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If you're a college football fan, yesterday was one heck of a day to watch football.

But I can't help thinking... what if the playoff was expanded? Now I'm starting to wonder if a 12-team playoff is the best?

Ohio St.
Oregon
MSU
Boise St.
TCU
Georgia Tech

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be really curious to see how these teams would fare in an expanded playoff. Not to mention we'd get a few more great games to watch like we did yesterday. The best part about this list is there are 0 SEC teams. 04-rock
01-02-2015 07:44 AM
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Personally I think it needs to stay at 4. 6 max. By adding more teams it makes regular season games meaningless.

For example: the Alabama Auburn game wouldn't have mattered. Bama could have lost and would have still been in the final 8. Same with Oregon in the PAC 12 title game.

I like that it makes the regular season games so important. Every week there were games with huge final four implications.

The sham this year was that FSU found a way to go undefeated and you couldn't keep them out, though they were clearly inferior. I understand TCU and Baylor being upset that they were left out. But neither really won their conference. That's the breaks.

They will expand it eventually because money talks. But I think that will be a mistake IMO. College hoops has turned into a 1 month sport because for the most part the regular season doesn't matter. It's all about getting to the field of 68. I don't want to see that happen to college football too.
01-02-2015 09:42 AM
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I do agree that the NCAA Tournament is too big.

I don't think teams with 10+ losses should be making the tournament.

32 teams would be good, it'd still be a great tournament, and you'd still have Cinderella's.
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Conference championship games are equivalent of Quarterfinals.

No need to expand unless you do away with those.

I'm sorry, MAC, AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt teams don't deserve to play for national championship.

Heck it's rare when our one automatic qualifier wins A game in March Madness.
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01-02-2015 10:15 AM
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I like an 8 game playoff and here is how I would make it work.

The winner of all 5 power conferences is in to make 5. The best non P5 gets in as an underdog 8 seed. Gives us something to root for. The year Boise beat Oklahoma I am not sure they were the best team in America, but we will never know. They beat everyone on their schedule. Final 2 spots are "at large." If you don't win your conference, you have no gripe.
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(01-02-2015 10:15 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Conference championship games are equivalent of Quarterfinals.

No need to expand unless you do away with those.

I'm sorry, MAC, AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt teams don't deserve to play for national championship.

Heck it's rare when our one automatic qualifier wins A game in March Madness.

Unfortunately that's probably true. But I think it would be good for college football to include all conference champs. A Boise type program would make a run on occassion and it would be great entertainment.

Kimbos 12 team format with the top 4 getting bye's makes sense to me.
01-02-2015 11:00 AM
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(01-02-2015 10:15 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Conference championship games are equivalent of Quarterfinals.

No need to expand unless you do away with those.

I'm sorry, MAC, AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt teams don't deserve to play for national championship.

Heck it's rare when our one automatic qualifier wins A game in March Madness.

I know I have been a douche to you in the past...but I am starting to think you are too much of a realist to be a Bronco Fan! 04-cheers
01-02-2015 11:47 AM
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(01-02-2015 11:47 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I know I have been a douche to you in the past...but I am starting to think you are too much of a realist to be a Bronco Fan!

Realism built on 50+ years as a Bronco fan, player, and coach.
01-02-2015 12:12 PM
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You people are starting to get my blood boiling.....
01-02-2015 12:57 PM
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(01-02-2015 12:57 PM)brovol Wrote:  You people are starting to get my blood boiling.....

care to elaborate, Barrister? 04-bow
01-02-2015 01:34 PM
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(01-02-2015 12:12 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 11:47 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I know I have been a douche to you in the past...but I am starting to think you are too much of a realist to be a Bronco Fan!

Realism built on 50+ years as a Bronco fan, player, and coach.

I still wear the "rose colored glasses"...probably explains a lot.

I am *only 35 and still every time WMU plays a "big" name school (M, MSU, VaTech, ND, etc) I always think to myself, going into the game, that this is the time we will win the big one.
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Let’s not fall into the trap of assessing this question only within the confines of the current college football landscape, as the BCS conference presidents, and their allies within ESPN and the other major media would prefer. We are ALL Division 1 football conferences. The MAC plays division 1 opponents, the same as the BCS schools do. We are, and should be “eligible” to compete for the championship; the same as we do in basketball (the most widely regarded tournament of all, based primarily upon it INCLUSIVE nature, which allows for Cinderella stories from Mid-major conferences, which can take advantage by winning a few games, even if not winning the championship, catapulting the program into the national eye, which helps that program with recruiting, alumni support and funding, etc.). Unless all conferences are equally treated in the process, with there being an automatic qualifier from each conference, the non-bcs schools might as well be considered division 2.

Major; all I can say is that I think you are wrong, and far too accepting of the “establishment”, which is exactly what the BCS presidents count on. A four-team, 8-team, or anything less than an all-inclusive format is nothing more than a playoff designed with the specific intent to keep the Mid-majors down in steerage. I love all of you Stampede members for your strong interest in WMU, but any of you who believe that WMU, the MAC, or other non-bcs schools are not worthy of being seated at the same table as the BCS schools better stop complaining about WMU students skipping bronco games to watch UM or MCU play on TV, or proudly wearing their wolverine or Spartan attire. You yourselves believe we are not good enough to eat at the same table as those schools (which are in the same friggin division of intercollegiate sports as we are in). I also ask this question: what, if anything, do we need to do for you to consider our school and our conference to be worthy the same status in football that we have enjoyed in basketball and other sports?

TCU and Boise have been crapped on for years because of this “establishment” brainwashing of the public. Now TCU moved to one of the BCS conferences, after being told that they weren’t worthy football teams because they didn’t play in one of the power conferences, like Indiana, Vanderbilt and Kansas play in. Not surprisingly, after TCU moved to a BCS conference, and beat the crap out of those Big 12 teams, they are still getting the screw job in this grossly political, media controlled, establishment. Who thinks that if Florida or Michigan played the exact same teams this year that TCU did, and beat them by the exact scores, with the exact season results, that Florida or Michigan wouldn’t have been in the playoff? And please don’t tell me that the Big Ten is a better football conference than the Mountain West.

This “playoff” is an absolute joke, and to think otherwise requires ignoring facts, logic, common sense and principles of fairness and equity.

Is parity in sports a good thing? Do we want conferences to be able to have competitive games against each other, and relative competitiveness throughout D-1 athletics? If so, let’s treat the conferences equally, and share the money equally, and allow all schools to compete equally for the same recruits. Different schools will have different levels of commitments, and will make wiser choices, so all will not be equal in the end, but let’s not have two sets of rules; one for the privileged, and one for the also-rans. And before we battle for fairness in the process, let’s work on changing the disposition of those among us who accept our lives in steerage.
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The biggest obstacle to an expanded playoff IMO will remain the bowls themselves.

For the next two years, the two semifinal games will be played on New Year's Eve, not New Year's Day. Why? Because the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl remain locked into their traditional time slots on New Year's Day.

In theory the "New Year's Six" bowl games could all be included every year in an eight-team playoff, but in order for that to happen, the bowls would have to be willing to sacrifice their traditional days and times. Quarterfinal games could be played either the week after the conference championship games (the weekend of the Army-Navy game and the Heisman announcement), or 7-10 days before the usual New Year's Eve/New Year's Day dates and times. I suspect some (Peach, Cotton, Fiesta, maybe the Orange, maybe even the Sugar) might be willing to do this. I suspect others (the Rose) would fight tooth and nail to avoid this.

To many, this first four-team playoff is already a hit and considered a huge improvement over the BCS days or the dark ages before that. I suspect it will take longer than many think before the playoff is expanded - and it will probably take some legitimate controversy (far more than this year) to generate more pressure to expand it. What might that source of controversy be? From most likely to least likely:

- A conference (most likely the SEC) gets two teams into a four-team playoff, leaving two P5 conferences on the outside looking in.
- Notre Dame plays it way into a four-team playoff, leaving two P5 conferences on the outside looking in.
- A G5 team with an undefeated record that includes quality wins (plural) over P5 opponents gets left out of a four-team playoff.
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Quote:To many, this first four-team playoff is already a hit and considered a huge improvement over the BCS days or the dark ages before that. I suspect it will take longer than many think before the playoff is expanded

I don't think that way. Because although it's a Relief -- all it's doing is wetting fans' appetites like a drunken sorority girl's undergarments at the end of a frat party (okay, a little too much description). Especially with the TCU (or no B12) objections.

A 12-team playoff, like D1AA, would be good. I think it would stop there. But they'll likely go to 8... and THAT would resolve people for a while. However, ideally, it'd be 12, like D1AA. And 16 would be the best. That's where it'd be capped off. They don't want to jump into it because they don't want to Yank the college football post-season landscape, because there'll still be bowls, etc. They want the fans to get used to it, and wait for them to cry loudly for a bit to up the ante.

12-team Playoff:
- Limit 3 Per Conference Normally. 4 Limit if 1 is in Top 4, and 3rd is in Top 8.
- Seeds move if in-conference teams would have to play each other Again for 1st Round
- 1 G5 Team, If they Make Top 16 (like old-school BCS-bowl rules)

BYES:
1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. FSU
4. Ohio State

FIRST-ROUNDERS:
5. Baylor vs 12. Georgia Tech (Plays #4 Ohio State)
6*. Miss State vs 11. Kansas State (Plays #3 FSU)
7*. TCU vs 10. Arizona (Plays #2 Oregon)
8. MSU vs 9. Ole Miss (Plays #1 Alabama)

*Miss State & TCU swap due to B12 conflicts
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Yes, except Boise St. should be the 12 seed (non-P5)
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But they didn't make the Top 16. They were ranked #20.

In a 16-team playoff I could see them taking The Top G5. But for a 12-team? I would think they'd go by the old-school BCS rules of have-to-be-in-Top-16.
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I'm going under the assumption the top G5 team gets in.
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More games=more money. It's just a matter of time. Shocked it hasn't happened already.
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(01-02-2015 10:58 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  More games=more money. It's just a matter of time. Shocked it hasn't happened already.

True. But the bcs schools dont want to share the money with the lowly non-bcs conferences. Just use us to fill home game slots. Patronizing sob's.
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Would be interesting to see OOC play switch from pre-conference to post-conference. Well maybe 1 tune up game, then conference, then OOC. The best teams in a larger play off, the others playing each other in interesting match ups based on season outcomes. Or have several play-off categories, A, B, C levels kind of like we do high school in Michigan, but based on some rating system rather than enrollment.
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