I feel TXSt pain but bowls are about money if you change it to seven before six a bowl may be forced to take someone who wont travel thus causing the bowl to lose money and possibly the bowl going away. Like I said all year my opinion if we played GS we'd beat them and be the conference champ, but we didn't handle our business that we could control thus losing to App St. So all I can say is congrats to GS they are conference champs and deserve to be because they handled their business long story short if you just beat USA we're not having thing conversation. I know its not what you want to hear but its reality. I do like TxSt you guys are a class act got to win the conference.

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 07:28 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 07:00 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  This is very likely to be an issue next season and in future seasons for SBC schools. Our standard for qualifying for a bowl shouldn't be higher because we have no bowl history and we are located too far west. The excuses that we didn't have enough fans at a particular game or that an 18 point win over ASU didn't mean as much as a win over Utah State are ridiculous.

This is going to be an issue next year, the year after, and the year after, but we have the exact same standard in regards to qualifying for a bowl as everyone else.

I think what people are missing here is that bowls choose who they want.

The problem isn't that bowls get to choose who they want, it's that there aren't enough bowls for bowl eligible teams. And really, that's not even the problem. The problem is that people somehow believe that when you become eligible, you HAVE to go to a bowl.

I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

I understand your point but a 6-6 team may bring more fans to a local or regional bowl than say a 9-3 team from have way across the country especially when you are talking bowls that we are tied into. Heck our conference are the only ones wanting to see those bowls anyway.

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

I actually took the time to read through this entire thread. Ive come to this conclusion:
If it is all just a business, why do they even put a limit on amount of games to win? I believe if it was up to the P5's they would just have all P5's go to a bowl game since those would bring in the largest ratings and crowds. Then the trickle down effect is all the G5's would now be known as FBS-Division 2. Which would then in turn lead to crappy tv deals and its ESPN3 for everyone.
I understand the argument for recruiting in Texas. But wevdont just compete with other schools when recruiting Texas. We compete with every P5 school out there for recruit. It's sad that I find it rewarding when we actually sign a 3-star recruit when most of the big schools probably "taking a gamble" on the kid. Would it be rewarding to tell the recruit of our success in bowl games? Absolutely! So while we are saying we have been bowl eligible the past 2 years, we have nothing to tell them about the game as we weren't invited. I fear this could become a trend. However, the biggest thing we are gonna miss are the 15 practices. It doesnt matter if we win or lose the bowl game. The big thing is you are practicing for another month (another spring ball) to prepare for next season.
Every most every team has been bowl eligible has been left out for the arguments I'm getting. The problem is that we have come to accept that. Next year we will have four bowls to qualify for. Also, next year we will have three extra teams that can be bowl eligible. It doesn't get any better. Why does being 8-4 or 9-3 have to be the norm for the Sunbelt to make a bowl but all other conferences, 6-6 is just fine?.
Attendance is an issue. I find it kind of sad that we are happy with Thursday night or Tuesday night games. Ya the game is on ESPN. But really, football is almost being forces on the general public every day of the week. NFL has Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. College is Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. High school is Thursday and Friday. I work with high football teams and frankly it was hard to keep my attention on those games when Texas State was playing. As much as I wanted to watch and cheer, I needed a break from football. Its like pizza. Its good and its enjoyable, but when it is forced on you for every meal, eventually you just want a bowl or cereal or a sandwich instead. Even those games when it was the only game on tv had crappy ratings. On Tuesday and Thursday games, it is hard for the alumni to make the trip, esp. for an 8:30 game at night. I live in Ft Worth so any week night game is out of the question for me to make the trip. I have friends that live in Austin who had to cancel their season tickets because half the home games were on week nights when they couldnt attend. We want to be there, but give us an opportunity to be there.
Lastly, we call this the funbelt. What's fun about it? Is it fun knowing that if you are in the running for an atlarge bid you are more than likely sitting at home? Is it fun knowing that CUSA probably has double the numbers of teams bowling than the Sunbelt does? It is fun knowing that other than ULL and ULM there are no true rivalries or that youve lost half your teams to other conferences and are pretty much the FCS transfer conference. And the way I see things, we will probably lose another member this offseason, and any school that gets that offer will take it because as much as we want to pump ourselves up and say we are better than other conferences, we arent. Thats why any team selected cant wait to leave, or why we have to play on week nights, or we dont get selected for bowl games except for the ones we have tie-ins to (in which having a 10 am kickoff is pretty pathetic cause most people wont even be awake when the game starts). We let the NCAA/ESPN/everyone else walk all over us, and we let them. We can complain, yell its not fair til we are blue in the face, and in the end it wont matter. Its hard to get a change when the only ones listening are the ones that are yelling. I fear this is a constant stalemate this conference is stuck in. If you are one of the lucky ones selected to get out, congratulations. If not, adopt the motto "Wait til next year" cause that is what every football season will end up being.
If you agree with this, you agree with it. If you don't, I really don't care. This is just me venting, but trying to be constructive in the same sense.

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

No you wouldn't... Any bowl is better than no bowl.

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

I feel the same way about stAte.

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

Might want to check your pants, I smell something burning

(12-07-2014 02:26 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

No you wouldn't... Any bowl is better than no bowl.

Actually, I would! I would no more want GS in a bowl game with a 6-6 record than to sit out with a 9-3 record.

(12-07-2014 03:33 PM)EvilGaryKubiak Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

Might want to check your pants, I smell something burning

Well, my pants have caught on fire before but not this time. That is truly how I feel.

(12-07-2014 03:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

I feel the same way about stAte.

Unless GS played and lost to four top 10 teams and lost to the top two teams in the SunBelt, I would feel that GS had a mediocre season with six losses and was not deserving of a slot.

(12-08-2014 09:31 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 03:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

I feel the same way about stAte.

Unless GS played and lost to four top 10 teams and lost to the top two teams in the SunBelt, I would feel that GS had a mediocre season with six losses and was not deserving of a slot.

Yeah, it better be some hellaciously amazing 6 wins for me to be in favor of 6-6 bowling.

(12-08-2014 09:31 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 03:09 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 09:02 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  I've listened to this debate for a while. I understand the angst that TXST is feeling right now but I have a different take on all of this. Why is there bowls for 6-6 teams anyway? Good God, talk about celebrating mediocrity! I think the NCAA standard should be more like a minimum of seven wins (one being FCS if you want to risk losing to a seven win-no FCS candidate). Who, outside the 6-6 school, wants to watch that game? In my opinion, the bar is set way too low.

That's a different argument, and one that you will most likely change your tune when your team is 6-6, and sitting on the outside looking in.

I agree, there are too many bowls. But that's not going to change. There will be more bowl games next year.

Trust me, Rev, if GS went 6-6, I'd be embarrassed if they accepted a bowl bid.

I feel the same way about stAte.

Unless GS played and lost to four top 10 teams and lost to the top two teams in the SunBelt, I would feel that GS had a mediocre season with six losses and was not deserving of a slot.

That's how the Bobcat Nation felt last year. We didn't do enough and so when we hit the manic number 7 you can imagine the feelings.

I've always looked at it this way from the G5 perspective: 7 wins and you are in a bow 9 times out of 10. 6 wins and you miss a bowl 9 times out of 10.

Congratulations Texas State, you are the 10 percent.

(12-08-2014 10:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I've always looked at it this way from the G5 perspective: 7 wins and you are in a bow 9 times out of 10. 6 wins and you miss a bowl 9 times out of 10.

Congratulations Texas State, you are the 10 percent.

So I guess in your scenario USA is also the 10 percent...

(12-08-2014 11:18 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I've always looked at it this way from the G5 perspective: 7 wins and you are in a bow 9 times out of 10. 6 wins and you miss a bowl 9 times out of 10.

Congratulations Texas State, you are the 10 percent.

So I guess in your scenario USA is also the 10 percent...

Pretty much.

A Rare situation primarily formed because we have a brand new bowl game that wanted to attract as many locals as it could to establish itself.

(12-08-2014 10:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I've always looked at it this way from the G5 perspective: 7 wins and you are in a bow 9 times out of 10. 6 wins and you miss a bowl 9 times out of 10.

Congratulations Texas State, you are the 10 percent.

Well... We always said we were special....

(12-02-2014 09:34 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 09:31 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Man, if we only had someone that represented the conference who could work on things like this. We should really consider getting someone... Like a consultant or something.... Somebody that's paid by the conference.

Like maybe a COMMISSIONER?

Check the nearest golf course