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(11-10-2014 03:09 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Good point... although 16k is nothing to be content about, even for a chilly afternoon.

Agree, but I think it is realistically attainable. I remember being at Waldo for the EMU game in 2000 the week after we lost at CMU. If I remember correctly, we only had about 13K at Waldo to watch us clinch the MAC West.

Saturday will be a good test for our fan base. Show up, Kalamazoo.
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(11-10-2014 11:40 AM)broncojohnny Wrote:  Darnell had about a 30pt. spread heading up to Mt. Pee, and we all know what happened......The beginning of the end for Darnell.

I don't think the beginning of the actual end for Darnell came until we got blown out at Ball State in the MAC opener in 2004. As bad as that year was, we weren't terrible in the non-conference games. We could've (and probably should've) won at Illinois. After that Ball State debacle, though, the rest of the season was a disaster one week after another.

I do, agree, though, that is was all downhill for Darnell after the 2000 CMU game.
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(11-10-2014 04:43 PM)The Colonel Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:40 AM)broncojohnny Wrote:  Darnell had about a 30pt. spread heading up to Mt. Pee, and we all know what happened......The beginning of the end for Darnell.

I don't think the beginning of the actual end for Darnell came until we got blown out at Ball State in the MAC opener in 2004. As bad as that year was, we weren't terrible in the non-conference games. We could've (and probably should've) won at Illinois. After that Ball State debacle, though, the rest of the season was a disaster one week after another.

I do, agree, though, that is was all downhill for Darnell after the 2000 CMU game.

Actually Darnell's departure can be traced back to Cubit taking the Rutgers job. Darnell was a defensive minded coach and tried to keep Cubits offensive schemes going. After the loss to Marshall in the 2000 MACC game, they transitioned to a new offensive scheme and started their gradual decent down the MAC west standings. Jeff Welch had his ribs broken and punctured a lung in the game against EMUgly at Rynearson Stadium. Even though Welch recovered, the Broncos never did.
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Quote:Saturday will be a good test for our fan base. Show up, Kalamazoo.

Yeah, hopefully they do. EMU may bring their 5 fans, but getting fired up about EMU I think would be dependent on the marketing in the local area & on campus. Homecoming had a great crowd. Hopefully this one nears 20k instead of 15k.

Quote:I don't think the beginning of the actual end for Darnell came until we got blown out at Ball State in the MAC opener in 2004

Well, if you're comparing 99 & 00 -- I would say it happened before that point in 2004.

2001: 5-6
PROS: Beat CMU (at home) by 3, Played reasonably competitive against UM
CONS: Suddenly under .500; Lost to VaTech by 31

2002: 4-8
PROS: Played Purdue tough till bitter end; Beat @CMU to avoid going 3-9
CONS: Even more under .500; Lost to VaTech at home by 30; Lost to Toledo at home by 21

2003: 5-7 (The Year of the MAC)
PROS: Played MSU tough losing only by 5; Beat CMU; Improved closer to .500
CONS: Still under .500; Raped by NIU by 27; by Marshall at home by 21; Crushed by Virginia by 43

2004: 1-10
PROS: None
CONS: Everything

*Stats obtained from WMU archives; makes in home/away positions
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(11-10-2014 05:10 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:Saturday will be a good test for our fan base. Show up, Kalamazoo.

Yeah, hopefully they do. EMU may bring their 5 fans, but getting fired up about EMU I think would be dependent on the marketing in the local area & on campus. Homecoming had a great crowd. Hopefully this one nears 20k instead of 15k.

Quote:I don't think the beginning of the actual end for Darnell came until we got blown out at Ball State in the MAC opener in 2004

Well, if you're comparing 99 & 00 -- I would say it happened before that point in 2004.

2001: 5-6
PROS: Beat CMU (at home) by 3, Played reasonably competitive against UM
CONS: Suddenly under .500; Lost to VaTech by 31

2002: 4-8
PROS: Played Purdue tough till bitter end; Beat @CMU to avoid going 3-9
CONS: Even more under .500; Lost to VaTech at home by 30; Lost to Toledo at home by 21

2003: 5-7 (The Year of the MAC)
PROS: Played MSU tough losing only by 5; Beat CMU; Improved closer to .500
CONS: Still under .500; Raped by NIU by 27; by Marshall at home by 21; Crushed by Virginia by 43

2004: 1-10
PROS: None
CONS: Everything

*Stats obtained from WMU archives; makes in home/away positions

Not to make excuses, but notice we seem to start good and end bad. I am so worried about next year in this respect, trying to hang with 2 national powers early can be detrimental. Even places like ND don't schedule so brutal early. Darnell and Cubit both publicly said they just played whoever the Athletic Department set in front of them, and I'm sure the current coach would say the same, but dang it, you can really get beat down trying to hang with those talent level teams physically.
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Quote:I am so worried about next year in this respect, trying to hang with 2 national powers early can be detrimental.

I'm worried about injuries. The beat down mentality of losing? Well, I guess that can have an impact -- or maybe not. I would say more to a team who expects to BE the classic top-ranked Boise State that year, yeah.

But IMO, when a team knows they're "not there yet" and are getting a taste of what it will be like in a couple years -- and to fight to give them one hell of a game -- I don't think it'll bring us down mentally.

Now, Georgia Southern -- a fellow mid-major -- losing to them COMBINED with those -- very well could.

I believe we'll be 1-3 in OOC play, and be 6-2/5-3 in conference play (depends on East sched; we have @NIU + @Toledo). But if we beat one of the better G5's, Georgia Southern on the road, then I believe we'll go 7-5 on the year -- POSSIBLY 8-4. But yes, I share your concern. If we do go 1-3 OOC to kick things off, I would hope that wouldn't have a trickle-down effect to mean the difference in a close MAC game for us.
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The point spread on the CMU game when we lost was 34. The number is burned in my brain. How a team could be favored by that many and lose........
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(11-10-2014 04:55 PM)John52168 Wrote:  Actually Darnell's departure can be traced back to Cubit taking the Rutgers job.

Probably a lot of truth to that - to be honest, I don't really remember a lot (especially from our MAC games) during that 2001-2003 period. That was definitely a stretch defined by mediocrity.
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(11-10-2014 05:10 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  2004: 1-10
PROS: None
CONS: Everything

Beating Tennessee-Martin was a pro... 03-zzz
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EMU is *OUR* National Championship Game!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../18864279/
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(11-13-2014 02:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  EMU is *OUR* National Championship Game!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../18864279/

I see The Felon is returning. Here's hoping Miami can blow his other knee out.
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(11-13-2014 03:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 02:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  EMU is *OUR* National Championship Game!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../18864279/

I see The Felon is returning. Here's hoping Miami can blow his other knee out.

I'd rather us beat those losers with him. Bring it.
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(11-13-2014 03:56 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 03:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 02:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  EMU is *OUR* National Championship Game!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../18864279/

I see The Felon is returning. Here's hoping Miami can blow his other knee out.

I'd rather us beat those losers with him. Bring it.

Let's pretend your child's team (remember, you're about to be a parent) was leading the Rocket Football league. Your team was full of kids who did well in school and played by the rules.

Their last game is against a team with one loss and is a game behind you. All indications are that you should beat them. You've seen them lose to weaker teams in your league. But on this day they have a new kid. This kid is bigger and stronger than all the other kids. He is known for cheating at school, and he was just let out of the juvenile home for stealing an old ladies purse.

Now as a parent, you'd probably think this was just horrible. But then, it's only a kid, so we tend to overlook it.

Now age the teams and that purse stealing 4th grader by 12 years and instead of 10 and 11 year olds they're 22 and 23 year olds. Is it still excusable? Are they just kids?

One is a foolish kid, and the other is a grown man who's a pig.

Neither should be on the field at that point.
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Quote:Let's pretend your child's team (remember, you're about to be a parent) was leading the Rocket Football league

What abusive parent from WMU would have the audacity to have their child lead a Rocket team? That's child abuse to be associated with the Rockets... (shudder). Next it'll be the Chippewas?? 03-wink

Quote: But on this day they have a new kid. This kid is bigger and stronger than all the other kids. He is known for cheating at school, and he was just let out of the juvenile home for stealing an old ladies purse.

Ehhh, he's a kid. He thought it was a toy... or stuffed full of unnecessary stuff it looked like the shape of a football, and it was leather... :)

Quote:Now age the teams and that purse stealing 4th grader by 12 years and instead of 10 and 11 year olds they're 22 and 23 year olds. Is it still excusable? Are they just kids?

Wait, wait. You're supposed to ask -- "Would you rather have your son play their last game WITH that kid, or without?"

Answers:
a) The victory would be the sweetest with him in, and we still beat them
b) The loss would be more devistating with him out, and we lose to them
c) The loss would be more acceptable with him in, and we lose to them
d) The victory would still be sweet with him out, and we beat them

IMO, he already got disciplined earlier in the season -- but LIGHT on the football side of it. I like light sentences and Probation for 1st time offenders. But on the football side of it, he hid it from the coaches. He should have gotten more than 2 OOC game suspension, from the looks of it. I would have made it 4-6 games (1/3 - 1/2 the season). Minimum 3 game if he did come forward and he was purely the associate and associated with bad apples along for the 'ride' (and didn't take any purse or use any credit cards).

OK, we have a light "sentence" on the field for someone on probation. Happens. But we shouldn't ask for an INJURY (just no sympathy for a non-dibilitating one).
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Moving on to the CMU game.........since the EMU game is a foregone conclusion.....The Chimp faithful are concerned that the crowd in Peeville could be below expectations do to the start of fire arm deer season. [Image: 528817_j63jau.gif]
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Quote:Moving on to the CMU game.........since the EMU game is a foregone conclusion.....The Chimp faithful are concerned that the crowd in Peeville could be below expectations do to the start of fire arm deer season.

If CMU is 100% and running on all cylinders, I will say we will lose. Hate to say it. Hope I'm wrong. I'm betting on this one for CMU. That way, if I lose -- I'd pay money for a Bronco Win. It's a win-win situation! :)
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The Chimps weakness is our strength.

Pooper can't handle the blitz. He is a fumbling bumbling QB when pressure is brought.

I'm sure Western will play man coverage, and yes, Davis could burn us, but only if Pooper gets time in the pocket. The Chimp Oline are good run blockers, not so good at pass blocking.

Defensively, their DE's can get beat to the corner by guys like Braverman and Phillips on jet sweeps. They're strong at beating tackles off the block, but don't have much giddy up. Their DBs are basically all safeties. They can hit, but they don't have good hips. Often burned by good routes that leave them turned around.

I think they'll shut Franklin down early, so like in the last few games they'll open up with the passing game off play action, and try to keep them from crowding the line.

Probably more talent on our side of the ball, and for sure more speed. But experience will surely come into play.
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(11-13-2014 04:09 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 03:56 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 03:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 02:39 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  EMU is *OUR* National Championship Game!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../18864279/

I see The Felon is returning. Here's hoping Miami can blow his other knee out.

I'd rather us beat those losers with him. Bring it.

Let's pretend your child's team (remember, you're about to be a parent) was leading the Rocket Football league. Your team was full of kids who did well in school and played by the rules.

Their last game is against a team with one loss and is a game behind you. All indications are that you should beat them. You've seen them lose to weaker teams in your league. But on this day they have a new kid. This kid is bigger and stronger than all the other kids. He is known for cheating at school, and he was just let out of the juvenile home for stealing an old ladies purse.

Now as a parent, you'd probably think this was just horrible. But then, it's only a kid, so we tend to overlook it.

Now age the teams and that purse stealing 4th grader by 12 years and instead of 10 and 11 year olds they're 22 and 23 year olds. Is it still excusable? Are they just kids?

One is a foolish kid, and the other is a grown man who's a pig.

Neither should be on the field at that point.

I agree neither should be on the field... and yes, I'd be pissed as a parent if that scenario happened.

BUT... I'd rather just beat them straight up with the felon/cheater.
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I'd prefer devine intervention intervene, give him a nagging hamstring injury, and do what his pathetic coach wouldn't do.......end his rent a player, purse snatching, college career.
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Best case scenario: Celiscar rings his bell on his first carry of the game.
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