ULM doing the best with basketball but interesting how most schools are hovering right around 12 points, which means either the school has two teams in the middle of the standings or one team is up and the other down.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0

(01-25-2015 09:03 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  ULM doing the best with basketball but interesting how most schools are hovering right around 12 points, which means either the school has two teams in the middle of the standings or one team is up and the other down.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0

Updated for 29 Jan 2015 games.

Great update, thanks for posting.

(01-30-2015 11:21 PM)appsfan Wrote:  Great update, thanks for posting.

After Thursday's games there is even more trend towards schools not veering far from 12 points for MBB and WBB added together.

If these standings were computed in a way that makes sense UTA would be in first place.

(01-31-2015 10:46 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If these standings were computed in a way that makes sense UTA would be in first place.

I have the average score on one of the pages. The problem with averages for the Bubas Cup is that each sport is not weighted equally. Personally I think if we are doing an all-sports Cup then all sports should count equally. GaSo would have more points if MSOC had more than 6 teams.

UTA also has not competed in many sports and though I don't think the SB should force any school to enter every SB sport I do think there should be a minimum number to have a chance to win the Bubas (if avg were the deciding factor.) Another option is to let schools count only the 15 best teams and if a school does not sponsor a sport that is one that they can leave out. My Unity points page attempts to even out the sports and weigh them equally.

I think weighing each sport equally, and then allowing 2 sports to be dropped (if schools don't have enought sports then 0's go in for more than two sports) would seem fair enough. And though it is not head-to-head SB competition, I would not object to schools earning points based on NCAA results as part of the mix of Bubas Points. There is an NCAA wide Cup as well. I don't know the formula but winning points in the NCAA cup wold make the SB look better and awarding a school for that would not bother me.

There are at least a half dozen ways to do these all-sport conference Cups. I have my ideas but in the end the schools at some point in the past agreed to this. Only USA was there in the beginning, unless a scoring change method occurred more recently. The SoCon changed their method this year to be similar to what I like and wrote about above.

TL;DR I don't know if UTA deserves to be on top of the standings, but in what they have done this year they have been successful. I will give them credit for that.

Our T&F is kicking butts at the Invitationals. Setting personal and school records, weekly and athletes positioning themselves in the top 3 of the SBC. Can't wait for the Indoor tourney. We gonna add some points

These updates are always appreciated.

Side question: Does anyone have a quick link for finding out what gets used for each sport (regular season finish, conference tourney, combination) in determining finishing order?

(02-01-2015 07:25 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  These updates are always appreciated.

Side question: Does anyone have a quick link for finding out what gets used for each sport (regular season finish, conference tourney, combination) in determining finishing order?

Glad you like the updates.

For sports with some level of round-robin play (FB, VB, MSOC, WSOC, WBK, MBK, SBL, BSL) then the regular season standings and only the regular season standings count for points, even if that sport has a conference tournament such as soccer and basketball. The number of teams in each sport determines the number of points for winning the conference MSOC is worth 6 points, FB and VB is worth 11 points, etc.

The other sports (MXC, WXC, MITF, WITF, WGO, WTN, MTN, MGO, MOTF, WOTF) only earn points based on the placement of the tournament results. T&F I assume seed based on times which are highly standardized in this day and age. XC has constant lengths, but I have no idea how they factor in course type. They have a gang start anyways so seeds don't matter on the start as much. Tennis and Golf use some sort of rating system (think rpi I guess) to place the athletes in brackets for pairings.

(01-31-2015 11:41 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Our T&F is kicking butts at the Invitationals. Setting personal and school records, weekly and athletes positioning themselves in the top 3 of the SBC. Can't wait for the Indoor tourney. We gonna add some points

To clarify my post. We have several athletes that are, time/distance wise, ranked in the top 3 in the SBC for the season. This bodes well for us finishing well at the Championship meet.

Boone has brought TXST T&F back.

(02-01-2015 11:29 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 11:41 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Our T&F is kicking butts at the Invitationals. Setting personal and school records, weekly and athletes positioning themselves in the top 3 of the SBC. Can't wait for the Indoor tourney. We gonna add some points

To clarify my post. We have several athletes that are, time/distance wise, ranked in the top 3 in the SBC for the season. This bodes well for us finishing well at the Championship meet.

Boone has brought TXST T&F back.

App had their Mountaineer Open ITF meet this past Friday and Saturday. Our women won and the men took second. However the competition was a lot of DII schools and maybe even some club level teams. Taking second to King is a bit disconcerting to me, but I don't keep up with T&F enough to know about times and such. Maybe King has a really great T&F program even if DII.

Traditionally App has been a leader in SoCon XC, ITF, and OTF. However I felt we were slipping the last few years a bit, or maybe not slipping but some other schools were bringing their own "A" game more so than had happened in the past.

Do most SB schools field a full slate of T&F events?

The spring sports are really outdoor winter sports for a good bit of the semester in Boone. I want to see App do well in ITF to help with what could be a disappointing spring season in Tennis, Golf and baseball and softball.

(02-01-2015 08:54 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 07:25 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  These updates are always appreciated.

Side question: Does anyone have a quick link for finding out what gets used for each sport (regular season finish, conference tourney, combination) in determining finishing order?

Glad you like the updates.

For sports with some level of round-robin play (FB, VB, MSOC, WSOC, WBK, MBK, SBL, BSL) then the regular season standings and only the regular season standings count for points, even if that sport has a conference tournament such as soccer and basketball. The number of teams in each sport determines the number of points for winning the conference MSOC is worth 6 points, FB and VB is worth 11 points, etc.

The other sports (MXC, WXC, MITF, WITF, WGO, WTN, MTN, MGO, MOTF, WOTF) only earn points based on the placement of the tournament results. T&F I assume seed based on times which are highly standardized in this day and age. XC has constant lengths, but I have no idea how they factor in course type. They have a gang start anyways so seeds don't matter on the start as much. Tennis and Golf use some sort of rating system (think rpi I guess) to place the athletes in brackets for pairings.

Thanks! That makes it easy to remember, I guess, as it seems to be all the "true" team sports that are season-based, and all the individual-sports-in-which-we-also-compete-as-teams that use tourney results.

(02-01-2015 03:19 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 08:54 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 07:25 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  These updates are always appreciated.

Side question: Does anyone have a quick link for finding out what gets used for each sport (regular season finish, conference tourney, combination) in determining finishing order?

Glad you like the updates.

For sports with some level of round-robin play (FB, VB, MSOC, WSOC, WBK, MBK, SBL, BSL) then the regular season standings and only the regular season standings count for points, even if that sport has a conference tournament such as soccer and basketball. The number of teams in each sport determines the number of points for winning the conference MSOC is worth 6 points, FB and VB is worth 11 points, etc.

The other sports (MXC, WXC, MITF, WITF, WGO, WTN, MTN, MGO, MOTF, WOTF) only earn points based on the placement of the tournament results. T&F I assume seed based on times which are highly standardized in this day and age. XC has constant lengths, but I have no idea how they factor in course type. They have a gang start anyways so seeds don't matter on the start as much. Tennis and Golf use some sort of rating system (think rpi I guess) to place the athletes in brackets for pairings.

Thanks! That makes it easy to remember, I guess, as it seems to be all the "true" team sports that are season-based, and all the individual-sports-in-which-we-also-compete-as-teams that use tourney results.

Tennis is kind of weird for the SB. I think most conferences do round robin for conference play in tennis. And I was reading an article on the SB website today that mentioned conference play and even mentioned a conference record. But at the same time this is all unofficial based on the way tennis works for the SB. I am guessing the cost of flying around for tennis is not going to make tennis be viable as a round robin format, but maybe the SB office will encourage SB teams playing each other and maybe in some fashion this may be used partly in seeding for tennis. Either way, they don't track tennis standings on the website. The only link is for the championship info and that is still for last year's championship.