(02-25-2015 05:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 02:35 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  qua truth is even bobby knight said this is a good conference
Pls. Stop

I know the AAC is a good basketball conference. Never said otherwise. We just aren't having a good year. Football had a bad year, and now basketball is having a bad year. Not a good way to start in the new CFP era.

Here's the thing, if this is a floor, and as bad as it gets, with 4 tourney teams quite possibly.... that's not too bad at all.

That is a somewhat squishy "if" though. We all know that for a decade, during the 1980s, the Big East was a dominant basketball conference without any football at all, and then after that we remained a top basketball conference despite being the perceived tail-end of the BCS-AQ football litter.

I think that it is still possible to have very good basketball without any football or without Power-level football, so I think both the AAC and Big East can thrive hoops-wise. But many do not think so, there is a belief now that if you aren't in a P5 conference, all of your other sports will whither on the vine due to lack of resources.

That's the idea the AAC and Big East are up against.

(02-25-2015 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 02:35 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  qua truth is even bobby knight said this is a good conference
Pls. Stop

I know the AAC is a good basketball conference. Never said otherwise. We just aren't having a good year. Football had a bad year, and now basketball is having a bad year. Not a good way to start in the new CFP era.

Here's the thing, if this is a floor, and as bad as it gets, with 4 tourney teams quite possibly.... that's not too bad at all.

That is a somewhat squishy "if" though. We all know that for a decade, during the 1980s, the Big East was a dominant basketball conference without any football at all, and then after that we remained a top basketball conference despite being the perceived tail-end of the BCS-AQ football litter.

I think that it is still possible to have very good basketball without any football or without Power-level football, so I think both the AAC and Big East can thrive hoops-wise. But many do not think so, there is a belief now that if you aren't in a P5 conference, all of your other sports will whither on the vine due to lack of resources.

That's the idea the AAC and Big East are up against.

That's the thing- the AAC and Big East should be going for each other. Not the cut throat stuff you see on each others boards.

(02-25-2015 09:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 02:35 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  qua truth is even bobby knight said this is a good conference
Pls. Stop

I know the AAC is a good basketball conference. Never said otherwise. We just aren't having a good year. Football had a bad year, and now basketball is having a bad year. Not a good way to start in the new CFP era.

Here's the thing, if this is a floor, and as bad as it gets, with 4 tourney teams quite possibly.... that's not too bad at all.

That is a somewhat squishy "if" though. We all know that for a decade, during the 1980s, the Big East was a dominant basketball conference without any football at all, and then after that we remained a top basketball conference despite being the perceived tail-end of the BCS-AQ football litter.

I think that it is still possible to have very good basketball without any football or without Power-level football, so I think both the AAC and Big East can thrive hoops-wise. But many do not think so, there is a belief now that if you aren't in a P5 conference, all of your other sports will whither on the vine due to lack of resources.

That's the idea the AAC and Big East are up against.

That's the thing- the AAC and Big East should be going for each other. Not the cut throat stuff you see on each others boards.

The OBE should not have split to begin with.

Villanova should have forced the FB issue and joined for all sports.

FB - East - UConn, Temple, Villanova, ECU, USF, UCF.
FB - West - Navy, SMU, Houston, Cinn, Tulane, Memphis.
Championship Game
8 game conference schedule - 5 & 3

BB and Olympic sports single round Robin 16 game schedules.

Scheduling agreements with independents BYU and Army.
TV contract with ESPN would have been more lucrative.
Games not scheduled with ESPN would be scheduled with CBS sports channel that the NBE scheduled with for additional revenue after ESPN took the games they wanted.

Might not have been a P5 for FB but this would have still ranked as one of the top BB conferences in the country.

(02-26-2015 12:15 AM)panite Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I know the AAC is a good basketball conference. Never said otherwise. We just aren't having a good year. Football had a bad year, and now basketball is having a bad year. Not a good way to start in the new CFP era.

Here's the thing, if this is a floor, and as bad as it gets, with 4 tourney teams quite possibly.... that's not too bad at all.

That is a somewhat squishy "if" though. We all know that for a decade, during the 1980s, the Big East was a dominant basketball conference without any football at all, and then after that we remained a top basketball conference despite being the perceived tail-end of the BCS-AQ football litter.

I think that it is still possible to have very good basketball without any football or without Power-level football, so I think both the AAC and Big East can thrive hoops-wise. But many do not think so, there is a belief now that if you aren't in a P5 conference, all of your other sports will whither on the vine due to lack of resources.

That's the idea the AAC and Big East are up against.

That's the thing- the AAC and Big East should be going for each other. Not the cut throat stuff you see on each others boards.

The OBE should not have split to begin with.

Villanova should have forced the FB issue and joined for all sports.

FB - East - UConn, Temple, Villanova, ECU, USF, UCF.
FB - West - Navy, SMU, Houston, Cinn, Tulane, Memphis.
Championship Game
8 game conference schedule - 5 & 3

BB and Olympic sports single round Robin 16 game schedules.

Scheduling agreements with independents BYU and Army.
TV contract with ESPN would have been more lucrative.
Games not scheduled with ESPN would be scheduled with CBS sports channel that the NBE scheduled with for additional revenue after ESPN took the games they wanted.

Might not have been a P5 for FB but this would have still ranked as one of the top BB conferences in the country.

I personally agree with you. One small difference, they would have had 18 conference games in hoops still- with 2 play backs.

(02-26-2015 12:15 AM)panite Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I know the AAC is a good basketball conference. Never said otherwise. We just aren't having a good year. Football had a bad year, and now basketball is having a bad year. Not a good way to start in the new CFP era.

Here's the thing, if this is a floor, and as bad as it gets, with 4 tourney teams quite possibly.... that's not too bad at all.

That is a somewhat squishy "if" though. We all know that for a decade, during the 1980s, the Big East was a dominant basketball conference without any football at all, and then after that we remained a top basketball conference despite being the perceived tail-end of the BCS-AQ football litter.

I think that it is still possible to have very good basketball without any football or without Power-level football, so I think both the AAC and Big East can thrive hoops-wise. But many do not think so, there is a belief now that if you aren't in a P5 conference, all of your other sports will whither on the vine due to lack of resources.

That's the idea the AAC and Big East are up against.

That's the thing- the AAC and Big East should be going for each other. Not the cut throat stuff you see on each others boards.

The OBE should not have split to begin with.

Villanova should have forced the FB issue and joined for all sports.

FB - East - UConn, Temple, Villanova, ECU, USF, UCF.
FB - West - Navy, SMU, Houston, Cinn, Tulane, Memphis.
Championship Game
8 game conference schedule - 5 & 3

BB and Olympic sports single round Robin 16 game schedules.

Scheduling agreements with independents BYU and Army.
TV contract with ESPN would have been more lucrative.
Games not scheduled with ESPN would be scheduled with CBS sports channel that the NBE scheduled with for additional revenue after ESPN took the games they wanted.

Might not have been a P5 for FB but this would have still ranked as one of the top BB conferences in the country.

I understand the sentiment, but as someone with a foot in both the Big East and AAC, I am glad the split happened, as there was just too-great a conflict of interest between schools at which football is driving the bus and schools that are all about basketball.

My only real fear was that the C7 split would leave both the AAC and Big East with irrelevant basketball. But to the contrary, that hasn't happened. The Big East and AAC are both very relevant basketball conferences, each is in the same tier as P5 conferences like the SEC and PAC. Meaning that in a general sense, each is still playing "big time" basketball.

So given that both still have relevant basketball, IMO the focus that each has been able to achieve make the split very worthwhile, even though from my POV it sucks that the Big East lost UConn. And by that I don't mean the surface-level fact that UConn is a top program and thus would make the Big East a stronger conference, but rather in the deeper sense that a third of a century of competition in the Big East had made that rivalry an important part of the fabric of Georgetown basketball. Even though Syracuse was our bigger rival, I always felt an affinity for UConn because like us, circa 1979 their basketball just about didn't exist from a national point of view. We grew up together in the Big East.

(02-24-2015 07:56 PM)laser101 Wrote:  Instead of the new Big East reference, I believe C-10 is the accurate description of that conference now.

I don't see why, as the split wasn't about Catholic vs non-Catholic, it was football vs basketball.

In the Big East of 1980-2013, there was no Catholic/non-Catholic rift. From the start, the conference had important Catholic and non-Catholic members and they worked well together on everything. The core issue that dogged us from 1990 on was football not religion.

I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

(02-26-2015 06:03 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

I disagree. Do that and kiss any chance of a future P5 home goodbye. UCONN is the only football for Connecticut residents to watch on Fridays/Saturdays. There is no competition from the NFL or other instate college programs on those days. Horrible on-the-field product and no longer having regional rivals are the two biggest issues. UCONN fans have gotten used to having winning programs. If Diaco can right the ship, UCONN will be fine.

(02-26-2015 06:03 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

Any NFL fan can watch the Giants, Jets or Pats in every state in the country.

Also, unless its a Thursday Night NFL Game involving your favorite team and your college playing a Thursday Night game at the same time...NFL and College games for your teams almost never overlap.

By watching them I mean without nfl package, As was said there are no regional rivals,no football traditions ,crappy schedule,a bad hire in PP and a stadium way too small.
It wasn’t UConn’s Northeast footprint or its 21st national ranking among public universities that lost it. The lack of football tradition and game-day environment at Rentschler Field (capacity 40,000) did, according to an ACC source.
Lack of football tradition and game day environment?

Those are code words for something. Let’s take it at face value and look at attendance.

The Huskies were 67th out of 120 teams in attendance last year at just over 34,672.

How about compared to the Power 5 (hate that term)?

UConn only had a higher-attendance last season than a single team in a Power 5 conference — Duke (79th at 28,170 per game) — which plays in a stadium with a track around it like a high school field.



The Huskies aren’t far away from the power conferences in attendance.

Big Ten bound Maryland is 64th (36,023) and Boston College 63rd (37,020) with Syracuse 61st (37,953) and Pitt 58th (41,494).

This is where the stadium size of Rentschler Field becomes a problem.

All those stadiums are much bigger than UConn’s Rentschler Field and when a big game comes to town can support the crush.

Many of those teams have several marquee games on the schedule that pack the house. The Huskies can’t really fit much more than they are getting per game, though the decline of 4,000 per game in attendance from a high of 38,000+ in 2009 to 34,000 in 2012 has to be of utmost concern.

(02-26-2015 08:40 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  By watching them I mean without nfl package, As was said there are no regional rivals,no football traditions ,crappy schedule,a bad hire in PP and a stadium way too small.
It wasn’t UConn’s Northeast footprint or its 21st national ranking among public universities that lost it. The lack of football tradition and game-day environment at Rentschler Field (capacity 40,000) did, according to an ACC source.
Lack of football tradition and game day environment?

Those are code words for something. Let’s take it at face value and look at attendance.

The Huskies were 67th out of 120 teams in attendance last year at just over 34,672.

How about compared to the Power 5 (hate that term)?

UConn only had a higher-attendance last season than a single team in a Power 5 conference — Duke (79th at 28,170 per game) — which plays in a stadium with a track around it like a high school field.



The Huskies aren’t far away from the power conferences in attendance.

Big Ten bound Maryland is 64th (36,023) and Boston College 63rd (37,020) with Syracuse 61st (37,953) and Pitt 58th (41,494).

This is where the stadium size of Rentschler Field becomes a problem.

All those stadiums are much bigger than UConn’s Rentschler Field and when a big game comes to town can support the crush.

Many of those teams have several marquee games on the schedule that pack the house. The Huskies can’t really fit much more than they are getting per game, though the decline of 4,000 per game in attendance from a high of 38,000+ in 2009 to 34,000 in 2012 has to be of utmost concern.

Either link up, or shut up.

Also, you never answered how the Giants, Jets and Pats overlap with UCONN when UCONN doesn't play on Sunday. So, Mr. Genius.....how is the local NFL team overlapping with UCONN?

(02-26-2015 06:03 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

You know what they say about opinions. I'd keep my crappy ones to myself if I was looking at an NIT invite, while 4 other AAC programs were carrying us in the national conversation.

Bob Knight begs to differ.

(02-26-2015 09:57 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 06:03 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

You know what they say about opinions. I'd keep my crappy ones to myself if I was looking at an NIT invite, while 4 other AAC programs were carrying us in the national conversation.

Bob Knight begs to differ.

Ignore him. He speaks for maybe 2% of the UCONN fanbase.

(02-26-2015 09:57 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 06:03 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

You know what they say about opinions. I'd keep my crappy ones to myself if I was looking at an NIT invite, while 4 other AAC programs were carrying us in the national conversation.

Bob Knight begs to differ.

The only reason the AAC is part of the national discussion is because UCONN is a part of the AAC. The only team to truly do the conference proud this year is SMU. NCAA or NIT we command far more attention than nearly everyone else put together. As someone who loves to hang his hat on the accomplishments of others you should know this better than anyone.

(02-26-2015 11:47 PM)rallen Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 09:57 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 06:03 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  I agree about the AAC ,this league is crappy and its going to hurt UCONN in the long run.If you have lived in CT you know that college football is a zero draw.You can flip the dial and watch Giants,Jets or Pats all on local tv,there is just no competition here on that level.

I would prefer playing in the BE than this new league and just downplay football altogether

You know what they say about opinions. I'd keep my crappy ones to myself if I was looking at an NIT invite, while 4 other AAC programs were carrying us in the national conversation.

Bob Knight begs to differ.

The only reason the AAC is part of the national discussion is because UCONN is a part of the AAC. The only team to truly do the conference proud this year is SMU. NCAA or NIT we command far more attention than nearly everyone else put together. As someone who loves to hang his hat on the accomplishments of others you should know this better than anyone.

While everyone recognizes UConn's achievements, AAC basketball hardly begins and ends with UConn.

The only extra attention your NIT bracket will draw this year will be focused on UConn as the defending national champ's off year. Even that storyline will not command more attention than "everyone else put together".

UCONN has the trophy's in the case that make them the bell cow of the league and there is no disputing that fact, but as for the original subject of this thread, there is no way in hell that they are joining the NBE. I understand their fans along with Cincy and USF being nostalgic for old big east basketball, but that ship has sailed never to return and they aren't going to put their football in the MAC just to have more regional games against the catholic 7.

(02-26-2015 11:47 PM)rallen Wrote:  As someone who loves to hang his hat on the accomplishments of others you should know this better than anyone.

Just like ACC fans cheered on Florida State to win their natty. Or B1G fans wanted Ohio State to progress in the playoffs.
As a UCF alumnus, I took no offense to other AAC fans that cheered on UCF to win over the Big 12 Champion Baylor.

So, I find it queer to have anyone say I'm "hanging my hat" because I root for another conference team, or take pride in the accomplishments of a conference member...

But, rallen, you are a queer fellow.

(02-26-2015 08:54 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 08:40 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  By watching them I mean without nfl package, As was said there are no regional rivals,no football traditions ,crappy schedule,a bad hire in PP and a stadium way too small.
It wasn’t UConn’s Northeast footprint or its 21st national ranking among public universities that lost it. The lack of football tradition and game-day environment at Rentschler Field (capacity 40,000) did, according to an ACC source.
Lack of football tradition and game day environment?

Those are code words for something. Let’s take it at face value and look at attendance.

The Huskies were 67th out of 120 teams in attendance last year at just over 34,672.

How about compared to the Power 5 (hate that term)?

UConn only had a higher-attendance last season than a single team in a Power 5 conference — Duke (79th at 28,170 per game) — which plays in a stadium with a track around it like a high school field.



The Huskies aren’t far away from the power conferences in attendance.

Big Ten bound Maryland is 64th (36,023) and Boston College 63rd (37,020) with Syracuse 61st (37,953) and Pitt 58th (41,494).

This is where the stadium size of Rentschler Field becomes a problem.

All those stadiums are much bigger than UConn’s Rentschler Field and when a big game comes to town can support the crush.

Many of those teams have several marquee games on the schedule that pack the house. The Huskies can’t really fit much more than they are getting per game, though the decline of 4,000 per game in attendance from a high of 38,000+ in 2009 to 34,000 in 2012 has to be of utmost concern.

Either link up, or shut up.

Also, you never answered how the Giants, Jets and Pats overlap with UCONN when UCONN doesn't play on Sunday. So, Mr. Genius.....how is the local NFL team overlapping with UCONN?

They overlap because they compete for the football fan's interest. The yankee football fan is an NFL not college fan. Unlike in the south and midwest there is no Friday/Saturday/Sunday, HS/College/NFL football culture in UConn's neck of the woods.

So whereas in Texas, the Houston Texans and UT or TAMU complement each other, in the NYC area it doesn't work that way.

the uconnhusky fb team is loved in conn and will be much better if they find a quarterback.....

(02-26-2015 08:54 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 08:40 PM)chiller99 Wrote:  By watching them I mean without nfl package, As was said there are no regional rivals,no football traditions ,crappy schedule,a bad hire in PP and a stadium way too small.
It wasn’t UConn’s Northeast footprint or its 21st national ranking among public universities that lost it. The lack of football tradition and game-day environment at Rentschler Field (capacity 40,000) did, according to an ACC source.
Lack of football tradition and game day environment?

Those are code words for something. Let’s take it at face value and look at attendance.

The Huskies were 67th out of 120 teams in attendance last year at just over 34,672.

How about compared to the Power 5 (hate that term)?

UConn only had a higher-attendance last season than a single team in a Power 5 conference — Duke (79th at 28,170 per game) — which plays in a stadium with a track around it like a high school field.



The Huskies aren’t far away from the power conferences in attendance.

Big Ten bound Maryland is 64th (36,023) and Boston College 63rd (37,020) with Syracuse 61st (37,953) and Pitt 58th (41,494).

This is where the stadium size of Rentschler Field becomes a problem.

All those stadiums are much bigger than UConn’s Rentschler Field and when a big game comes to town can support the crush.

Many of those teams have several marquee games on the schedule that pack the house. The Huskies can’t really fit much more than they are getting per game, though the decline of 4,000 per game in attendance from a high of 38,000+ in 2009 to 34,000 in 2012 has to be of utmost concern.

Either link up, or shut up.

Also, you never answered how the Giants, Jets and Pats overlap with UCONN when UCONN doesn't play on Sunday. So, Mr. Genius.....how is the local NFL team overlapping with UCONN?

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