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(01-26-2015 11:41 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Fleck didn't honor all of Cubit's commits, either.

That was step 1 in upgrading the talent around here.
01-28-2015 07:49 PM
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(01-28-2015 07:49 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  
(01-26-2015 11:41 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Fleck didn't honor all of Cubit's commits, either.

That was step 1 in upgrading the talent around here.

ouch! 03-phew
01-28-2015 08:05 PM
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(01-28-2015 07:48 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 04:58 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  I don't know if anybody on here follows Hondo Carpenter... he's a complete jack-hole... but he's also never wrong and almost always has really good insight to coaching circles, players, and recruits. Not sure what his connections are, but they're typically spot on.

One of his recent tweets said, "Things were so bad in Mt Pleasant that as 2013 season unfolded Enos told staff to "Stop bringing recruits to home games"

"Enos cont.. told coaches that because of lack of crowd sizes and their (crowd) comments at him. Pretty ugly."

"Enos told his staff at 10:15 am mtg day he left that @Dave_Heeke wanted to give him extension. Pres said "no" "

"Cont..CMU Football had become dysfunctional and fair or not Heeke picked Enos and according to people in ADMIN "Is expected to fix it quick" "

Says Notre Dame DL Coach Mike Elston is the frontrunner.

Interesting stuff.

You give that guy too much credit. His "sources" seem to be embittered members of Enos' inner circle who are covering for him. He is a sparty fan boy who mentions Michigan MAC programs when he has something negative to say, which is usually that our schools aren't the Big Ten (atmosphere and resources). I don't have any doubt Enos has friends in EL and on the MSU staff who are willing to drop off the record bombs on CMU.

This guy is completely legit, trust me. He's got sources that go deep within most programs in Michigan... including WMU. He knows all our dirty laundry too. I don't doubt anything he says, even though he may sometimes come across as a total d!ck.
01-28-2015 08:37 PM
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Does anyone really know what's going on up there? Who really is a candidate, or even who has actually interviewed? Time frame can not be before signing day...no way in heeeelll they have someone in play by then. Heard T.A. was still out recruiting for FSU this week in G. Rapids. Granted it is where he lives...BUT what is up with him?
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It's a mess to say the least. It could be a while before someone is named, if they do it right that is. Or they could rush it and do a botch job. They're kinda screwed either way which is fine with me.
01-29-2015 11:17 AM
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(01-29-2015 11:17 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  It's a mess to say the least. It could be a while before someone is named, if they do it right that is. Or they could rush it and do a botch job. They're kinda screwed either way which is fine with me.

lol

How is it "a mess" and how are we "kinda screwed?" Please extrapolate.

Thanks.
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(01-29-2015 12:38 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:17 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  It's a mess to say the least. It could be a while before someone is named, if they do it right that is. Or they could rush it and do a botch job. They're kinda screwed either way which is fine with me.

lol

How is it "a mess" and how are we "kinda screwed?" Please extrapolate.

Thanks.

Do we have to explain everything to you?

It's a mess because Enos left 2 weeks before signing day, which is well after the normal coaching carousel period. So the administration can either take a risk and hire someone quickly to hold together a recruiting class or they can take longer, do a thorough coaching search, and hope the 2015 class doesn't become 25 "walk-on level" players.
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(01-28-2015 08:37 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 07:48 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  
(01-28-2015 04:58 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  I don't know if anybody on here follows Hondo Carpenter... he's a complete jack-hole... but he's also never wrong and almost always has really good insight to coaching circles, players, and recruits. Not sure what his connections are, but they're typically spot on.

One of his recent tweets said, "Things were so bad in Mt Pleasant that as 2013 season unfolded Enos told staff to "Stop bringing recruits to home games"

"Enos cont.. told coaches that because of lack of crowd sizes and their (crowd) comments at him. Pretty ugly."

"Enos told his staff at 10:15 am mtg day he left that @Dave_Heeke wanted to give him extension. Pres said "no" "

"Cont..CMU Football had become dysfunctional and fair or not Heeke picked Enos and according to people in ADMIN "Is expected to fix it quick" "

Says Notre Dame DL Coach Mike Elston is the frontrunner.

Interesting stuff.

You give that guy too much credit. His "sources" seem to be embittered members of Enos' inner circle who are covering for him. He is a sparty fan boy who mentions Michigan MAC programs when he has something negative to say, which is usually that our schools aren't the Big Ten (atmosphere and resources). I don't have any doubt Enos has friends in EL and on the MSU staff who are willing to drop off the record bombs on CMU.

This guy is completely legit, trust me. He's got sources that go deep within most programs in Michigan... including WMU. He knows all our dirty laundry too. I don't doubt anything he says, even though he may sometimes come across as a total d!ck.

I don't doubt he has great sources at MSU and by extension other in state programs but I don't know how diverse his sources are. I think he runs with what he has heard without giving much consideration to anything else. In this case I think he talked to Enos supporters associated with MSU just like he talked to the friends of Bill with his anti WMU diatribe on twitter a few years ago. Its not exactly journalism to relate what you've heard from people who have a clear agenda. Its an important perspective to be sure but is just one of many perspectives. That is all I'm saying.
01-29-2015 01:40 PM
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(01-29-2015 01:13 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  It's a mess because Enos left 2 weeks before signing day, which is well after the normal coaching carousel period. So the administration can either take a risk and hire someone quickly to hold together a recruiting class or they can take longer, do a thorough coaching search, and hope the 2015 class doesn't become 25 "walk-on level" players.

IMO CMU is probably managing a bad situation as best they can at this point: let what's left of Enos' staff try to keep as many of the current commits on board as possible. A handful will probably get poached, but all things considered, it is what it is. Who knows who they may truly be interested in hiring - no one here knew who P.J. Fleck was until the day he was hired - but if it's a current P5 assistant coach they're targeting, they're probably better off waiting until after signing day. The assistant coach may have more flexibility to leave (if he's interested in the job) after fully carrying out his recruiting duties at his current P5 school.

I was curious if there was any historical precedent for a coach departing (regardless of the circumstances) shortly (two weeks or less) before signing day and, if so, how the school in that situation handled it. I did a little research, and the only somewhat similar situation I could find was Army in 2007:

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/coach..._2007.html

(If anyone is curious, you can use the links found in the upper right hand corner of this site to review FBS coaching hires over the past 15 years.)

Bobby Ross resigned at Army on January 29 of that year, and his OL coach was named head coach. There was no measurable short-term impact; Army was 3-9 in Ross' last year and 3-9 in the new coach's first year. Neither coach had long-term success there. Obviously, this isn't a perfect parallel to CMU's current situation.

The bottom line is there really isn't any recent historical precedent of an FBS school's head coach departing two weeks or less before signing day and the FBS school waiting until after signing day to hire a new head coach. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was the Prez put the ax to the Enos extension. And since Enos didn't get fired after the bowl game, what else was he to think? (I should be getting an extension)

OK so the Prez probably felt this way for awhile...why not just meet with AD and just fire Enos after the bowl game?
Would have put CMU in a different situation in hiring a coach, keeping recruits, assistants could have found other jobs etc...
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Just off the top of my head this is the third head coach that Kyle Nystrom has had fired while he was on staff, in the MAC. I really like Kyle. He could have been a strong hire for us as special teams coordinator but at the time it would have been a step back for him. Wish him well in his next job.
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05-bump

By the way... Hondo Carpenter broke the news on Bonamego. Like I said, this guy has very good sources.
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Enos: head coaching "not all it's cracked up to be:"

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...47995.html

As you can probably imagine, CMU fans didn't take too kindly to what Enos had to say in the reader comments.
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I wouldn't have minded to hear detail behind his "it's not what it's cracked up to be" statement. Sounds like his attitude and demeanor certainly reflected his disappointment with the gig - he could've at least tried to engage the community and fans more, even if his heart wasn't in it - and that's on him.

But to be fair to Enos, sometimes the head honcho job isn't worth the perks and prestige, no matter what business or corporation. It happens. As one of the commenters pointed out: Increase your salary, decrease your responsibilities. Hey, why not?

And as a bonus, you don't have to wear 5 layers of clothes for 5+ months per year.
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Heeke made a mistake breaking from the successful Kelly-Jones tree.

Enos made a mistake taking first head job he could get, not living in Mt. Pee, and changing the offensive formula that had worked for Chimps.

Time for them to move on for the betterment of both.
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