(10-31-2014 08:03 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 07:04 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 06:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I like our new S&C coach and he appears to be a good hire.

Frank's employment was riskier because he is an innovator. It is easier to stick with conventional methods for an employer because it leads to less criticism if something goes wrong. However, without innovation significant improvement is not possible. For example, I remember when weight training was considered counter productive for basketball players. Someone took the risk to go against conventional wisdom and now what was once radical has reached canonical status.

Frank's employment was risky because he apparently didn't think it was his job to see that the kids actually worked out.

Making adult players take ownership for their own conditioning apparently is an innovative tactic. IMO, a person fully vested in their own improvement is more likely to acheive success than someone forced to perform activities. The risk is the innovative tactic may not work and thus result in less than optimal conditioning for the team as a whole.

Innovation involves risk of failure, but without innovation major improvements will not occur.

Sure, ideally everyone will do their best in whatever they do, but accountability is not a bad thing. Intrinsic and external pressures work well together

It is easier to stick to a training program when you have measurable gains...

If you see your strength go up 25% in a certain lift you feel like you are doing something...

You see your biceps and chest grow...You feel like you have done something...

(10-31-2014 01:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  It is easier to stick to a training program when you have measurable gains...

If you see your strength go up 25% in a certain lift you feel like you are doing something...

You see your biceps and chest grow...You feel like you have done something...

Kinda like why I drink beer. Measurable waist size gain.

(10-31-2014 12:03 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 06:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  ... However, without innovation significant improvement is not possible. For example, I remember when weight training was considered counter productive for basketball players. Someone took the risk to go against conventional wisdom and now what was once radical has reached canonical status.

There really isn't anything left to be "innovated" when it comes to strength and conditioning. It's been pretty much all done and methods have been perfected. They may need to be tailored to the individual but beware anyone who claims to be an "innovator". That should have been a huge red flag. There's a brilliant TED talk on athletes and training and how far we've come in the last 75 years. Should be pretty easy to find online.

It basically said that the advances we've seen over the last three quarters of a century are due mostly to advances in technology and body type. Better shoes and surfaces for runners...better healing medicine and techniques but most importantly, the athletes in each particular sport now are far more tailored to the sport. Basketball players have gotten taller, have longer wing span and larger hands. Swimmers are taller, leaner and have longer arms. It has very little to do with training and conditioning. Pretty interesting stuff.

Training methods have changed throughout the years (eg, no weight training for basketball players was the norm and red meat was standard fare) and my guess is someone will strive for marked improvements through innovation (a new idea or method that works better than the current method).

(10-31-2014 11:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Akujobi has a great personality and the players seem to genuinely like him. I would have to think that the most important skill a S&C coach can have, is to get the players to follow the program...regardless of the methods.

The players like Akujobi. Granted, some of the players liked Frank too (one was pretty upset that he left) ...but I do think Akujobi being around the team and putting emphasis on lifting will yield positive results.

(10-31-2014 01:26 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 11:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Akujobi has a great personality and the players seem to genuinely like him. I would have to think that the most important skill a S&C coach can have, is to get the players to follow the program...regardless of the methods.

The players like Akujobi. Granted, some of the players liked Frank too (one was pretty upset that he left) ...but I do think Akujobi being around the team and putting emphasis on lifting will yield positive results.

It's a shame this had to be learned.

There's no price that can be put for "buy in". I've read where when Frank's plug was pulled, or he pulled the plug, there were only 3 players following his chameleon approach. Akujobi sounds like he has both feet on the ground, and has a good rep. Let's hope we see tough this year, not just read about it.

(10-31-2014 01:29 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 01:26 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 11:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Akujobi has a great personality and the players seem to genuinely like him. I would have to think that the most important skill a S&C coach can have, is to get the players to follow the program...regardless of the methods.

The players like Akujobi. Granted, some of the players liked Frank too (one was pretty upset that he left) ...but I do think Akujobi being around the team and putting emphasis on lifting will yield positive results.

It's a shame this had to be learned.

Agreed. I always thought it was a bad idea, but was willing to give CJP and FM the benefit of the doubt.

I guess the article was so popular that Jason added some more including thoughts about players past nutuition and eating habits.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...st-akujobi

(10-31-2014 03:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I guess the article was so popular that Jason added some more including thoughts about players past nutuition and eating habits.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...st-akujobi

Can you post that excerpt, being sure not to violate an AUPs of course?

(10-31-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 03:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I guess the article was so popular that Jason added some more including thoughts about players past nutuition and eating habits.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...st-akujobi

Can you post that excerpt, being sure not to violate an AUPs of course?

The stuff Saluki linked is not behind the paywall.

(10-31-2014 12:03 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 06:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  ... However, without innovation significant improvement is not possible. For example, I remember when weight training was considered counter productive for basketball players. Someone took the risk to go against conventional wisdom and now what was once radical has reached canonical status.

There really isn't anything left to be "innovated" when it comes to strength and conditioning. It's been pretty much all done and methods have been perfected. They may need to be tailored to the individual but beware anyone who claims to be an "innovator". That should have been a huge red flag. There's a brilliant TED talk on athletes and training and how far we've come in the last 75 years. Should be pretty easy to find online.

It basically said that the advances we've seen over the last three quarters of a century are due mostly to advances in technology and body type. Better shoes and surfaces for runners...better healing medicine and techniques but most importantly, the athletes in each particular sport now are far more tailored to the sport. Basketball players have gotten taller, have longer wing span and larger hands. Swimmers are taller, leaner and have longer arms. It has very little to do with training and conditioning. Pretty interesting stuff.

I watched this a couple of months ago and it is very interesting video. I would also recommend fans of athletics to take 15 or 20 minutes to find the video and watch it.

(10-31-2014 06:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 05:48 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Well, last year's team did get stomped at times, especially in some of the bigger games. I'm not sure whether it was because we were physically not strong enough, or mentally not strong enough. Anyway, let's evaluate this new approach as the season progresses. It can't hurt.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

I don't think it was a particular weakness due to training last year. We had a small backcourt. Geron was a pretty strong guy though. Chris and JJ were not physical players by nature. Geron and Dixon were.

Austin was pushed around a bit but that's not uncommon for a freshman forward. We'll have to wait and see if he's put in the time and gotten stronger this year. Ditto for King. Shaq is a pretty strong guy down there.

We've got a nice collection of older guys coming in this year too who should add some bulk and strength at a few different positions, so I suspect we will already be a more physical team this year.

I'm glad we are going to focus more on it in the future though. I'm a big believer in weight training. Particularly so on intense weight training in the off season.

Lack of weight lifting has been a very obvious issue in the post especially. Shaq, Austin, etc. lack the necessary lower body strength to consistently pin their players under the goal offensively, and lack the lower body strength to stop offensive players from pinning or backing them under the goal.

Our teams have been physically outmatched against almost every top level opponent we have played against. While I have no problem with some "outside the box" training methods, they should be used in conjuncture with traditional weight lifting.

(10-31-2014 03:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I guess the article was so popular that Jason added some more including thoughts about players past nutuition and eating habits.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...st-akujobi

Good read

(10-31-2014 03:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I guess the article was so popular that Jason added some more including thoughts about players past nutuition and eating habits.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...st-akujobi

Well, if anybody was wondering what the atmosphere and attitude surrounding the workout regiment were like the past couple of years, this pretty much says it all.

Quote:My job is 100 percent mental. A lot of things we talked about throughout my interview process was, ‘How can I relate to the players? Will I be able to relate to them?’ (Pastner) was big on somebody coming in and being able to hold the guys accountable. Once they saw how I conduct business and how I approach everything, they really bought into what I was selling.

This.

I tend to question the whole chemistry thing. It seems like most years, in the preseason, we hear the coaches and players saying how the chemistry is great, we all get along, we're a close knit group, we hang out together, etc etc.

Once the games start and people who thought they were going to get minutes wind up sitting, things change. It's usually some weeks or months after the season we hear about the chemistry issues and factions that had developed. It's not that they never had chemistry the year before. They had it and then they lost it.

Lets hope the guys can keep it together.