(11-11-2014 02:50 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  .... I bet the Ohio States and Oklahoma's of the world would struggle mightily in the American.

I doubt that, but as I recall, ECU beat Virginia Tech a week after the Hokies beat Ohio State. I think the AAC is a better conference than generally thought and will get better.

(11-11-2014 03:25 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 02:50 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  .... I bet the Ohio States and Oklahoma's of the world would struggle mightily in the American.

I doubt that, but as I recall, ECU beat Virginia Tech a week after the Hokies beat Ohio State. I think the AAC is a better conference than generally thought and will get better.

GA, I thought about you yesterday. I was driving and made the mistake of listening to the Rainman. He was saying it would be silly for us to go to the Big XII and get pummeled every week and that we should stay in the AAC and make the most of it.

Remember when you used to say the silly thing about the Big East and C-USA?

(11-11-2014 09:37 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 07:36 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Yes...conference needs to seek a stronger bowl tie in for the champion...especially with the addition of traditional Navy.

We have Miami, Birmingham, Ft.Worth, St. Pete and Annapolis...none of them higher tier bowls. Pushing for a stronger tie in, like the Liberty Bowl or the like should be a priority.

Aresco worked on bowl tie-ins almost non-stop for months. We got what we got, the best bowls outside the P5, by far, but all minor bowls. Nothing is going to change from this year to next. All the bowl contracts are for 6 years.

And the LB is not taking the AAC, as long as it has tie-ins with the SEC and B12. However, there is a possibility we could get in as a backup, if things fell just right.

Yeah, the bowl tie-ins, especially the lack of anything approaching respectable for the American champion is a real shame.

I don't think there's much to be done about it.

If The American and the MWC conference would forgo individual conf. championship games and agree to have their champions play each other instead MAYBE the winner of that game could garner an auto-invite to a really good bowl?

I think that's a bad idea. It just separates us more from the P5. And a loss by the better team could knock them out of the access bowl slot.

The best G5 champ already gets the best bowl slot available, outside the CFP.

(11-11-2014 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:37 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 07:36 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Yes...conference needs to seek a stronger bowl tie in for the champion...especially with the addition of traditional Navy.

We have Miami, Birmingham, Ft.Worth, St. Pete and Annapolis...none of them higher tier bowls. Pushing for a stronger tie in, like the Liberty Bowl or the like should be a priority.

Aresco worked on bowl tie-ins almost non-stop for months. We got what we got, the best bowls outside the P5, by far, but all minor bowls. Nothing is going to change from this year to next. All the bowl contracts are for 6 years.

And the LB is not taking the AAC, as long as it has tie-ins with the SEC and B12. However, there is a possibility we could get in as a backup, if things fell just right.

Yeah, the bowl tie-ins, especially the lack of anything approaching respectable for the American champion is a real shame.

I don't think there's much to be done about it.

If The American and the MWC conference would forgo individual conf. championship games and agree to have their champions play each other instead MAYBE the winner of that game could garner an auto-invite to a really good bowl?

I think that's a bad idea. It just separates us more from the P5. And a loss by the better team could knock them out of the access bowl slot.

The best G5 champ already gets the best bowl slot available, outside the CFP.

I was thinking the winner of that game would have a leg up on the G5 slot....which, unfortunately it looks like we aren't getting this year.

If the winner did NOT get the G5 spot then I still think it could have a pretty good backup slot. The loser is probably no worse off than it was prior to the game UNLESS, as you said, the higher ranked team lost. In the AAC / MWC's position I figure the risk / reward might be worth taking the chance

(11-10-2014 11:21 AM)MetalTiger Wrote:  Personally hoping for Birmingham, since I've got vacation that week and it's not a bad drive....any SEC team would be good, but UT would be sweet

I'm hoping it's Birmingham, because it's the only option I can be at...and I already reserved a suite at a hotel, just in case.

I guess we should just be thankful for the cookie they are giving us

(11-11-2014 04:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 03:25 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 02:50 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  .... I bet the Ohio States and Oklahoma's of the world would struggle mightily in the American.

I doubt that, but as I recall, ECU beat Virginia Tech a week after the Hokies beat Ohio State. I think the AAC is a better conference than generally thought and will get better.

GA, I thought about you yesterday. I was driving and made the mistake of listening to the Rainman. He was saying it would be silly for us to go to the Big XII and get pummeled every week and that we should stay in the AAC and make the most of it.

Remember when you used to say the silly thing about the Big East and C-USA?

When TCU first jumped to the Big XII, they got pummeled every week...it's worked out alright for them since.

...I know, we have a ways to go before we're TCU...

(11-11-2014 04:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 03:25 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 02:50 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  .... I bet the Ohio States and Oklahoma's of the world would struggle mightily in the American.

I doubt that, but as I recall, ECU beat Virginia Tech a week after the Hokies beat Ohio State. I think the AAC is a better conference than generally thought and will get better.

GA, I thought about you yesterday. I was driving and made the mistake of listening to the Rainman. He was saying it would be silly for us to go to the Big XII and get pummeled every week and that we should stay in the AAC and make the most of it.

Remember when you used to say the silly thing about the Big East and C-USA?

Are you that drunk dude Dwight that always calls in?

(11-11-2014 05:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I guess we should just be thankful for the cookie they are giving us

Except, we aren't getting a bite this year.

As far as the P5 is concerned the G5 is one big mob of howling peasants.

(11-11-2014 04:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:37 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 07:36 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Yes...conference needs to seek a stronger bowl tie in for the champion...especially with the addition of traditional Navy.

We have Miami, Birmingham, Ft.Worth, St. Pete and Annapolis...none of them higher tier bowls. Pushing for a stronger tie in, like the Liberty Bowl or the like should be a priority.

Aresco worked on bowl tie-ins almost non-stop for months. We got what we got, the best bowls outside the P5, by far, but all minor bowls. Nothing is going to change from this year to next. All the bowl contracts are for 6 years.

And the LB is not taking the AAC, as long as it has tie-ins with the SEC and B12. However, there is a possibility we could get in as a backup, if things fell just right.

Yeah, the bowl tie-ins, especially the lack of anything approaching respectable for the American champion is a real shame.

I don't think there's much to be done about it.

If The American and the MWC conference would forgo individual conf. championship games and agree to have their champions play each other instead MAYBE the winner of that game could garner an auto-invite to a really good bowl?

I think that's a bad idea. It just separates us more from the P5. And a loss by the better team could knock them out of the access bowl slot.

The best G5 champ already gets the best bowl slot available, outside the CFP.

I was thinking the winner of that game would have a leg up on the G5 slot....which, unfortunately it looks like we aren't getting this year.

If the winner did NOT get the G5 spot then I still think it could have a pretty good backup slot. The loser is probably no worse off than it was prior to the game UNLESS, as you said, the higher ranked team lost. In the AAC / MWC's position I figure the risk / reward might be worth taking the chance

Well, I don't agree with the logic, but beyond that, there is no way the AAC would agree to that, even if it would be allowed by the NCAA, which it won't.

(11-11-2014 06:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:37 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Aresco worked on bowl tie-ins almost non-stop for months. We got what we got, the best bowls outside the P5, by far, but all minor bowls. Nothing is going to change from this year to next. All the bowl contracts are for 6 years.

And the LB is not taking the AAC, as long as it has tie-ins with the SEC and B12. However, there is a possibility we could get in as a backup, if things fell just right.

Yeah, the bowl tie-ins, especially the lack of anything approaching respectable for the American champion is a real shame.

I don't think there's much to be done about it.

If The American and the MWC conference would forgo individual conf. championship games and agree to have their champions play each other instead MAYBE the winner of that game could garner an auto-invite to a really good bowl?

I think that's a bad idea. It just separates us more from the P5. And a loss by the better team could knock them out of the access bowl slot.

The best G5 champ already gets the best bowl slot available, outside the CFP.

I was thinking the winner of that game would have a leg up on the G5 slot....which, unfortunately it looks like we aren't getting this year.

If the winner did NOT get the G5 spot then I still think it could have a pretty good backup slot. The loser is probably no worse off than it was prior to the game UNLESS, as you said, the higher ranked team lost. In the AAC / MWC's position I figure the risk / reward might be worth taking the chance

Well, I don't agree with the logic, but beyond that, there is no way the AAC would agree to that, even if it would be allowed by the NCAA, which it won't.

How do you know? Not saying you're wrong but, how are you so sure?

(11-11-2014 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 06:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:37 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Yeah, the bowl tie-ins, especially the lack of anything approaching respectable for the American champion is a real shame.

I don't think there's much to be done about it.

If The American and the MWC conference would forgo individual conf. championship games and agree to have their champions play each other instead MAYBE the winner of that game could garner an auto-invite to a really good bowl?

I think that's a bad idea. It just separates us more from the P5. And a loss by the better team could knock them out of the access bowl slot.

The best G5 champ already gets the best bowl slot available, outside the CFP.

I was thinking the winner of that game would have a leg up on the G5 slot....which, unfortunately it looks like we aren't getting this year.

If the winner did NOT get the G5 spot then I still think it could have a pretty good backup slot. The loser is probably no worse off than it was prior to the game UNLESS, as you said, the higher ranked team lost. In the AAC / MWC's position I figure the risk / reward might be worth taking the chance

Well, I don't agree with the logic, but beyond that, there is no way the AAC would agree to that, even if it would be allowed by the NCAA, which it won't.

How do you know? Not saying you're wrong but, how are you so sure?

Because the subject of playing off with the MWC champ came up early on, and Aresco not only killed it, he set it on fire and burned it. He said we were a power conference, and did not need to play our way into a major bowl game. Or something to that effect. At the time, he was pushing for the AAC to get a contract bowl by itself.

Based on his ongoing comments, I am positive his attitude hasn't changed.

The other reason is I see no way that the NCAA would allow such a thing.

(11-11-2014 08:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 06:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think that's a bad idea. It just separates us more from the P5. And a loss by the better team could knock them out of the access bowl slot.

The best G5 champ already gets the best bowl slot available, outside the CFP.

I was thinking the winner of that game would have a leg up on the G5 slot....which, unfortunately it looks like we aren't getting this year.

If the winner did NOT get the G5 spot then I still think it could have a pretty good backup slot. The loser is probably no worse off than it was prior to the game UNLESS, as you said, the higher ranked team lost. In the AAC / MWC's position I figure the risk / reward might be worth taking the chance

Well, I don't agree with the logic, but beyond that, there is no way the AAC would agree to that, even if it would be allowed by the NCAA, which it won't.

How do you know? Not saying you're wrong but, how are you so sure?

Because the subject of playing off with the MWC champ came up early on, and Aresco not only killed it, he set it on fire and burned it. He said we were a power conference, and did not need to play our way into a major bowl game. Or something to that effect. At the time, he was pushing for the AAC to get a contract bowl by itself.

Based on his ongoing comments, I am positive his attitude hasn't changed.

The other reason is I see no way that the NCAA would allow such a thing.

Well then hopefully he will prove to be right.

(11-11-2014 10:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 08:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 08:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 06:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I was thinking the winner of that game would have a leg up on the G5 slot....which, unfortunately it looks like we aren't getting this year.

If the winner did NOT get the G5 spot then I still think it could have a pretty good backup slot. The loser is probably no worse off than it was prior to the game UNLESS, as you said, the higher ranked team lost. In the AAC / MWC's position I figure the risk / reward might be worth taking the chance

Well, I don't agree with the logic, but beyond that, there is no way the AAC would agree to that, even if it would be allowed by the NCAA, which it won't.

How do you know? Not saying you're wrong but, how are you so sure?

Because the subject of playing off with the MWC champ came up early on, and Aresco not only killed it, he set it on fire and burned it. He said we were a power conference, and did not need to play our way into a major bowl game. Or something to that effect. At the time, he was pushing for the AAC to get a contract bowl by itself.

Based on his ongoing comments, I am positive his attitude hasn't changed.

The other reason is I see no way that the NCAA would allow such a thing.

Well then hopefully he will prove to be right.

How would we ever really know?

BTW, there was a guy on the AAC forum yesterday suggesting we have a 4-way playoff among G5 champs for the access bowl spot, by foregoing the CCGs. I think your idea ia slightly less worse, but they are from the same thought process. It just has a feel that we're the minor leagues, even more than we already are.

I'd rather play our own schedule, have our own CCG, and let the selection committee decide which champ gets the access slot.

(11-10-2014 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ECU has 2 of the only 3 G5 wins over any P5 schools, I think.

Didn't the MAC win a couple against the Big10? I'm pretty sure it was more than one.

(11-10-2014 02:12 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  The AAC is a good league, not mediocre, by any stretch. I've seen Memphis in person this year, as well as Auburn and South Carolina.

We could hang with SC, if we played a good game. We don't have their talent, but we're not miles away from them, either. Hell, we hung with Ole Miss and UCLA, who are both still in the top 15. And SC hung with Auburn.

The problem with the AAC is we have a lot of good teams, but no great ones. In contrast, CUSA has one really good team, and slaw everywhere else. The MWC has two really good teams, and a couple more decent ones. ECU has 2 of the only 3 G5 wins over any P5 schools, I think.

The AAC likely isn't getting the access slot this year. I think we will always be at a disadvantage, b/c we have enough good to decent teams that we'll always have some upsets. Will be hard to ever run the table.

The question becomes do you schedule good OOC games or 4 patsies like Marshall.

The selection committee is going to answer that question for us. If Marshall is rewarded with the G5 access bowl slot then that will set the tone for OOC schedule. If not, and strength of schedule is given weight, then it will encourage tougher OOC scheduling.

Assuming Marshall does finish undefeated and doesn't get the Access Bowl slot, the undefeated season will do far, far more for their program and recruiting than having 2 "moral victory" close losses against say, WV and OH St.

(11-11-2014 11:28 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ECU has 2 of the only 3 G5 wins over any P5 schools, I think.

Didn't the MAC win a couple against the Big10? I'm pretty sure it was more than one.

I don't know. I'm only going by what someone on the AAC board posted. That's why I said, "I think." Don't care enough to look it up. Maybe they meant among the contenders for the G5 access bowl slot.

(11-11-2014 11:39 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 02:12 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 12:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  The AAC is a good league, not mediocre, by any stretch. I've seen Memphis in person this year, as well as Auburn and South Carolina.

We could hang with SC, if we played a good game. We don't have their talent, but we're not miles away from them, either. Hell, we hung with Ole Miss and UCLA, who are both still in the top 15. And SC hung with Auburn.

The problem with the AAC is we have a lot of good teams, but no great ones. In contrast, CUSA has one really good team, and slaw everywhere else. The MWC has two really good teams, and a couple more decent ones. ECU has 2 of the only 3 G5 wins over any P5 schools, I think.

The AAC likely isn't getting the access slot this year. I think we will always be at a disadvantage, b/c we have enough good to decent teams that we'll always have some upsets. Will be hard to ever run the table.

The question becomes do you schedule good OOC games or 4 patsies like Marshall.

The selection committee is going to answer that question for us. If Marshall is rewarded with the G5 access bowl slot then that will set the tone for OOC schedule. If not, and strength of schedule is given weight, then it will encourage tougher OOC scheduling.

Assuming Marshall does finish undefeated and doesn't get the Access Bowl slot, the undefeated season will do far, far more for their program and recruiting than having 2 "moral victory" close losses against say, WV and OH St.

like the 1999 undefeated Marshall team...

that Marshall team at least won at Clemson

(11-11-2014 05:24 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 04:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 03:25 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 02:50 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  .... I bet the Ohio States and Oklahoma's of the world would struggle mightily in the American.

I doubt that, but as I recall, ECU beat Virginia Tech a week after the Hokies beat Ohio State. I think the AAC is a better conference than generally thought and will get better.

GA, I thought about you yesterday. I was driving and made the mistake of listening to the Rainman. He was saying it would be silly for us to go to the Big XII and get pummeled every week and that we should stay in the AAC and make the most of it.

Remember when you used to say the silly thing about the Big East and C-USA?

Are you that drunk dude Dwight that always calls in?

I don't call into radio shows. I've got a job.