(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:38 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 10:19 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I'll throw in my two cents for you.

As a Southern Miss fan, I've seen us have many great members leave and us be left behind constantly. It can be frustrating. If anything was learned during this last round of expansion, it's that it doesn't matter if you get a big city always, if people don't care to watch the schools, your television contract won't just magically grow.

I think we'd look more toward a quality program than a big city program for the sake of a big city.


USA may fit the profile, but USM would be livid if they were allowed to join. They would fight it tooth and nail. We've seen too many startups pass us up and we don't want any more competition in our own backyard. We aren't going to allow this to happen. Some will say that we don't have the votes to stop it, but I really think you underestimate how many schools would side with us. A lot of schools owe their being in the conference to us and really don't want to be on our bad side. I don't say that acting like we have major political clout and can kick them or anything. But just like...we respect each other enough that you don't wanna give the other the finger. Schools from CUSA 2.0 that are left and additions like La Tech and MTSU would support USM.


I think the choice for USM would be ULL. Most fans were mad they didn't get an invite last time. And while I'm sure La Tech fans wouldn't be the happiest, I don't think they'd be directly opposed to the addition. They aren't Monroe, they bring a good overall program, and good food/location/fanbase.


Just my opinion.

I thought ULL was holding out for the Big 12?

ULL would be blocked by Latech. I personally would love another drivable game every year and have a little respect for ULL but I am the exception not the rule.

I think ULL will be stuck in the SBC until conferences remember that sports are about enjoyment more than money. Yea, I know that will never happen. I would love for the G5 to setup regional conferences to lower costs for the schools and fans. I would much rather play ULL than ODU or any east coast school. Tech had the same problem in the wac.

Hope to see the Cajuns in Ruston next year. I bet the attendance is 27k to sold out. I think we should play every year and the losers athletic website should have to be the winners colors for the week after. ULL and Tech could be an epic rivalry even if we are in different conferences

If UAB is gone. Louisiana gets the call regardless of what La Tech says.

How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

If UAB is out it would take 9 affirmative to add a team and 3 negative to reject a team.

If I were in the Cajuns shoes, I'd be less worried about La.Tech (local politics can do fun things), and more worried about Rice. Do the Owls want to add a large state school three hours away that is going to recruit the area more aggressively when they are in a league with a Houston presence.

(11-14-2014 04:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:48 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:25 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  If UAB ends up dropping football, that would bring C-USA to 13 members and the Sun Belt at 11...

One of three things could happen;
1.C-USA takes one form the Sun Belt
2.A C-USA team joins the Sun Belt. (hmmm, that would be a fun discussion..)
3.Both leagues could merge and we would end up with a 24 team league, you could have 4 six team divisions.. (now that would make since, but would never happen..)

Fun discussion topics...

You're right, one of those three things could happen.

What would really make sense is for both conferences to separate into more regional conferences:

CUSA - more eastern based

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU,MT, FIU, FAU, GA Southern, GA State, App State, Troy, USA

Sun Belt - more western based (change name to SWC)

UTEP, NMSU, UTSA, Texas State, Rice, Louisiana, USM, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State

Middle finger conference-ULM, Idaho, UALR, UTA?

Those would go to the SWC (I would be interested to know if someone still has the rights to that name).

Love the idea, never gonna happen.

(11-14-2014 04:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:44 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  People talk a lot about one school "blocking" another from getting an invitation to join a particular conference. Do conferences even work this way? Can one school ever actually block another from being admitted into a conference? That would mean that any new addition to any conference would require a unanimous vote. That would seem to be almost impossible in most cases.

It takes more than one school to block a candidate, not positive what the actual percentage is, but you will see schools form voting blocks "we'll vote no on 'X' if you vote no on 'Y'."

Don't know for a fact that it's true, but I've heard the SEC gives veto power to all it's members within their own state.

SEC has no formal rule but by tradition no motion to add a school in an existing state will be made unless an SEC member in the state makes the motion. I've not seen the bylaws but I've been told that the ACC actually has a rule to that effect.

When Texas State and UTSA first approached the Sun Belt the members informally agreed that any motion to add one or both would have to be made by UNT.

(11-14-2014 04:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:38 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 10:19 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I'll throw in my two cents for you.

As a Southern Miss fan, I've seen us have many great members leave and us be left behind constantly. It can be frustrating. If anything was learned during this last round of expansion, it's that it doesn't matter if you get a big city always, if people don't care to watch the schools, your television contract won't just magically grow.

I think we'd look more toward a quality program than a big city program for the sake of a big city.


USA may fit the profile, but USM would be livid if they were allowed to join. They would fight it tooth and nail. We've seen too many startups pass us up and we don't want any more competition in our own backyard. We aren't going to allow this to happen. Some will say that we don't have the votes to stop it, but I really think you underestimate how many schools would side with us. A lot of schools owe their being in the conference to us and really don't want to be on our bad side. I don't say that acting like we have major political clout and can kick them or anything. But just like...we respect each other enough that you don't wanna give the other the finger. Schools from CUSA 2.0 that are left and additions like La Tech and MTSU would support USM.


I think the choice for USM would be ULL. Most fans were mad they didn't get an invite last time. And while I'm sure La Tech fans wouldn't be the happiest, I don't think they'd be directly opposed to the addition. They aren't Monroe, they bring a good overall program, and good food/location/fanbase.


Just my opinion.

I thought ULL was holding out for the Big 12?

ULL would be blocked by Latech. I personally would love another drivable game every year and have a little respect for ULL but I am the exception not the rule.

I think ULL will be stuck in the SBC until conferences remember that sports are about enjoyment more than money. Yea, I know that will never happen. I would love for the G5 to setup regional conferences to lower costs for the schools and fans. I would much rather play ULL than ODU or any east coast school. Tech had the same problem in the wac.

Hope to see the Cajuns in Ruston next year. I bet the attendance is 27k to sold out. I think we should play every year and the losers athletic website should have to be the winners colors for the week after. ULL and Tech could be an epic rivalry even if we are in different conferences

If UAB is gone. Louisiana gets the call regardless of what La Tech says.

How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

Do you just not believe me when I tell you that MT/WKU will block you? This is at least the third time I've told you.

I don't know about WKU but MTSU and UNT won't vote for Georgia State unless the leadership has had a change of heart.

(11-14-2014 04:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:38 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 10:19 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I'll throw in my two cents for you.

As a Southern Miss fan, I've seen us have many great members leave and us be left behind constantly. It can be frustrating. If anything was learned during this last round of expansion, it's that it doesn't matter if you get a big city always, if people don't care to watch the schools, your television contract won't just magically grow.

I think we'd look more toward a quality program than a big city program for the sake of a big city.


USA may fit the profile, but USM would be livid if they were allowed to join. They would fight it tooth and nail. We've seen too many startups pass us up and we don't want any more competition in our own backyard. We aren't going to allow this to happen. Some will say that we don't have the votes to stop it, but I really think you underestimate how many schools would side with us. A lot of schools owe their being in the conference to us and really don't want to be on our bad side. I don't say that acting like we have major political clout and can kick them or anything. But just like...we respect each other enough that you don't wanna give the other the finger. Schools from CUSA 2.0 that are left and additions like La Tech and MTSU would support USM.


I think the choice for USM would be ULL. Most fans were mad they didn't get an invite last time. And while I'm sure La Tech fans wouldn't be the happiest, I don't think they'd be directly opposed to the addition. They aren't Monroe, they bring a good overall program, and good food/location/fanbase.


Just my opinion.

I thought ULL was holding out for the Big 12?

ULL would be blocked by Latech. I personally would love another drivable game every year and have a little respect for ULL but I am the exception not the rule.

I think ULL will be stuck in the SBC until conferences remember that sports are about enjoyment more than money. Yea, I know that will never happen. I would love for the G5 to setup regional conferences to lower costs for the schools and fans. I would much rather play ULL than ODU or any east coast school. Tech had the same problem in the wac.

Hope to see the Cajuns in Ruston next year. I bet the attendance is 27k to sold out. I think we should play every year and the losers athletic website should have to be the winners colors for the week after. ULL and Tech could be an epic rivalry even if we are in different conferences

If UAB is gone. Louisiana gets the call regardless of what La Tech says.

How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

If UAB is out it would take 9 affirmative to add a team and 3 negative to reject a team.

If I were in the Cajuns shoes, I'd be less worried about La.Tech (local politics can do fun things), and more worried about Rice. Do the Owls want to add a large state school three hours away that is going to recruit the area more aggressively when they are in a league with a Houston presence.

So I could see USM,La Tech and Rice blocking USA and ULL because they don't want more competition in their back yard. That is why Ga State initially voted against us.

The compromises that don't "offend" anyone are Ark St, GS, GaSt, JMU.

(11-14-2014 04:53 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:38 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  I thought ULL was holding out for the Big 12?

ULL would be blocked by Latech. I personally would love another drivable game every year and have a little respect for ULL but I am the exception not the rule.

I think ULL will be stuck in the SBC until conferences remember that sports are about enjoyment more than money. Yea, I know that will never happen. I would love for the G5 to setup regional conferences to lower costs for the schools and fans. I would much rather play ULL than ODU or any east coast school. Tech had the same problem in the wac.

Hope to see the Cajuns in Ruston next year. I bet the attendance is 27k to sold out. I think we should play every year and the losers athletic website should have to be the winners colors for the week after. ULL and Tech could be an epic rivalry even if we are in different conferences

If UAB is gone. Louisiana gets the call regardless of what La Tech says.

How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

Do you just not believe me when I tell you that MT/WKU will block you? This is at least the third time I've told you.

You've been wrong so many times on so many things, why would I think you are right this time? You may have an axe to grind with GS, but I doubt MTSU or WKU have one.

How many votes does it take to add a member?

To be honest with you I'm not sure how many votes it takes.

I do see you've gone back to your rhetoric about how wrong I've been in the past without giving any proof so I don't know why I'm even indulging you, but let me explain to you why you're getting blocked in terms you might understand:

App and GS are pretty big rivals, right? Let's just pretend for a moment that you guys were in a premier G5 conference looking for 1 member, this conference doesn't have any members in TN or KY and no members within 250 miles in any direction of MT or WKU. Now imagine adding MT or WKU would put App and GS in opposite divisions, do you think either one of you would vote for either one of us?

APP/GS 28 meetings, separated by 335 miles

MT/WKU 63 meetings, separated by 100 miles

You wouldn't give up your rivalry and our rivalry has twice the meetings and a third of the distance.

I have no axe to grind with GS, if a hole in the east existed, GS would absolutely be on the list, but there is no way I'm giving up a game with WKU for a game with GS and the MT administration would feel the same way, if you can't follow that you're being intentionally obtuse.

(11-14-2014 05:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:38 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  I thought ULL was holding out for the Big 12?

ULL would be blocked by Latech. I personally would love another drivable game every year and have a little respect for ULL but I am the exception not the rule.

I think ULL will be stuck in the SBC until conferences remember that sports are about enjoyment more than money. Yea, I know that will never happen. I would love for the G5 to setup regional conferences to lower costs for the schools and fans. I would much rather play ULL than ODU or any east coast school. Tech had the same problem in the wac.

Hope to see the Cajuns in Ruston next year. I bet the attendance is 27k to sold out. I think we should play every year and the losers athletic website should have to be the winners colors for the week after. ULL and Tech could be an epic rivalry even if we are in different conferences

If UAB is gone. Louisiana gets the call regardless of what La Tech says.

How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

Do you just not believe me when I tell you that MT/WKU will block you? This is at least the third time I've told you.

I don't know about WKU but MTSU and UNT won't vote for Georgia State unless the leadership has had a change of heart.

MT/WKU won't vote for anyone in the east as it would send one of us to the west division.

(11-14-2014 04:59 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:48 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:25 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  If UAB ends up dropping football, that would bring C-USA to 13 members and the Sun Belt at 11...

One of three things could happen;
1.C-USA takes one form the Sun Belt
2.A C-USA team joins the Sun Belt. (hmmm, that would be a fun discussion..)
3.Both leagues could merge and we would end up with a 24 team league, you could have 4 six team divisions.. (now that would make since, but would never happen..)

Fun discussion topics...

You're right, one of those three things could happen.

What would really make sense is for both conferences to separate into more regional conferences:

CUSA - more eastern based

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, WKU,MT, FIU, FAU, GA Southern, GA State, App State, Troy, USA

Sun Belt - more western based (change name to SWC)

UTEP, NMSU, UTSA, Texas State, Rice, Louisiana, USM, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State

Middle finger conference-ULM, Idaho, UALR, UTA?

Those would go to the SWC (I would be interested to know if someone still has the rights to that name).

Love the idea, never gonna happen.

No they wouldn't. La Tech would burn their stadium to the ground before sharing a conference with ULM and the Cajuns would shed no tears for the Warhawks either.

(11-14-2014 05:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  If UAB is gone. Louisiana gets the call regardless of what La Tech says.

How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

Do you just not believe me when I tell you that MT/WKU will block you? This is at least the third time I've told you.

I don't know about WKU but MTSU and UNT won't vote for Georgia State unless the leadership has had a change of heart.

MT/WKU won't vote for anyone in the east as it would send one of us to the west division.

You need a 3rd vote to be able to block.

I wouldn't be surprised if they stay at 13 to wait and see what the Big 12 does.

Once again, many of you confuse fan sentiment for that of the respective administrations.

L aTech (for purely in state political reasons) will not block UL. They simply cant afford to lose our support an expect to get anything else they want done.

Its really that simple.

(11-14-2014 05:29 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Once again, many of you confuse fan sentiment for that of the respective administrations.

L aTech (for purely in state political reasons) will not block UL. They simply cant afford to lose our support an expect to get anything else they want done.

Its really that simple.

So they had your support when they left the Sun Belt?

(11-14-2014 05:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:29 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Once again, many of you confuse fan sentiment for that of the respective administrations.

L aTech (for purely in state political reasons) will not block UL. They simply cant afford to lose our support an expect to get anything else they want done.

Its really that simple.

So they had your support when they left the Sun Belt?

Different times. Different leadership in place then.

(11-14-2014 05:29 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Once again, many of you confuse fan sentiment for that of the respective administrations.

L aTech (for purely in state political reasons) will not block UL. They simply cant afford to lose our support an expect to get anything else they want done.

Its really that simple.

Whatever Tech does will be done by their President in the privacy of a CUSA meeting room. I can't imagine any reason LaTech would actually want to push for ULL. They might not ever even have to block ULL if everyone knows they don't really want it to come up for a vote. But maybe there is some reason in Napoleonic Code that I don't understand that would make them want another LA team in their conference. That is certainly possible.

The only Western team actually rumored last go around was....NMSU. They are almost never mentioned now...but they were then. People may be too quick to rule them out.

(11-14-2014 05:39 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:29 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Once again, many of you confuse fan sentiment for that of the respective administrations.

L aTech (for purely in state political reasons) will not block UL. They simply cant afford to lose our support an expect to get anything else they want done.

Its really that simple.

Whatever Tech does will be done by their President in the privacy of a CUSA meeting room. I can't imagine any reason LaTech would actually want to push for ULL. They might not ever even have to block ULL if everyone knows they don't really want it to come up for a vote. But maybe there is some reason in Napoleonic Code that I don't understand that would make them want another LA team in their conference. That is certainly possible.

The only Western team actually rumored last go around was....NMSU. They are almost never mentioned now...but they were then. People may be too quick to rule them out.

My guess is that UTEP absolutely positively wants nothing to do with NMSU (despite playing them home/home in basically everything). If I'm UNT or Rice, I'm not sure I care that much if UTEP is opposed because I can send my kids to Las Cruces for basketball and volleyball and UTEP on the same trip.

(11-14-2014 05:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  How many votes does it take to approve a new member? La Tech and USM could form a pact to block ULL and USA. That is one of the reasons why the GA schools may be more attractive as we are not in anyone's backyard.

Do you just not believe me when I tell you that MT/WKU will block you? This is at least the third time I've told you.

I don't know about WKU but MTSU and UNT won't vote for Georgia State unless the leadership has had a change of heart.

MT/WKU won't vote for anyone in the east as it would send one of us to the west division.

You need a 3rd vote to be able to block.

I wouldn't be surprised if they stay at 13 to wait and see what the Big 12 does.

I'm certain we would find at least a third vote, we could probably get most if not all of the west division to vote no because a vote for GS is a vote to expand the west division into Kentucky or Tennessee.

UAB's hypothetical replacement won't be joining the east. My preference is USA, but would be fine with Louisiana, I'm staunchly against NMSU and stAte and without taking divisional alignment into account I'd easily vote for GS over at least NMSU(not sure about stAte), but we have to consider divisions and as long as a vote for GS is a vote to split MT/WKU, you've got no shot.

(11-14-2014 05:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 04:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Do you just not believe me when I tell you that MT/WKU will block you? This is at least the third time I've told you.

I don't know about WKU but MTSU and UNT won't vote for Georgia State unless the leadership has had a change of heart.

MT/WKU won't vote for anyone in the east as it would send one of us to the west division.

You need a 3rd vote to be able to block.

I wouldn't be surprised if they stay at 13 to wait and see what the Big 12 does.

I'm certain we would find at least a third vote, we could probably get most if not all of the west division to vote no because a vote for GS is a vote to expand the west division into Kentucky or Tennessee.

UAB's hypothetical replacement won't be joining the east. My preference is USA, but would be fine with Louisiana, I'm staunchly against NMSU and stAte and without taking divisional alignment into account I'd easily vote for GS over at least NMSU(not sure about stAte), but we have to consider divisions and as long as a vote for GS is a vote to split MT/WKU, you've got no shot.

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(11-14-2014 05:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't know about WKU but MTSU and UNT won't vote for Georgia State unless the leadership has had a change of heart.

MT/WKU won't vote for anyone in the east as it would send one of us to the west division.

You need a 3rd vote to be able to block.

I wouldn't be surprised if they stay at 13 to wait and see what the Big 12 does.

I'm certain we would find at least a third vote, we could probably get most if not all of the west division to vote no because a vote for GS is a vote to expand the west division into Kentucky or Tennessee.

UAB's hypothetical replacement won't be joining the east. My preference is USA, but would be fine with Louisiana, I'm staunchly against NMSU and stAte and without taking divisional alignment into account I'd easily vote for GS over at least NMSU(not sure about stAte), but we have to consider divisions and as long as a vote for GS is a vote to split MT/WKU, you've got no shot.

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Not a fan of Jonesboro and you don't bring enough to the table outside of football. Get it together in MBB and maybe the conversation changes.

(11-14-2014 05:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Not a fan of Jonesboro and you don't bring enough to the table outside of football. Get it together in MBB and maybe the conversation changes.

Rugby is the fastest growing sport. 60,000 attended a game the other day at Soldier Field. New sport in the Olympics. We're ready to bring National Championships in that.

Oh...you said basketball. Never mind. Sorry. Carry on.

(11-14-2014 06:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Not a fan of Jonesboro and you don't bring enough to the table outside of football. Get it together in MBB and maybe the conversation changes.

Rugby is the fastest growing sport. 60,000 attended a game the other day at Soldier Field. New sport in the Olympics. We're ready to bring National Championships in that.

Oh...you said basketball. Never mind. Sorry. Carry on.

Arkansas State and Life College to CUSA?

(11-14-2014 06:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 05:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Not a fan of Jonesboro and you don't bring enough to the table outside of football. Get it together in MBB and maybe the conversation changes.

Rugby is the fastest growing sport. 60,000 attended a game the other day at Soldier Field. New sport in the Olympics. We're ready to bring National Championships in that.

Oh...you said basketball. Never mind. Sorry. Carry on.