(11-21-2014 07:06 AM)AppMtneer08 Wrote:  Did stAte expect Texas St to roll over for them too?

A lot of us did. Anyone can line up and run on us at this point. We have work to do in the weight room and on the recruiting trail for our defense this offseason.

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

Yeah, that is nonsense. Conference has nothing to do with the struggle lately. That is a terrible excuse.

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  ASU is going to be fine. Not many programs can change staff's as much as you have and still remain competitive. That says alot about your program.

I agree. This season was expected by the rational stAte fans. We have a lot of talent but we had some holes from all the coaching changes and need some time and consistency to get things back on track. We will be better next year, guaranteed. This staff had one of the few impressive non-conference wins and scored points by the truckload most of the year. It isn't the coaching, it is the lack of depth and experience. That is fixable.

on the bright side, it looks like you guys will have the same coach for 2 years in a row.

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 02:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  what happens to a college football team when they go through 5 coaching changes in a 5 year span, and then lose 19 players from their original 2 deep to season ending injuries... Just watch Arkansas State play for a few minutes

I feel bad for our Seniors. You just cant overcome all of this combined.

I can't imagine any college football program has been faced with this circumstance, ever.

Actually, it's pretty amazing that they had such a great run considering. It had to hit a stumbling point in success and recruting with all of of the turnover eventually. And add in the fact that the current coach is by far the weakest of the group, probably didn't help.

That guy didn't have a great reputation when he was the OC at UL either.

Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

I don't think he has reputation issues here, he has issues that we've seen out of every rookie coach we've ever had. I don't think he coached a poor game last night, no in game decisions seemed off...its just the team is still frantically trying to cover for all of our exposed weaknesses, and its not working.

(11-21-2014 07:06 AM)AppMtneer08 Wrote:  Did stAte expect Texas St to roll over for them too?

Contrary to what Knighten said, a few of our fans expected that App might do it as well. There were a few of us who were being very quiet that entire week, primarily because we had a bad feeling about what might happen.

All Texas State did was pretty much copy your game plan. The difference between the two games is they didn't go prevent on defense at the end and let us back in it.

(11-21-2014 09:59 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  ASU is going to be fine. Not many programs can change staff's as much as you have and still remain competitive. That says alot about your program.

I agree. This season was expected by the rational stAte fans. We have a lot of talent but we had some holes from all the coaching changes and need some time and consistency to get things back on track. We will be better next year, guaranteed. This staff had one of the few impressive non-conference wins and scored points by the truckload most of the year. It isn't the coaching, it is the lack of depth and experience. That is fixable.

Good post. Injuries just reveal a lack of depth and experience. Keep the same coach for a few years and give him a chance to recruit and develop some better depth and you guys will be okay. Looking at the bigger picture, Arkansas State should end up 7-5 and in a bowl game. Coming off three straight conference championships, I think you guys will be just fine.

(11-21-2014 03:07 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Sure glad we didn't have to play that juggernaut this season.

C'mon man, sometimes it would be best if you'd filter a little of what comes from your key board. They are in pretty bad shape physically and in a tough stretch with some pretty good defensive fronts. And maybe coaching continuity or the lack thereof is an issue that may be manifesting itself in experienced depth (less reps, losing a little on the recruiting trail during the turmoil of the change, etc.) TX ST is a good football team, Appy is hitting a stride that we know that they have. Tough loss, TX ST once again a good game plan and execution.

(11-21-2014 09:07 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 08:46 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

That ship has already sailed. The Sun Belt brought in 2 programs with rich history and a great fan base. Ark State future is to catch up, not keep pace!

We've done ok in this conference. Others are doing well in the conference now. The conference is not a reason for our issues this year.

The strong starts and season ending collapses in the last decade were because we would install a new offense, it would go gangbusters until film was available and opponents figured it out....we would never adjust....offensive production would fall off. Resulting in season ending collapse. Steve Roberts.

Same type thing with our weird defense this year. Once ULL figured it out it was open season on our defense. We did not adjust....probably because we didn't have the personnel to do anything else. Hopefully because we didn't have the personnel.

App State and Georgia Southern are just starting and the Fun Belt will be even tougher.

Ark State needs stability in their program. Coaching changes, new coaching philosophies, recruiting changes all take their bumps towards a programs immediate success and failure.

With winning comes changes in the Sun Belt compared to the Big 5 conferences. Fan base is a must for any teams consistent success. It brings life to players, college, community, and coaches!

(11-21-2014 10:25 AM)GSUNCSU Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 03:07 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Sure glad we didn't have to play that juggernaut this season.

C'mon man, sometimes it would be best if you'd filter a little of what comes from your key board. They are in pretty bad shape physically and in a tough stretch with some pretty good defensive fronts. And maybe coaching continuity or the lack thereof is an issue that may be manifesting itself in experienced depth (less reps, losing a little on the recruiting trail during the turmoil of the change, etc.) TX ST is a good football team, Appy is hitting a stride that we know that they have. Tough loss, TX ST once again a good game plan and execution.

And karma is a btch

(11-21-2014 10:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 02:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  what happens to a college football team when they go through 5 coaching changes in a 5 year span, and then lose 19 players from their original 2 deep to season ending injuries... Just watch Arkansas State play for a few minutes

I feel bad for our Seniors. You just cant overcome all of this combined.

I can't imagine any college football program has been faced with this circumstance, ever.

Actually, it's pretty amazing that they had such a great run considering. It had to hit a stumbling point in success and recruting with all of of the turnover eventually. And add in the fact that the current coach is by far the weakest of the group, probably didn't help.

That guy didn't have a great reputation when he was the OC at UL either.

Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

I don't think he has reputation issues here, he has issues that we've seen out of every rookie coach we've ever had. I don't think he coached a poor game last night, no in game decisions seemed off...its just the team is still frantically trying to cover for all of our exposed weaknesses, and its not working.

I meant more of his reputation as a playcaller while OC at UL, it was pretty questionable and bizarre at some times.

(11-21-2014 10:33 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 02:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  what happens to a college football team when they go through 5 coaching changes in a 5 year span, and then lose 19 players from their original 2 deep to season ending injuries... Just watch Arkansas State play for a few minutes

I feel bad for our Seniors. You just cant overcome all of this combined.

I can't imagine any college football program has been faced with this circumstance, ever.

Actually, it's pretty amazing that they had such a great run considering. It had to hit a stumbling point in success and recruting with all of of the turnover eventually. And add in the fact that the current coach is by far the weakest of the group, probably didn't help.

That guy didn't have a great reputation when he was the OC at UL either.

Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

I don't think he has reputation issues here, he has issues that we've seen out of every rookie coach we've ever had. I don't think he coached a poor game last night, no in game decisions seemed off...its just the team is still frantically trying to cover for all of our exposed weaknesses, and its not working.

I meant more of his reputation as a playcaller while OC at UL, it was pretty questionable and bizarre at some times.

He has no control over play calling here. Though we've got a few fans screaming for him to have control. We still see it in our trick plays...which he does call, but he's really avoided calling them like the plague since the game at Cajun Field. Honestly, I think that's hurt more than helped. Players seemed to love our trick plays, even if they blew up in our face occasionally.

(11-21-2014 10:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:33 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 02:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  what happens to a college football team when they go through 5 coaching changes in a 5 year span, and then lose 19 players from their original 2 deep to season ending injuries... Just watch Arkansas State play for a few minutes

I feel bad for our Seniors. You just cant overcome all of this combined.

I can't imagine any college football program has been faced with this circumstance, ever.

Actually, it's pretty amazing that they had such a great run considering. It had to hit a stumbling point in success and recruting with all of of the turnover eventually. And add in the fact that the current coach is by far the weakest of the group, probably didn't help.

That guy didn't have a great reputation when he was the OC at UL either.

Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

I don't think he has reputation issues here, he has issues that we've seen out of every rookie coach we've ever had. I don't think he coached a poor game last night, no in game decisions seemed off...its just the team is still frantically trying to cover for all of our exposed weaknesses, and its not working.

I meant more of his reputation as a playcaller while OC at UL, it was pretty questionable and bizarre at some times.

He has no control over play calling here. Though we've got a few fans screaming for him to have control. We still see it in our trick plays...which he does call, but he's really avoided calling them like the plague since the game at Cajun Field. Honestly, I think that's hurt more than helped. Players seemed to love our trick plays, even if they blew up in our face occasionally.

He does seem to have some pretty imaginative stuff in his playbook.

I didn't realize he had backed away from playcalling. That's ashame, I think he should be more aggressive and turn Knighten loose.

I thought he was the most explosive QB I had seen visit Cajun Field this year outside of Sokol from Tech.

Anderson was fine as a playcaller and with his offense at USM and UNC. A lot has changed since he was at ULL and things have changed at ULL.

(11-21-2014 10:43 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:33 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  I can't imagine any college football program has been faced with this circumstance, ever.

Actually, it's pretty amazing that they had such a great run considering. It had to hit a stumbling point in success and recruting with all of of the turnover eventually. And add in the fact that the current coach is by far the weakest of the group, probably didn't help.

That guy didn't have a great reputation when he was the OC at UL either.

Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

I don't think he has reputation issues here, he has issues that we've seen out of every rookie coach we've ever had. I don't think he coached a poor game last night, no in game decisions seemed off...its just the team is still frantically trying to cover for all of our exposed weaknesses, and its not working.

I meant more of his reputation as a playcaller while OC at UL, it was pretty questionable and bizarre at some times.

He has no control over play calling here. Though we've got a few fans screaming for him to have control. We still see it in our trick plays...which he does call, but he's really avoided calling them like the plague since the game at Cajun Field. Honestly, I think that's hurt more than helped. Players seemed to love our trick plays, even if they blew up in our face occasionally.

He does seem to have some pretty imaginative stuff in his playbook.

I didn't realize he had backed away from playcalling. That's ashame, I think he should be more aggressive and turn Knighten loose.

I thought he was the most explosive QB I had seen visit Cajun Field this year outside of Sokol from Tech.

Knighten's passing abilities are very questionable, and from everything I see, the coaching staff is scared of giving him too much control. He's got a few throws he can make, but he loses accuracy quickly once a pass gets about 15 yards down field. I just don't feel coaches have enough confidence in him to allow him to make many of those throws...which has turned us into a rush heavy offense.

We did win the Go Daddy Bowl last year despite essentially not attempting a downfield pass for the entire game. But you cant do that forever. Eventually teams are going to stack the box and dare you to try.

Knighten's long-pass game would scare the heck out of me if I was a stAte fan. Most of last night's long passes looked like, "I'll throw it as far as I can and see who can jump the highest to catch it".

(11-21-2014 10:58 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Knighten's long-pass game would scare the heck out of me if I was a stAte fan. Most of last night's long passes looked like, "I'll throw it as far as I can and see who can jump the highest to catch it".

Pretty much.

That long touchdown pass to Mack was a wounded duck that worked only because Mack got away with pushing the TXST defender out of the play.

(11-21-2014 03:07 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Sure glad we didn't have to play that juggernaut this season.

It's fans like you that make your navy game so sweet.

And that's a shame for your normal fans.

(11-21-2014 10:51 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We did win the Go Daddy Bowl last year despite essentially not attempting a downfield pass for the entire game.

Yeah, but you were playing the MAC.

(11-21-2014 04:49 AM)The Howling Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 03:07 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Sure glad we didn't have to play that juggernaut this season.

Yeah, kick us when we're down, moron. However, stAte has been here plugging away the last few seasons, and along with ULL and a few others, has helped put the SBC on the map while everyone else ran off to "greener pastures". You wouldn't have a conference to play in if it weren't for the schools who were already here busting their chops to try to be the best G5 conference around. Shut yer yap, Johnny come lately.

+1 Nice response.