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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 12:47 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  depends. How much cheating are we OK with?

Memphis NCAA Tournament Appearances
By Decade
50's - 2
60's - 1
70's - 2
80's - 7 (5 vacated)
90's - 4
00's - 6 (1 vacated)
Pastner - 4

Most Consecutive NCAA Appearances
5: 1982-86 (all vacated)
4: 2006-09 (1 vacated)
4: Pastner

With an NCAA appearance this year, Pastner will have both records in his first 6 seasons...assuming you don't count the vacated years.

Tournament was harder to make in the 50s, 60s and 70s doe. Until 1975 you had to win the conference title. Those USC teams that went 24-4 just couldn't beat UCLA. Maryland in 1974 couldn't beat NC State. In the 50s the NIT was just as prestigious as the NCAA. Even mentioning the vacated stuff is beyond stupid. We all know there's been selective enforcement. Hell Rupps teams were throwing games, Frank McGuire was paying kids from New York to go to Tobacco Road and let's not even bring up the name Sam Gilbert.

The bottom line is this basketball program has a better history than some of you make it. If you want to make it look bad for your agenda which is love for the current coach go ahead.
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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 09:59 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 12:47 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  depends. How much cheating are we OK with?

Memphis NCAA Tournament Appearances
By Decade
50's - 2
60's - 1
70's - 2
80's - 7 (5 vacated)
90's - 4
00's - 6 (1 vacated)
Pastner - 4

Most Consecutive NCAA Appearances
5: 1982-86 (all vacated)
4: 2006-09 (1 vacated)
4: Pastner

With an NCAA appearance this year, Pastner will have both records in his first 6 seasons...assuming you don't count the vacated years.

Tournament was harder to make in the 50s, 60s and 70s doe. Until 1975 you had to win the conference title. Those USC teams that went 24-4 just couldn't beat UCLA. Maryland in 1974 couldn't beat NC State. In the 50s the NIT was just as prestigious as the NCAA. Even mentioning the vacated stuff is beyond stupid. We all know there's been selective enforcement. Hell Rupps teams were throwing games, Frank McGuire was paying kids from New York to go to Tobacco Road and let's not even bring up the name Sam Gilbert.

The bottom line is this basketball program has a better history than some of you make it. If you want to make it look bad for your agenda which is love for the current coach go ahead.

Bringing up vacated is rock bottom.

The Fab Five went to two straight title games. I know, I saw it happen.
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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 09:49 AM)Malachi Wrote:  ...
The NIT became irrelevant around 1975, so let’s use that as the starting point for comparison.
...

Really, the relevant comparison for NCAA appearances is 1985 on, since that's when the tournament went to 64 teams.
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03-hissyfit The so called bottom line is: Pastner has got to develop players i.e. make them much better than they were when they arrived. Our players seem to devolve under
CJP. I just do not understand why this happens over and over again. I believe he has great assistants and facilities. Why the deer in the headlights lack of an attack mode in
his players. There is no scared in basketball.
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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 07:54 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Why settle for a Sweet 16? That's not a championship...

why do we even need a sweet 16, he doesn't have one yet, he isn't going to get one this year either. We just need to focus on being mediocre. Mediocre is the NEW "Great". Slipping under mediocre would be the new "good". Let's do it!!! 02-13-banana
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(11-21-2014 09:00 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 07:54 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Why settle for a Sweet 16? That's not a championship...

why do we even need a sweet 16, he doesn't have one yet, he isn't going to get one this year either. We just need to focus on being mediocre. Mediocre is the NEW "Great". Slipping under mediocre would be the new "good". Let's do it!!! 02-13-banana
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(11-19-2014 05:38 PM)450bench Wrote:  Take it for what it's worth but my expectations every year are almost game by game. I want to see organization, quality plays on both sides of the ball, adjustments as each game progresses, match ups that take advantage of our advantages, match ups that thwart what the other team does well, improvements as the game goes along and I want the players to be put in the best position to win on a game by game basis. I also want to see some pissed off fire. Some toughness and an ass kicking attitude.

I don't see a lot of any of that in a CJP team. I see many things that make people say, "wtf is going on here?" Weird substitution patterns, leaving the paint open every single time down the floor all the time, face guarding defense 25'ft from the hoop, playing weird lineups, not understanding that a zone would be good for this team, not teaching players when to feed the post, not letting kids get into a rhythm before pulling them for no reason, etc. etc etc.
If we lose a game and we achieve all of the above, hey shake your head and move on because you left all options on the floor. I can live with being a 19-15 team that plays to the best of their abilities. We made the best out of what we had.

Josh, to me, is frustrating and I think he is one of the worst floor coaches that I have ever seen.

Many here remember football coach Ray Dempsey and how quirky he was. Josh is like that only much, much worse. We need a change and if it's the end of the year, fine. Let's just do it.

Comparing Josh to Rey Dempsey... with all due respect and no will intended- You go too far man.

Dempsey makes Porter look like Tom Landry.
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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 09:00 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 07:54 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Why settle for a Sweet 16? That's not a championship...

why do we even need a sweet 16, he doesn't have one yet, he isn't going to get one this year either. We just need to focus on being mediocre. Mediocre is the NEW "Great". Slipping under mediocre would be the new "good". Let's do it!!! 02-13-banana

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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 10:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 09:00 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 07:54 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Why settle for a Sweet 16? That's not a championship...

why do we even need a sweet 16, he doesn't have one yet, he isn't going to get one this year either. We just need to focus on being mediocre. Mediocre is the NEW "Great". Slipping under mediocre would be the new "good". Let's do it!!! 02-13-banana

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If we aren't capable of a Sweet 16 run every 3-4 years, then our boosters need to back the coaches salary down to about 1 to 1.5 mil max. Its pointless to pay bigtime money, if our threshold is nothing more than a Sweet 16 run per decade. We are investing far more into our basketball program now than we ever did 20 years ago, so should we not expect more from that investment? Hell, Larry made the equivalent of 290k in his last year at Memphis. We pay Josh 10x's that amount and we do it expecting him to deliver more than Larry. Josh makes more than Jim Boeheim, Roy Williams

What I'd like to know is what does Josh need in order to win that Memphis fans and boosters are not providing for him? I can understand Andy Kennedy griping or Rick Ray at MS State. Those guys play in oversized tuna cans. Josh, on the other hand, has state of the art everything.

Need a charter? no problem.
Need a new practice facility? You got it.
Salary... what's it going to take? 2.65 mil per year? You got it. Win in the Dance and it will increase with incentives, too.
How about a city stockpiled with talent? Got you covered there too, just add a few from your sources and talent should not be a problem.
Do you need a passionate fan base? We'll give you 16-17k per night and the front page of the sports section every day. Win some meaningful games and both will increase.
Assistants? Go get whoever you need. We'll pay them.

So again, what does the guy need?
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(11-21-2014 10:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If we aren't capable of a Sweet 16 run every 3-4 years, then our boosters need to back the coaches salary down to about 1 to 1.5 mil max. Its pointless to pay bigtime money, if our threshold is nothing more than a Sweet 16 run per decade. We are investing far more into our basketball program now than we ever did 20 years ago, so should we not expect more from that investment? Hell, Larry made the equivalent of 290k in his last year at Memphis. We pay Josh 10x's that amount and we do it expecting him to deliver more than Larry. Josh makes more than Jim Boeheim, Roy Williams

What I'd like to know is what does Josh need in order to win that Memphis fans and boosters are not providing for him? I can understand Andy Kennedy griping or Rick Ray at MS State. Those guys play in oversized tuna cans. Josh, on the other hand, has state of the art everything.

Need a charter? no problem.
Need a new practice facility? You got it.
Salary... what's it going to take? 2.65 mil per year? You got it. Win in the Dance and it will increase with incentives, too.
How about a city stockpiled with talent? Got you covered there too, just add a few from your sources and talent should not be a problem.
Do you need a passionate fan base? We'll give you 16-17k per night and the front page of the sports section every day. Win some meaningful games and both will increase.
Assistants? Go get whoever you need. We'll pay them.

So again, what does the guy need?

I love it! 04-bow Here is a guy who gets it.
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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
(11-21-2014 11:01 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 10:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If we aren't capable of a Sweet 16 run every 3-4 years, then our boosters need to back the coaches salary down to about 1 to 1.5 mil max. Its pointless to pay bigtime money, if our threshold is nothing more than a Sweet 16 run per decade. We are investing far more into our basketball program now than we ever did 20 years ago, so should we not expect more from that investment? Hell, Larry made the equivalent of 290k in his last year at Memphis. We pay Josh 10x's that amount and we do it expecting him to deliver more than Larry. Josh makes more than Jim Boeheim, Roy Williams

What I'd like to know is what does Josh need in order to win that Memphis fans and boosters are not providing for him? I can understand Andy Kennedy griping or Rick Ray at MS State. Those guys play in oversized tuna cans. Josh, on the other hand, has state of the art everything.

Need a charter? no problem.
Need a new practice facility? You got it.
Salary... what's it going to take? 2.65 mil per year? You got it. Win in the Dance and it will increase with incentives, too.
How about a city stockpiled with talent? Got you covered there too, just add a few from your sources and talent should not be a problem.
Do you need a passionate fan base? We'll give you 16-17k per night and the front page of the sports section every day. Win some meaningful games and both will increase.
Assistants? Go get whoever you need. We'll pay them.

So again, what does the guy need?

I love it! 04-bow Here is a guy who gets it.

Gets it/ hits it...whatever.
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RE: A Realistic Expectation for this Basketball Program Each Year?
Tourney 4 out of 5. (NIT other year, Memphis really should almost never miss the postseason)
2nd weekend (S16/E8) 1 out of 5.
Third weekend (FF) once a decade?

Give or take a few years.
Still the tourney is a crap shoot (small samples size).

I am NOT disturbed we haven't made the second weekend. Not a little.
I AM concerned that we exit it has been by bad, non-competitive margins (Mich St, UVA).

Honestly, the first round loss to Zona was a better tournament trip than some years. Our guys COMPETED against the cats that year...
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