(12-29-2014 02:02 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 01:42 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:51 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:44 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:38 PM)NavyKnight Wrote:  I would be ok on taking the chance on an up and coming assistant coach. What's the worst to happen we go to the st Pete bowl? It's access bowl or bust for all G5. Three options access bowl, a not so great AAC bowl with no real reward to a conference champion, or no bowl. I say take the chance and see if UCF football can find a way to be a top 25 caliber team consistently.

+1

say GOL retires next December and assume UCF holds on to the Bo QB commit...the new coach would have 3 QBs on the depth chart(holman, harris, and bo) that are 6'3 -6'4 that have the talent to make all the throws. The AAC is such a bad conference that a decent QB alone could get you to 6 wins.

UCF fans forget GOL was the first coach that got all these facilities and the bigger budget. So they are comparing him to no one bc all the previous coaches never got the administration's support and were working with no facilities. Give the keys to someone new to jumpstart UCF's recruiting potential

What "facilities"? We have an aluminum stadium that is a down right embarrassment. The practice field is just a metal warehouse. Give me a break. FAU's stadium although small looks much better. There isn't a facilities advantage in ucf football. Go look at NC state's facilities and compare at mid level acc level.

Wow is this ever a dumb post. Really? You must not have been a UCF fan for very long. I believe the poster was stating the prior coaches had much worse facilities. Besides, UCF has great facilities given its financial resources. An OCS is great no matter what it looks like. All you need is a place to put your butt to watch the game. all the rest is just gravy.

+1

yes I was stating that GOL was the first UCF coach that the administration decided to actually invest in the Football Program. No coach before him got that luxury, old practice fields, crap weight room, everything spread out, etc. So while GOL deserves a lot of credit whenever I hear 'you don't know UCF before him' well my response is that no other coach got the same goods to work with so the comparison is not fair.

GOL has the towers, athletic district meal plan, indoor practice facility, on campus stadium, amazing practice field maintenance, etc

And if you ever read the recruits quotes after visits they always say 'the campus and facilities are awesome'

Agree 100% that GOL probably gets too much credit. Most people overlook Orisini who was the real driving force behind the facilities transformation and of course a President, who as a former college football player himself was sympathetic to athletic department needs.

Relatedly, GOL got very lucky that he worked for a University President that is very tolerant to the on and off the field controversies GOL embroiled himself and the University in over the last 5 years. Most coaches aren’t given that much rope, so combined with the inconsistencies of his first 5 years nobody would have faulted Hitt for firing O’Leary.

One last thing, GOL also benefitted from some good old fashion luck in landing Bortles and his development as a QB. It also helped that his arch rival down the road completely fell apart b/c unlike UCF’s president, USF President fired their program’s architect after his first transgression.

GOL is going to leave behind a mixed legacy regardless of whether he leaves this season or next. Lots of good stuff…and lots of not so good as well.

(12-29-2014 03:13 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 12:09 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:52 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 08:00 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  If he was planning on leaving he isn't leaving now given the dc just left

I think the opposite would be true. If a bunch of assistants are leaving for better jobs this would be the perfect time for GOL to retire.

He is not the type to leave Hitt and stansbury in a lurch. I think he sees Ucf as his legacy

I'm just a college football fan, but logic has me leaning towards Steve's line of thought. If all of the assistants are leaving at one time, it is the easiest time for the University to transition. Otherwise, it would be O'Leary trying to transition for a few years just to retire and have the University transition all over again. It is interesting, if true, that O'Leary was lining up Keys to do the play calling. That would confirm Taafe wanting thing to draw to a close for him. All of this happening now would make a ton of sense. Now, if GOL was going to stay at UCF for a number of years...not just a few...then I could see why he would want Taafe to stay on an extra year to help ease the situation. Guess it all depends on how long GOL is really planning to coach IMO.

The university and more specifically Hitt will stand by gol. The loyalty card between the two means a lot. Taaffe was retiring for the 2015 season until this happened. Oleary won't leave until there are two coordinators he is comfortable with. Partly out of fear for his legacy and partly out of respect for Hitt

81-60 (58-30) overall at UCF

31-9 (22-2) the last 3 seasons

I think O'Leary wants to pass Gene McDowell as longest tenured coach.

McDowell 13 seasons (147 games)
O'Leary 11 seasons (141 games)

(12-29-2014 03:58 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:38 PM)NavyKnight Wrote:  I would be ok on taking the chance on an up and coming assistant coach. What's the worst to happen we go to the st Pete bowl? It's access bowl or bust for all G5. Three options access bowl, a not so great AAC bowl with no real reward to a conference champion, or no bowl. I say take the chance and see if UCF football can find a way to be a top 25 caliber team consistently.

You can see how well that hire and fire is working for schools like usf trying to find the next hot coach. Southern Miss is another example firing Bower. If you want the access bowl, o'leary gives us the best shot. If we make 1 play on the last drive at Penn State and it wasn't 40 degree and raining at uconn, we get the access bowl slot. That is a lot of "ifs", but that wasn't a big leap for us even after losing our OLINE and top 3 pick QB.

If you are going to play the 'if' game then last year's magical run could have easily been derailed if miracle comebacks at Memphis and Temple don't happen or if that Thursday night miracle in Greenville doesn't happen this season...so you get the picture.

The problem is if we actually played consistent football none of those games would have been in doubt. We were destroying ECU, that game should have been outif reach.

(12-29-2014 09:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 03:58 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:38 PM)NavyKnight Wrote:  I would be ok on taking the chance on an up and coming assistant coach. What's the worst to happen we go to the st Pete bowl? It's access bowl or bust for all G5. Three options access bowl, a not so great AAC bowl with no real reward to a conference champion, or no bowl. I say take the chance and see if UCF football can find a way to be a top 25 caliber team consistently.

You can see how well that hire and fire is working for schools like usf trying to find the next hot coach. Southern Miss is another example firing Bower. If you want the access bowl, o'leary gives us the best shot. If we make 1 play on the last drive at Penn State and it wasn't 40 degree and raining at uconn, we get the access bowl slot. That is a lot of "ifs", but that wasn't a big leap for us even after losing our OLINE and top 3 pick QB.

If you are going to play the 'if' game then last year's magical run could have easily been derailed if miracle comebacks at Memphis and Temple don't happen or if that Thursday night miracle in Greenville doesn't happen this season...so you get the picture.

The problem is if we actually played consistent football none of those games would have been in doubt. We were destroying ECU, that game should have been outif reach.

C'mon man. Yes, you had a great first half but ball games have two halves. ECU shut down UCF in the third and then destroyed UCF in the 4th. Offensively, ECU did in one quarter what UCF managed over three quarters. Defensively it was a shutdown in the third and a beatdown in the 4th. Our players beat UCF. Our coaches lost the game for the players. The game was not yours by any stretch. As for consistency, "If" ECU had been consistent each entire game versus just the second half, we would have been in the Access Bowl. Anyone can be world beaters if you are allowed to "If" everything to your advantage.

(12-29-2014 09:46 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 03:58 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:38 PM)NavyKnight Wrote:  I would be ok on taking the chance on an up and coming assistant coach. What's the worst to happen we go to the st Pete bowl? It's access bowl or bust for all G5. Three options access bowl, a not so great AAC bowl with no real reward to a conference champion, or no bowl. I say take the chance and see if UCF football can find a way to be a top 25 caliber team consistently.

You can see how well that hire and fire is working for schools like usf trying to find the next hot coach. Southern Miss is another example firing Bower. If you want the access bowl, o'leary gives us the best shot. If we make 1 play on the last drive at Penn State and it wasn't 40 degree and raining at uconn, we get the access bowl slot. That is a lot of "ifs", but that wasn't a big leap for us even after losing our OLINE and top 3 pick QB.

If you are going to play the 'if' game then last year's magical run could have easily been derailed if miracle comebacks at Memphis and Temple don't happen or if that Thursday night miracle in Greenville doesn't happen this season...so you get the picture.

The problem is if we actually played consistent football none of those games would have been in doubt. We were destroying ECU, that game should have been outif reach.

C'mon man. Yes, you had a great first half but ball games have two halves. ECU shut down UCF in the third and then destroyed UCF in the 4th. Offensively, ECU did in one quarter what UCF managed over three quarters. Defensively it was a shutdown in the third and a beatdown in the 4th. Our players beat UCF. Our coaches lost the game for the players. The game was not yours by any stretch. As for consistency, "If" ECU had been consistent each entire game versus just the second half, we would have been in the Access Bowl. Anyone can be world beaters if you are allowed to "If" everything to your advantage.

What you call shutting down. I call UCF taking their foot off the gas and sitting pretty with a cushy lead

ECU was winning that game for an entire 2 minutes until we took the lead again

(12-29-2014 09:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:46 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 03:58 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  You can see how well that hire and fire is working for schools like usf trying to find the next hot coach. Southern Miss is another example firing Bower. If you want the access bowl, o'leary gives us the best shot. If we make 1 play on the last drive at Penn State and it wasn't 40 degree and raining at uconn, we get the access bowl slot. That is a lot of "ifs", but that wasn't a big leap for us even after losing our OLINE and top 3 pick QB.

If you are going to play the 'if' game then last year's magical run could have easily been derailed if miracle comebacks at Memphis and Temple don't happen or if that Thursday night miracle in Greenville doesn't happen this season...so you get the picture.

The problem is if we actually played consistent football none of those games would have been in doubt. We were destroying ECU, that game should have been outif reach.

C'mon man. Yes, you had a great first half but ball games have two halves. ECU shut down UCF in the third and then destroyed UCF in the 4th. Offensively, ECU did in one quarter what UCF managed over three quarters. Defensively it was a shutdown in the third and a beatdown in the 4th. Our players beat UCF. Our coaches lost the game for the players. The game was not yours by any stretch. As for consistency, "If" ECU had been consistent each entire game versus just the second half, we would have been in the Access Bowl. Anyone can be world beaters if you are allowed to "If" everything to your advantage.

What you call shutting down. I call UCF taking their foot off the gas and sitting pretty with a cushy lead

ECU was winning that game for an entire 2 minutes until we took the lead again

Spin it like you want. Hmmm...you can dominate the first half, build a lead and that makes you awesome. ECU can dominate defensively, score more than you did in half the time, have our coaches throw the game away and ECU is nothing. Got it. UCF did nothing like taking their foot of the gas. Doesn't matter if we only had the lead for two minutes. You were dominated in the second half. It wasn't as if you woke up and took the game back. Our coaches did that for you. My point was that anyone can be world beaters when you "if" everything to your advantage. Maybe you can see that now?

Seems like a moot point either way you see it.

UCF has no future without O'leary

The school is poop

(12-29-2014 11:49 PM)willhclark Wrote:  UCF has no future without O'leary

The school is poop

As a Coogs fan, you'd know all about that, right?

(12-30-2014 12:01 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:49 PM)willhclark Wrote:  UCF has no future without O'leary

The school is poop

As a Coogs fan, you'd know all about that, right?

hook, line, and sinker.....

(12-29-2014 09:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:46 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 03:58 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  You can see how well that hire and fire is working for schools like usf trying to find the next hot coach. Southern Miss is another example firing Bower. If you want the access bowl, o'leary gives us the best shot. If we make 1 play on the last drive at Penn State and it wasn't 40 degree and raining at uconn, we get the access bowl slot. That is a lot of "ifs", but that wasn't a big leap for us even after losing our OLINE and top 3 pick QB.

If you are going to play the 'if' game then last year's magical run could have easily been derailed if miracle comebacks at Memphis and Temple don't happen or if that Thursday night miracle in Greenville doesn't happen this season...so you get the picture.

The problem is if we actually played consistent football none of those games would have been in doubt. We were destroying ECU, that game should have been outif reach.

C'mon man. Yes, you had a great first half but ball games have two halves. ECU shut down UCF in the third and then destroyed UCF in the 4th. Offensively, ECU did in one quarter what UCF managed over three quarters. Defensively it was a shutdown in the third and a beatdown in the 4th. Our players beat UCF. Our coaches lost the game for the players. The game was not yours by any stretch. As for consistency, "If" ECU had been consistent each entire game versus just the second half, we would have been in the Access Bowl. Anyone can be world beaters if you are allowed to "If" everything to your advantage.

What you call shutting down. I call UCF taking their foot off the gas and sitting pretty with a cushy lead

ECU was winning that game for an entire 2 minutes until we took the lead again

UCF won the game fair and square. Excuses excuses for ECU. But it's also excuses if you think UCF should have just won going away because they didn't play consistent football. Isn't it also possible that ECU wasn't playing consistent football?

Fans tend to analyze their team's games as if they are playing against air (I'm not just talking about you but all fans, myself included). If things are going well it's because your team is playing well. If things are going poorly it's because your team "came out flat" or "took their foot off the gas" or "underestimated their opponent". The reality is sometimes your team only looks good because the other team is screwing up and sometimes your team looks bad, despite the fact they are playing well, because the other team is playing out of their minds.

(12-30-2014 02:24 AM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:46 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 03:58 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  If you are going to play the 'if' game then last year's magical run could have easily been derailed if miracle comebacks at Memphis and Temple don't happen or if that Thursday night miracle in Greenville doesn't happen this season...so you get the picture.

The problem is if we actually played consistent football none of those games would have been in doubt. We were destroying ECU, that game should have been outif reach.

C'mon man. Yes, you had a great first half but ball games have two halves. ECU shut down UCF in the third and then destroyed UCF in the 4th. Offensively, ECU did in one quarter what UCF managed over three quarters. Defensively it was a shutdown in the third and a beatdown in the 4th. Our players beat UCF. Our coaches lost the game for the players. The game was not yours by any stretch. As for consistency, "If" ECU had been consistent each entire game versus just the second half, we would have been in the Access Bowl. Anyone can be world beaters if you are allowed to "If" everything to your advantage.

What you call shutting down. I call UCF taking their foot off the gas and sitting pretty with a cushy lead

ECU was winning that game for an entire 2 minutes until we took the lead again

UCF won the game fair and square. Excuses excuses for ECU. But it's also excuses if you think UCF should have just won going away because they didn't play consistent football. Isn't it also possible that ECU wasn't playing consistent football?

Fans tend to analyze their team's games as if they are playing against air (I'm not just talking about you but all fans, myself included). If things are going well it's because your team is playing well. If things are going poorly it's because your team "came out flat" or "took their foot off the gas" or "underestimated their opponent". The reality is sometimes your team only looks good because the other team is screwing up and sometimes your team looks bad, despite the fact they are playing well, because the other team is playing out of their minds.

Pretty objective i'd say. EXCEPT for the UCF/ECU game. Obviously UCF came out flat in the second half.*

(12-30-2014 12:01 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:49 PM)willhclark Wrote:  UCF has no future without O'leary

The school is poop

As a Coogs fan, you'd know all about that, right?

(12-30-2014 12:06 PM)willhclark Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 12:01 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:49 PM)willhclark Wrote:  UCF has no future without O'leary

The school is poop

As a Coogs fan, you'd know all about that, right?

I like the new head coach selection. Good luck.

George reiterated today he will not be retiring and will coach the 2015 season.

(12-29-2014 11:49 PM)willhclark Wrote:  UCF has no future without O'leary

The school is poop

Another great and well thought out observation

(12-29-2014 04:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 02:02 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 01:42 PM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:51 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:44 PM)knightastic Wrote:  +1

say GOL retires next December and assume UCF holds on to the Bo QB commit...the new coach would have 3 QBs on the depth chart(holman, harris, and bo) that are 6'3 -6'4 that have the talent to make all the throws. The AAC is such a bad conference that a decent QB alone could get you to 6 wins.

UCF fans forget GOL was the first coach that got all these facilities and the bigger budget. So they are comparing him to no one bc all the previous coaches never got the administration's support and were working with no facilities. Give the keys to someone new to jumpstart UCF's recruiting potential

What "facilities"? We have an aluminum stadium that is a down right embarrassment. The practice field is just a metal warehouse. Give me a break. FAU's stadium although small looks much better. There isn't a facilities advantage in ucf football. Go look at NC state's facilities and compare at mid level acc level.

Wow is this ever a dumb post. Really? You must not have been a UCF fan for very long. I believe the poster was stating the prior coaches had much worse facilities. Besides, UCF has great facilities given its financial resources. An OCS is great no matter what it looks like. All you need is a place to put your butt to watch the game. all the rest is just gravy.

+1

yes I was stating that GOL was the first UCF coach that the administration decided to actually invest in the Football Program. No coach before him got that luxury, old practice fields, crap weight room, everything spread out, etc. So while GOL deserves a lot of credit whenever I hear 'you don't know UCF before him' well my response is that no other coach got the same goods to work with so the comparison is not fair.

GOL has the towers, athletic district meal plan, indoor practice facility, on campus stadium, amazing practice field maintenance, etc

And if you ever read the recruits quotes after visits they always say 'the campus and facilities are awesome'

Agree 100% that GOL probably gets too much credit. Most people overlook Orisini who was the real driving force behind the facilities transformation and of course a President, who as a former college football player himself was sympathetic to athletic department needs.

Relatedly, GOL got very lucky that he worked for a University President that is very tolerant to the on and off the field controversies GOL embroiled himself and the University in over the last 5 years. Most coaches aren’t given that much rope, so combined with the inconsistencies of his first 5 years nobody would have faulted Hitt for firing O’Leary.

One last thing, GOL also benefitted from some good old fashion luck in landing Bortles and his development as a QB. It also helped that his arch rival down the road completely fell apart b/c unlike UCF’s president, USF President fired their program’s architect after his first transgression.

GOL is going to leave behind a mixed legacy regardless of whether he leaves this season or next. Lots of good stuff…and lots of not so good as well.

Does he not get any credit for talent evaluation? He saw the potential in Blake Bortles when other schools wanted to convert him to another position.

GOL will leave a great legacy at UCF. I don't think anyone really focuses on the "bad" stuff as much as some fans (mostly usf).

(12-28-2014 12:16 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:08 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 11:38 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don't want Key, it's not a very exciting hire. UCF won't draw a P5 coach away that's been successful so the best option is to hire a good coach away from a winning G5 program or a highly vaunted coordinator from a great program, the Kirby Smart types (although we couldn't get him). Someone mentioned Geoff Collins, which sounds like a good idea. He was mentored by GOL and took over Ole Miss' defense and made them into the land sharks. I wouldn't be opposed to Bo Pelini. He's basically GOL but thirty years younger.

if Colorado State can get Georgia's OC, UCF can do better than most of our own fans even realize. No to Bo Pelini, if UCF is going to go after a coach with baggage again see if Butch Davis would pick up the phone, that would be a home run hire.

I HATE the rumors that Key is just going to be handed the job. He will run this program into the ground. Other options will be risks but I think Key is even more of a risk

Why not Key? Just because he has been an assistant at UCF? So an assistant at a P5 school assumed to be better even though they have a tv contract worth 2000% and higher rated recruits. I'd rather find a coach that can win with almost no resources.

For now having O'leary is a pretty good option. The guy has done well at GA Tech and UCF. I'd ride this until he is ready to retire.

Why not Key??? Have you seen the o-lines performances this year? Nuff said!

(01-02-2015 02:25 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:16 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:08 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 11:38 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don't want Key, it's not a very exciting hire. UCF won't draw a P5 coach away that's been successful so the best option is to hire a good coach away from a winning G5 program or a highly vaunted coordinator from a great program, the Kirby Smart types (although we couldn't get him). Someone mentioned Geoff Collins, which sounds like a good idea. He was mentored by GOL and took over Ole Miss' defense and made them into the land sharks. I wouldn't be opposed to Bo Pelini. He's basically GOL but thirty years younger.

if Colorado State can get Georgia's OC, UCF can do better than most of our own fans even realize. No to Bo Pelini, if UCF is going to go after a coach with baggage again see if Butch Davis would pick up the phone, that would be a home run hire.

I HATE the rumors that Key is just going to be handed the job. He will run this program into the ground. Other options will be risks but I think Key is even more of a risk

Why not Key? Just because he has been an assistant at UCF? So an assistant at a P5 school assumed to be better even though they have a tv contract worth 2000% and higher rated recruits. I'd rather find a coach that can win with almost no resources.

For now having O'leary is a pretty good option. The guy has done well at GA Tech and UCF. I'd ride this until he is ready to retire.

Why not Key??? Have you seen the o-lines performances this year? Nuff said!

Yeah,

I like Coach Key, and he's been a loyal guy, so I understand GOL's desire to name him the "successor". I just don't feel that's enough reason to appoint a guy whose offensive line has been...well... offensive. It's rumored he's been calling the plays on offense since week 5, I believe. And the results aren't all that impressive. And i'm not even sure how good he is at recruiting.