RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 02:29 PM)eastside cat Wrote: Bearcats are already gone, just waiting for it to be official. I think Big 12 takes BYU and UC. Memphis is not going to happen. One good season at football does not make a program.
You're the most optimistic person I know about this. Wish I could share the rosy outlook.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
Usually I am not so much, but I really feel it is about to happen. But, then, I thought the Bengals were going to the Super Bowl this year.
(12-13-2014 04:27 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:
(12-13-2014 02:29 PM)eastside cat Wrote: Bearcats are already gone, just waiting for it to be official. I think Big 12 takes BYU and UC. Memphis is not going to happen. One good season at football does not make a program.
You're the most optimistic person I know about this. Wish I could share the rosy outlook.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
Nope.
(12-13-2014 02:59 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:
(12-13-2014 02:29 PM)eastside cat Wrote: Bearcats are already gone, just waiting for it to be official. I think Big 12 takes BYU and UC. Memphis is not going to happen. One good season at football does not make a program.
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New York market trumped good team.
(12-13-2014 03:55 PM)indydoug Wrote:
(12-13-2014 02:29 PM)eastside cat Wrote: Bearcats are already gone, just waiting for it to be official. I think Big 12 takes BYU and UC. Memphis is not going to happen. One good season at football does not make a program.
I don't know,....Rutgers is still waiting for their 1st one...
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
Only BYU brings value to the league. The Big12 would have to carry the other schools and pray that they become a TCU. And none of you are close to being a TCU pre-Big12.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 04:59 PM)isidnirb Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
Only BYU brings value to the league. The Big12 would have to carry the other schools and pray that they become a TCU. And none of you are close to being a TCU pre-Big12.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 05:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:59 PM)isidnirb Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
Only BYU brings value to the league. The Big12 would have to carry the other schools and pray that they become a TCU. And none of you are close to being a TCU pre-Big12.
15-1 AAC record is pretty dominate...and this...
TCU last four years in MWC
47-5, 30-2 in league Rose and Fiesta Bowl
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
Sorry, but your logic is a bit flawed. UC is 2-1 against TCU football. How can you make the leap that UC cannot become a TCU? When I look how far UC football has come in the last ten years, it is completely possible. Throw in UC basketball and UC adds a lot of value to Big 12.
(12-13-2014 04:59 PM)isidnirb Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
Only BYU brings value to the league. The Big12 would have to carry the other schools and pray that they become a TCU. And none of you are close to being a TCU pre-Big12.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
your tellin me cinci, byu are better than baylor tcu,
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 05:13 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:
(12-13-2014 05:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:59 PM)isidnirb Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
Only BYU brings value to the league. The Big12 would have to carry the other schools and pray that they become a TCU. And none of you are close to being a TCU pre-Big12.
15-1 AAC record is pretty dominate...and this...
TCU last four years in MWC
47-5, 30-2 in league Rose and Fiesta Bowl
You guys have a ways to go
TCU was a SWC co founder and has been playing the big 12 schools forever, so there's that....plays in a historical stadium, and TCU's record going into the big 12 and coming from a tough MWC that had byu and Utah:
05: 11-1, won at Oklahoma and beat Iowa st in bowl game.
06: 11-2, beat Baylor and Texas tech
07: 8-5, beat Baylor and Stanford
08: 11-2, beat Stanford and undefeated Boise st in bowl game.
09: 12-1, won at Clemson and Virginia and lost to undefeated Boise in fiesta bowl
10: 13-0, beat Wisconsin in rose bowl and won vs Oregon st and Baylor
11: 11-2, beat undefeated Boise st.
You have to know this.....I see no comparison whatsoever between tcu and UCF
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 06:14 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
your tellin me cinci, byu are better than baylor tcu,
No, not at all. What did I say that would make you think I believe either team is better this year. Your clueless, I do not know where to begin. I can only believe that you are being willfully ignorant.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-12-2014 11:19 AM)AusTxPony Wrote: No expansion according to Big 12 (Dallas Morning News reports). They prefer a rematch of top two teams as a Championship game before any expansion "just to have a CG, the weakest of any argument to expand".
They don't want to look desperate....you will see in May.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 07:53 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 06:14 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
your tellin me cinci, byu are better than baylor tcu,
No, not at all. What did I say that would make you think I believe either team is better this year. Your clueless, I do not know where to begin. I can only believe that you are being willfully ignorant.
Not sure what drove the arrogance in his comments because you didn't say or even hint that any of those programs were better than (his words) "baylor tcu".
I don't agree that any of those programs that you listed make that B12 "better", but that's not what they are trying to do any way.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 08:45 PM)oldtiger Wrote:
(12-13-2014 07:53 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 06:14 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:21 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: i'll say it again, why expand and loose 40mil a year, just doesn't make sense to ad teams that don't make the league better
How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
your tellin me cinci, byu are better than baylor tcu,
No, not at all. What did I say that would make you think I believe either team is better this year. Your clueless, I do not know where to begin. I can only believe that you are being willfully ignorant.
Not sure what drove the arrogance in his comments because you didn't say or even hint that any of those programs were better than (his words) "baylor tcu".
I don't agree that any of those programs that you listed make that B12 "better", but that's not what they are trying to do any way.
It depends on how you define better. None of the teams mentioned would finish under Kansas or Iowa State. Most years the teams would finish in the top half and make the league better, but this is very subjective.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 10:04 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 08:45 PM)oldtiger Wrote:
(12-13-2014 07:53 PM)rosewater Wrote:
(12-13-2014 06:14 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:
(12-13-2014 04:32 PM)rosewater Wrote: How do you figure that they will "loose" 40 million a year. You presume that a team like Cincy, Memphis, UCF or Byu has no value. You totally ignore the fact with two more teams you gain a championship game, a 25 million plus value. Teams like the above will make the league better in both football and basketball. Ncaa credits in basketball also amount to a pretty penny. These teams are not horrible in football like some other teams you may be acquainted with.
your tellin me cinci, byu are better than baylor tcu,
No, not at all. What did I say that would make you think I believe either team is better this year. Your clueless, I do not know where to begin. I can only believe that you are being willfully ignorant.
Not sure what drove the arrogance in his comments because you didn't say or even hint that any of those programs were better than (his words) "baylor tcu".
I don't agree that any of those programs that you listed make that B12 "better", but that's not what they are trying to do any way.
It depends on how you define better. None of the teams mentioned would finish under Kansas or Iowa State. Most years the teams would finish in the top half and make the league better, but this is very subjective.
Not a problem and not a big deal. Not sure why I even mentioned it because it has nothing to do with stookey's attack on your comment since the major thrust of what you were saying had to do with he championship game/playoff selection, which is the issue that the B12 is trying to solve. I was merely agreeing that his response was unwarranted and should have left off my other comments.
RE: Will the Big 12 look to the AAC for expansion?
(12-13-2014 08:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:
(12-12-2014 11:19 AM)AusTxPony Wrote: No expansion according to Big 12 (Dallas Morning News reports). They prefer a rematch of top two teams as a Championship game before any expansion "just to have a CG, the weakest of any argument to expand".
They don't want to look desperate....you will see in May.
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