(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

The top three RBs in the SBC are 19. Some teams find them, some don't.

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

I wasn't saying they can't make an impact. But it also isn't a guarantee either.

(12-17-2014 04:52 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

The top three RBs in the SBC are 19. Some teams find them, some don't.

...cause they are RBs


How many OL and DL are starting at 18 or 19 currently?

I feel like our Juco's have generally been good pickups lately. Travaris Cadet with the Saints and Steven Miller in the CFL were great additions.

(12-17-2014 05:14 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:52 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

The top three RBs in the SBC are 19. Some teams find them, some don't.

...cause they are RBs


How many OL and DL are starting at 18 or 19 currently?

4 of our OL started at either 18 or 19 and 3 of our DL

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

They have no other choice! It can't hurt short term, but how screwed will you be in 2 years or so?

(12-17-2014 05:14 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:52 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

The top three RBs in the SBC are 19. Some teams find them, some don't.

...cause they are RBs


How many OL and DL are starting at 18 or 19 currently?

Our DL is mostly underclassmen, but the OL is another story...

In fact, OL Daniel quave is set to make his 52nd consecutive start Saturday against Nevada.... A record that will most likely never be broken, probably never be tied either.

(12-17-2014 07:32 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

They have no other choice! It can't hurt short term, but how screwed will you be in 2 years or so?

You bring in JUCOs to fill an immediate need where, most likely, you are signing a kid out of HS for the furture. That gives them time to build strength, add weight and acclimate to the system. They can be resdshirted then sent in their RSfrosh year as depth or, they may work their way to 1st team.

TXST would never have been able to add depth without bringing in JUCOs (tons of them) to fill huge voids as we transitioned.

FWIW - Mayo was a JUCO with no other offers.

(12-17-2014 08:07 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  In fact, OL Daniel quave is set to make his 52nd consecutive start Saturday against Nevada.... A record that will most likely never be broken, probably never be tied either.

It could be passed if a guy started for all 4 years, and the SBC went to a title game, but it would still take an uncommon run.

(12-17-2014 05:14 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:52 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:46 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  a team can sign 15 jucos if you want. doesn't mean the team will actually get any better.

Good thing our Arbuckle was recruited out of high... oh wait. It can help with immediate depth issues, which we have. Very few 18 year old kids can take on 23 year old men.

The top three RBs in the SBC are 19. Some teams find them, some don't.

...cause they are RBs


How many OL and DL are starting at 18 or 19 currently?

Three of App's starting olineman and 3 on the two deep (50%) at Dline are 18 or 19.

In addition one starter at DB, two at LB, one at TE, two key WRs, one at QB. They looked pretty good down the stretch, especially that one snow game.

(12-17-2014 04:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:39 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I guess the Sun Belt is trying to follow the K-State model. That's a lot of Jucos guys if I were a HS kid I would have second thoughts about going to a school with so many mature ready to play kids. I am all for competition but that's stacking the deck. Don't get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for signing kids from the Juco ranks but it seems a little much.

A little contradictory.

It may be but it just seems par for the course in the Sun Belt. Not saying other G5 schools are not doing it but it's a gamble. I know recruiting is a gamble in itself but to me you want to take HS kids because you will have more time to shape and mold them. Jucos are around 2 maybe 3yrs and if you miss you have less time to recover from that mistake.

We keep saying there is a perception problem with the Sun Belt and teams having a number of Jucos is part of it. I know it not the only part but it adds to it. I think of Kansas St a little differently than the other teams in the B12 because they have so many Jucos. It may just be me and I could be reading too much into it. GS took some Jucos last year(4) and one so far this year so we are contributing as well.

Ole Miss signed some great Jucis today. 5 or 6 midterm guys in a class is not a lot. 85 total slits and attrition make those ratios fairly low.

UT takes JUCOs. We've lost a couple to them over the years. I would bet a vast number of DI schools do. It may only be 1 or 2 or many but they do it. It's not exclusive to the SBC or G5s.

No, I'm not going to go check rosters of 128 schools.

(12-17-2014 04:39 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I guess the Sun Belt is trying to follow the K-State model. That's a lot of Jucos guys if I were a HS kid I would have second thoughts about going to a school with so many mature ready to play kids. I am all for competition but that's stacking the deck. Don't get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for signing kids from the Juco ranks but it seems a little much.

About 20 percent or so is pretty average. There are some years in which you have to sign a few more to fill a major hole or two, and others where you don't sign them at all.

No one is advocating pulling a Troy and signing an entire class of them, but pulling 5 or 6 is hardly something major to write home about.

Ok

(12-17-2014 11:30 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:39 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I guess the Sun Belt is trying to follow the K-State model. That's a lot of Jucos guys if I were a HS kid I would have second thoughts about going to a school with so many mature ready to play kids. I am all for competition but that's stacking the deck. Don't get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for signing kids from the Juco ranks but it seems a little much.

A little contradictory.

It may be but it just seems par for the course in the Sun Belt. Not saying other G5 schools are not doing it but it's a gamble. I know recruiting is a gamble in itself but to me you want to take HS kids because you will have more time to shape and mold them. Jucos are around 2 maybe 3yrs and if you miss you have less time to recover from that mistake.

We keep saying there is a perception problem with the Sun Belt and teams having a number of Jucos is part of it. I know it not the only part but it adds to it. I think of Kansas St a little differently than the other teams in the B12 because they have so many Jucos. It may just be me and I could be reading too much into it. GS took some Jucos last year(4) and one so far this year so we are contributing as well.

The Sun Belt perception problem is due getting our rear ends handed to us by other conferences not JUCOs.

(12-18-2014 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:30 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:39 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I guess the Sun Belt is trying to follow the K-State model. That's a lot of Jucos guys if I were a HS kid I would have second thoughts about going to a school with so many mature ready to play kids. I am all for competition but that's stacking the deck. Don't get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for signing kids from the Juco ranks but it seems a little much.

A little contradictory.

It may be but it just seems par for the course in the Sun Belt. Not saying other G5 schools are not doing it but it's a gamble. I know recruiting is a gamble in itself but to me you want to take HS kids because you will have more time to shape and mold them. Jucos are around 2 maybe 3yrs and if you miss you have less time to recover from that mistake.

We keep saying there is a perception problem with the Sun Belt and teams having a number of Jucos is part of it. I know it not the only part but it adds to it. I think of Kansas St a little differently than the other teams in the B12 because they have so many Jucos. It may just be me and I could be reading too much into it. GS took some Jucos last year(4) and one so far this year so we are contributing as well.

The Sun Belt perception problem is due getting our rear ends handed to us by other conferences not JUCOs.

And so many teams in bottom 10 and 25, terrible basketball, etc. we have a lot of work to do to change perception. And with the continual poaching of SBC teams, thats going to be tough..

(12-18-2014 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:30 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:39 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I guess the Sun Belt is trying to follow the K-State model. That's a lot of Jucos guys if I were a HS kid I would have second thoughts about going to a school with so many mature ready to play kids. I am all for competition but that's stacking the deck. Don't get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for signing kids from the Juco ranks but it seems a little much.

A little contradictory.

It may be but it just seems par for the course in the Sun Belt. Not saying other G5 schools are not doing it but it's a gamble. I know recruiting is a gamble in itself but to me you want to take HS kids because you will have more time to shape and mold them. Jucos are around 2 maybe 3yrs and if you miss you have less time to recover from that mistake.

We keep saying there is a perception problem with the Sun Belt and teams having a number of Jucos is part of it. I know it not the only part but it adds to it. I think of Kansas St a little differently than the other teams in the B12 because they have so many Jucos. It may just be me and I could be reading too much into it. GS took some Jucos last year(4) and one so far this year so we are contributing as well.

The Sun Belt perception problem is due getting our rear ends handed to us by other conferences not JUCOs.

yes. our schools need to quit scheduling road games at the top few programs and schedule games against other P5 teams and then beat some of them. doesnt do a lot of good to start out every season 0-3.

(12-18-2014 08:25 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:30 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:39 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I guess the Sun Belt is trying to follow the K-State model. That's a lot of Jucos guys if I were a HS kid I would have second thoughts about going to a school with so many mature ready to play kids. I am all for competition but that's stacking the deck. Don't get me wrong I am not knocking anyone for signing kids from the Juco ranks but it seems a little much.

A little contradictory.

It may be but it just seems par for the course in the Sun Belt. Not saying other G5 schools are not doing it but it's a gamble. I know recruiting is a gamble in itself but to me you want to take HS kids because you will have more time to shape and mold them. Jucos are around 2 maybe 3yrs and if you miss you have less time to recover from that mistake.

We keep saying there is a perception problem with the Sun Belt and teams having a number of Jucos is part of it. I know it not the only part but it adds to it. I think of Kansas St a little differently than the other teams in the B12 because they have so many Jucos. It may just be me and I could be reading too much into it. GS took some Jucos last year(4) and one so far this year so we are contributing as well.

The Sun Belt perception problem is due getting our rear ends handed to us by other conferences not JUCOs.

yes. our schools need to quit scheduling road games at the top few programs and schedule games against other P5 teams and then beat some of them. doesnt do a lot of good to start out every season 0-3.

Hard to walk away from that kind of money. Not everyone can play Purdue or Virginia.