(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I do kinda see this as a "lets see what would have happened if UAb would have gotten their stadium" type experiment. I'm not sure if the "build it and they will come" really works for programs that have little to no support.

Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

I am not sure you can discount the five years of Levick and what she did to this program. Suckage doesn't exist in a vacuum. We hired a non-football AD who had never been an AD at a football school who then literally proceeded to spend our budget on extravagances without giving a thought towards building a fan base. Bringing UAB into this is an insult to the good people of Birmingham. There is no program that can be compared to what occurred to them. NONE.

As for the Ted project, its not just a football stadium. We are talking moving baseball, softball and soccer into new on campus facilities. Its an opportunity to brig back men's track and field. You're talking about transforming part of this city that has never had anything similar south of I-20. Apartments, student housing, condos and retail. Many on here can tell you what a MBB game at the sports arena looked like 5 years ago. 500 in attendance. Maybe 5 students in the student section. Now nobody wants to come play us OOC in there. And that is basketball which people dont even watch here in Atlanta. Cobb in 20 weeks has already started to do thinks like cut waste from the budget, start work on facilities, plan an athletics Spring Caravan; things that if Cheryl were still here would be suggestions in her wastebasket. There changes coming to Sports Arena and also changes to football gameday experience and ticket prices and selection. Uphill battle yes. But we have started the climb. It also helps that there are several men in legacy mode working on this project.

(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

(01-28-2015 12:46 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:46 AM)panama Wrote:  I think the caution has been from City Council members for the area and Neighborhood Planning Unit representatives. Almost all the residents seem happy that it not be 80 acres of empty parking lots anymore. It will be great if it leads to development of adjacent areas like the empty commercial buildings on Georgia Avenue.

Because empty sports venues are so much more attractive

No but student housing and shops are. The Turner Field project is much more than a baseball and football stadium.

(01-28-2015 01:43 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 12:46 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:46 AM)panama Wrote:  I think the caution has been from City Council members for the area and Neighborhood Planning Unit representatives. Almost all the residents seem happy that it not be 80 acres of empty parking lots anymore. It will be great if it leads to development of adjacent areas like the empty commercial buildings on Georgia Avenue.

Because empty sports venues are so much more attractive

No but student housing and shops are. The Turner Field project is much more than a baseball and football stadium.

Exactly. Its like a sports complex plus Atlantic Station

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

Probably the only time in my life that I'll ever pull for GaSt, but I hope you guys get it. With the history of the Olympics and the Braves I'd hate to see it go towards anything other than an athletic venue(s). I realize the rendering is extremely preliminary and will change, but I still think it looks impressive. I do think there will need to be a lot more parking (insert attendance smack here), especially since Marta will not be going to the Ted.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but since this area is city property do they not have to auction it off to the highest bidder?

(01-28-2015 02:31 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sorry if this has already been discussed, but since this area is city property do they not have to auction it off to the highest bidder?

I am not sure how it will happen but I have heard that at least the Stadium and several acres are going to GSU. Just waiting on the Braves. Not sure about how the rest goes to private developers like Carter.

(01-28-2015 02:22 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  Probably the only time in my life that I'll ever pull for GaSt, but I hope you guys get it. With the history of the Olympics and the Braves I'd hate to see it go towards anything other than an athletic venue(s). I realize the rendering is extremely preliminary and will change, but I still think it looks impressive. I do think there will need to be a lot more parking (insert attendance smack here), especially since Marta will not be going to the Ted.

I would not be surprised to see the street car extended to this area.

(01-28-2015 02:31 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sorry if this has already been discussed, but since this area is city property do they not have to auction it off to the highest bidder?

No, Cities won't dispose of surplus property that way, they will want to ensure that the developer or whoever purchases the property has a vision for it that is consistent with their vision for the City. The City I work for bought a piece of property for $1.6 Million to put a City facility on, it was later determined that the parcel/building would not work for what was intended there. You would think they would just want to unload it and recoup the money or make a profit if possible, but instead they took proposals from different development groups and let the surrounding community get involved to ensure that whatever was coming wouldn't be detrimental to the residents there.

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

(01-28-2015 02:31 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Sorry if this has already been discussed, but since this area is city property do they not have to auction it off to the highest bidder?

....and?

The City has been trying to get developers to go in there for years - their inability to do so is why the Braves left. Now that the idea is for a university-centric development, developers (the ones we are working with) are interested.

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

LOL. TWT. Those institutions will be much like people opposed the Falcons new stadium. Acknowledged. Move on.

(01-28-2015 03:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

LOL. TWT. Those institutions will be much like people opposed the Falcons new stadium. Acknowledged. Move on.

Different than a church arguing against a billionaire.

You're looking at something that would go statewide, not just in Atlanta.

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Sorry GaSt, you guys have an uphill battle no matter what building you play in.

Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

Easy: Stick a classroom in each building and there is no "athletics portion".

(01-28-2015 03:13 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:09 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

LOL. TWT. Those institutions will be much like people opposed the Falcons new stadium. Acknowledged. Move on.

Different than a church arguing against a billionaire.

You're looking at something that would go statewide, not just in Atlanta.

Mayor is in legacy mode. President is in legacy mode. Chancellor of BOR is a GSU grad. We have money. And the Foundation has folks who are experts at creative financing. I don't think you will see the state funding or public money you think. You will see private downers come up big for this.

(01-28-2015 03:36 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

Easy: Stick a classroom in each building and there is no "athletics portion".

There is that too. Whats did someone say on a another board on here? "When in doubt, Doak it!" LOL. Creative.

I think some of the deals that Foundation's real estate people have pulled off to get the Atlanta Life property, the land for the Law building, the Sun Trust tower acquisition were technically more complex than this.

(01-28-2015 03:36 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  Oh we get that. Don't confuse our enthusiasm for confusion that the mountain we are climbing just got leveled. You have to understand outside the football practice field and the sand volleyball court, there hasn't been a major renovation to a sports venue at GSU since the 1996 Olympics I believe. So that should give you an idea of how big it is to the university and some alumni without the front row center Turner Field aspect of it. Having that finally puts to bed a lot of our inferiorities in athletic infrastructure and makes us a University that you can be proud to have in an athletic conference.

Having that helps us be perceived more of a cityscape university instead of a commuter school.

Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

Easy: Stick a classroom in each building and there is no "athletics portion".

They've wisened up to that trick as well. No one can do that either or our FOC would have had classrooms and we wouldn't have needed to fundraise.

You guys haven't done any athletics improvements recently, it's a whole new ball of wax in Georgia. So like I said, there are many eyes on what happens with this, at least from an athletics viewpoint.

(01-28-2015 09:55 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:36 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:04 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:54 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Any news on how your athletics portion is going to be funded?

I don't think money will be a problem. Becker seems pretty confident.

So the Foundation will foot the bill? There's going to have to be bonds issued, any idea who will issue the bonds?

I ask because there are several institutions in the state watching how the athletics portion is handled. There could be a lot of uproar/heartburn for some folks if Ga State isn't forced through all the same hoops the others were (well the institutions not named UGA or GT).

Easy: Stick a classroom in each building and there is no "athletics portion".

They've wisened up to that trick as well. No one can do that either or our FOC would have had classrooms and we wouldn't have needed to fundraise.

You guys haven't done any athletics improvements recently, it's a whole new ball of wax in Georgia. So like I said, there are many eyes on what happens with this, at least from an athletics viewpoint.

Any eyes that can stop this?