrop of what is being proposed in Virginia and other states and i think the financial underwriting of such a large project becomes a sort of trial balloon, unless of course it is accomplished primarily with donor or private money.

And yes, it is definitely an off season kind of topic.

Yes it's a trial for other potentially transformative quarter of a billion dollar urban development projects. All 1 of them.

(01-29-2015 06:52 PM)panama Wrote:  Yes it's a trial for other potentially transformative quarter of a billion dollar urban development projects. All 1 of them.

So this will happen cause you're special is what you're saying?

Ga Southern needs to be prepared to ask for what we want at the same exact time as GaSt. While they put forward their proposal for Turner, we need our Hanner, indoor practice facility or stadium project on the agenda as well.

I think Tuscon is right

(01-29-2015 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern needs to be prepared to ask for what we want at the same exact time as GaSt. While they put forward their proposal for Turner, we need our Hanner, indoor practice facility or stadium project on the agenda as well.

Here's the problem that i'm seeing with this whole debacle right now (and this comment exemplifies it); people don't seem to realise this, but not all universities are treated the same. The BOR isn't held by some law telling them that every university has to be treated equally and have the same money put into each one. That would be silly; Georgia State is currently a completely different school to Georgia Southern on a completely different level, by size, by degrees, by research output, etc. And by next year, GSU will be a completely different school to anything else in the USoG. The BOR can't just say "oh, well now that this 54,000+ student university is putting facilities to deal with that growth in, we'd better do the same for 20 odd thousand student Georgia Southern." It doesn't work like that.

The BOR will do what they see as being best for each university. And, as much as we complain about UGA getting a great deal of attention, the USoG really isn't half as bad as a lot of states systems (University of Alabama system? The Louisiana state legislature?!). We don't often deal with petty fighting to keep one school down so they don't become competition for the others, and i think that fact is benefitting GSU and is the reason why we're growing as we are. But with having one of the largest universities in the nation, it comes part and parcel that an upgrade to all facilities will be necessary. Yes that might be a huge chunk of funding for housing around the Ted. Yes that might be funding for a student living district around the Ted. I don't think they'll outright pay for the Ted, but yes they probably realise it's both smart and necessary to do what they can to make sure the a 54,000 student university has all of the facilities it needs to deal with 54,000 students.

To think that GSU and GaSo should be treated evenly is crazy. We were already completely different. Now we're in a different universe.

(01-30-2015 12:37 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern needs to be prepared to ask for what we want at the same exact time as GaSt. While they put forward their proposal for Turner, we need our Hanner, indoor practice facility or stadium project on the agenda as well.

Here's the problem that i'm seeing with this whole debacle right now (and this comment exemplifies it); people don't seem to realise this, but not all universities are treated the same. The BOR isn't held by some law telling them that every university has to be treated equally and have the same money put into each one. That would be silly; Georgia State is currently a completely different school to Georgia Southern on a completely different level, by size, by degrees, by research output, etc. And by next year, GSU will be a completely different school to anything else in the USoG. The BOR can't just say "oh, well now that this 54,000+ student university is putting facilities to deal with that growth in, we'd better do the same for 20 odd thousand student Georgia Southern." It doesn't work like that.

The BOR will do what they see as being best for each university. And, as much as we complain about UGA getting a great deal of attention, the USoG really isn't half as bad as a lot of states systems (University of Alabama system? The Louisiana state legislature?!). We don't often deal with petty fighting to keep one school down so they don't become competition for the others, and i think that fact is benefitting GSU and is the reason why we're growing as we are. But with having one of the largest universities in the nation, it comes part and parcel that an upgrade to all facilities will be necessary. Yes that might be a huge chunk of funding for housing around the Ted. Yes that might be funding for a student living district around the Ted. I don't think they'll outright pay for the Ted, but yes they probably realise it's both smart and necessary to do what they can to make sure the a 54,000 student university has all of the facilities it needs to deal with 54,000 students.

To think that GSU and GaSo should be treated evenly is crazy. We were already completely different. Now we're in a different universe.

Take it easy there chief. The only thing that is truly separating State and Southern is that the BOR recognizes you as a "Research Institution". Because of this GSU has a ~$738mil budget whereas Southern has a ~$374mil. State has benefited the BOR's status of "Research Institution" since 1995 and because of this has experienced tremendous growth. Southern who without a doubt was not at the same level academically or enrollment in 1995 has also experienced tremendous growth with a fraction of a budget compared to State. Because of this YES State is ahead of Southern academically but the gap is closing. And by adding a 26k community college to the "Georgia State system" doesnt help your case. When the State of Georgia gets their crap together and there is enough $$$$$(the only thing holding Southern back) we will be re-classified as a "Research Institution" in the eyes of the BOR(the only organization that doesnt recognize us as such).

So yes I think you are ridiculous to think State should receive this kind of funding(sports mostly) because you are on a different "level". Raise the money yourself, if we had to make our students pay for an upper-deck and our alum pay for a football operations center State better not get a hell a lot of funding when your football team cant even win a FBS game.

P.S idk why you think you need housing for 54k around Ted. The two campuses will still be separated and State will continue to be a commuter university with ~32k students.

tl;dr OP is crazy.

(01-30-2015 12:37 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern needs to be prepared to ask for what we want at the same exact time as GaSt. While they put forward their proposal for Turner, we need our Hanner, indoor practice facility or stadium project on the agenda as well.

Here's the problem that i'm seeing with this whole debacle right now (and this comment exemplifies it); people don't seem to realise this, but not all universities are treated the same. The BOR isn't held by some law telling them that every university has to be treated equally and have the same money put into each one. That would be silly; Georgia State is currently a completely different school to Georgia Southern on a completely different level, by size, by degrees, by research output, etc. And by next year, GSU will be a completely different school to anything else in the USoG. The BOR can't just say "oh, well now that this 54,000+ student university is putting facilities to deal with that growth in, we'd better do the same for 20 odd thousand student Georgia Southern." It doesn't work like that.

The BOR will do what they see as being best for each university. And, as much as we complain about UGA getting a great deal of attention, the USoG really isn't half as bad as a lot of states systems (University of Alabama system? The Louisiana state legislature?!). We don't often deal with petty fighting to keep one school down so they don't become competition for the others, and i think that fact is benefitting GSU and is the reason why we're growing as we are. But with having one of the largest universities in the nation, it comes part and parcel that an upgrade to all facilities will be necessary. Yes that might be a huge chunk of funding for housing around the Ted. Yes that might be funding for a student living district around the Ted. I don't think they'll outright pay for the Ted, but yes they probably realise it's both smart and necessary to do what they can to make sure the a 54,000 student university has all of the facilities it needs to deal with 54,000 students.

To think that GSU and GaSo should be treated evenly is crazy. We were already completely different. Now we're in a different universe.

Obviously schools have different needs and are funded at different levels, so no one is expecting even funding. However, there are rules and policies, and it is reasonable to expect all of the schools to follow those same rules.

Do you think the BOR will think it is smart to sink $50 plus million in a stadium for a school that currently has about 3,500 attending the games? They will probably separate the athletic and academic issues, and GaSt will be forced to raise the cash to renovate the Ted. Who knows, they may have to tear it all down in the end due to the significant cost to renovate and maintain such a large stadium.

Do you think people from the BOR, state government, city government and business as well as GSU all working within a few blocks of each other haven't already had various discussions about this? Again if there were any chance of this not happening or significant opposition Becker never never in the nevers gives that interview to the AJC last year. And you mention attendance as if we have always averaged 3500 butts in seats which by the way we don't even now. I am not sure where you are going with all of this but like has many have already said, all universities are not equal and many obviously view it as advantageous to have a vibrant national research university in the downtown of the capital and largest city of the state. To talk about GS in this instance is to talk apples and oranges. Different institutions, different cities, different challenges.

(01-30-2015 03:06 AM)trueblue21 Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:37 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern needs to be prepared to ask for what we want at the same exact time as GaSt. While they put forward their proposal for Turner, we need our Hanner, indoor practice facility or stadium project on the agenda as well.

Here's the problem that i'm seeing with this whole debacle right now (and this comment exemplifies it); people don't seem to realise this, but not all universities are treated the same. The BOR isn't held by some law telling them that every university has to be treated equally and have the same money put into each one. That would be silly; Georgia State is currently a completely different school to Georgia Southern on a completely different level, by size, by degrees, by research output, etc. And by next year, GSU will be a completely different school to anything else in the USoG. The BOR can't just say "oh, well now that this 54,000+ student university is putting facilities to deal with that growth in, we'd better do the same for 20 odd thousand student Georgia Southern." It doesn't work like that.

The BOR will do what they see as being best for each university. And, as much as we complain about UGA getting a great deal of attention, the USoG really isn't half as bad as a lot of states systems (University of Alabama system? The Louisiana state legislature?!). We don't often deal with petty fighting to keep one school down so they don't become competition for the others, and i think that fact is benefitting GSU and is the reason why we're growing as we are. But with having one of the largest universities in the nation, it comes part and parcel that an upgrade to all facilities will be necessary. Yes that might be a huge chunk of funding for housing around the Ted. Yes that might be funding for a student living district around the Ted. I don't think they'll outright pay for the Ted, but yes they probably realise it's both smart and necessary to do what they can to make sure the a 54,000 student university has all of the facilities it needs to deal with 54,000 students.

To think that GSU and GaSo should be treated evenly is crazy. We were already completely different. Now we're in a different universe.

Take it easy there chief. The only thing that is truly separating State and Southern is that the BOR recognizes you as a "Research Institution". Because of this GSU has a ~$738mil budget whereas Southern has a ~$374mil. State has benefited the BOR's status of "Research Institution" since 1995 and because of this has experienced tremendous growth. Southern who without a doubt was not at the same level academically or enrollment in 1995 has also experienced tremendous growth with a fraction of a budget compared to State. Because of this YES State is ahead of Southern academically but the gap is closing. And by adding a 26k community college to the "Georgia State system" doesnt help your case. When the State of Georgia gets their crap together and there is enough $$$$$(the only thing holding Southern back) we will be re-classified as a "Research Institution" in the eyes of the BOR(the only organization that doesnt recognize us as such).

So yes I think you are ridiculous to think State should receive this kind of funding(sports mostly) because you are on a different "level". Raise the money yourself, if we had to make our students pay for an upper-deck and our alum pay for a football operations center State better not get a hell a lot of funding when your football team cant even win a FBS game.

P.S idk why you think you need housing for 54k around Ted. The two campuses will still be separated and State will continue to be a commuter university with ~32k students.

tl;dr OP is crazy.

Not sure if you're aware but their around 9k students living downtown on and off campus now. You will eventually see a situation with 20k - 25k students living downtown. As for thinking it's ridiculous, we on a message board don't think we are on another level. Someone or several someone's in state government and the BOR apparently do. This thread started as a question about the status of a project and has now become a hopeful prayer that it doesn't happen. Now that is ridiculous. You guys should focus on your school and we will continue to focus on ours.

All Universities will take interest in how the BOR handles the Ted deal, not just Southern. Only University of Georgia operates in a vacuum.

Ok

(01-30-2015 07:51 AM)panama Wrote:  Ok

Sorry that talk about BOR politics makes you uncomfortable.

No need to get salty.

Interesting thoughts at play here....

Ga st folks say they are obviously preferred by BOR and that a deciscion outside of the norms to help them fund a huge development centered around a floundering product would not in any way have ripple effects throughout the state.

GS folks saying that it could possibly do so are villified as praying the program folds and jealous.


Stay golden Ga St. Never change.