(10-28-2014 12:11 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 11:14 AM)yakko Wrote:  Best team in the state of Tennessee?

Best in Conference America too

What's the basketball team ranked? Better than 32?

#slippage?
#continuedimprovement?

(10-28-2014 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:11 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 11:14 AM)yakko Wrote:  Best team in the state of Tennessee?

Best in Conference America too

What's the basketball team ranked? Better than 32?

#slippage?
#continuedimprovement?

If we ain't I'm blaming Tarik Black !!!!

(10-28-2014 12:13 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:11 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 11:14 AM)yakko Wrote:  Best team in the state of Tennessee?

Best in Conference America too

What's the basketball team ranked? Better than 32?

#slippage?
#continuedimprovement?

If we ain't I'm blaming Tarik Black !!!!

Damien Wilson and Dom Woodson.

We've looked like a really good team for 6 games. The 7th game wasn't great, but Houston isn't a pushover.

Fuente has taken us from (by far) the worst team in college football to a team that's competing for a conference title in his third year. Few coaches could have done that. Enjoy it.

(10-28-2014 12:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:13 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:11 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 11:14 AM)yakko Wrote:  Best team in the state of Tennessee?

Best in Conference America too

What's the basketball team ranked? Better than 32?

#slippage?
#continuedimprovement?

If we ain't I'm blaming Tarik Black !!!!

Damien Wilson and Dom Woodson.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-684870.html

I was wondering about that. Thanks for digging put and sharing this info.

I think a lot of you missed reading the fine print. This is NOT a typical ranking, based on the season to date, like most regular polls and rankings.

It is a PROJECTION of how the season will END, based on performance to date, PLUS projected results of each remaining game.

We are ranked above ECU and UCF, b/c that ranking has projected both of them will lose a game, and we won't. It's also how Marshall outranks all of us, b/c they are not expected to lose a game, either.

(10-28-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a lot of you missed reading the fine print. This is NOT a typical ranking, based on the season to date, like most regular polls and rankings.

It is a PROJECTION of how the season will END, based on performance to date, PLUS projected results of each remaining game.

We are ranked above ECU and UCF, b/c that ranking has projected both of them will lose a game, and we won't. It's also how Marshall outranks all of us, b/c they are not expected to lose a game, either.

No, this is a metric to decide which teams would win on a neutral site if the games were played today. The rankings change with every game played. It has nothing to do with which teams are more deserving of being ranked high. It also has nothing to do with who will lose games, other than the "% to win out".

It's akin to Sagarin or Kenpom.

(10-28-2014 01:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a lot of you missed reading the fine print. This is NOT a typical ranking, based on the season to date, like most regular polls and rankings.

It is a PROJECTION of how the season will END, based on performance to date, PLUS projected results of each remaining game.

We are ranked above ECU and UCF, b/c that ranking has projected both of them will lose a game, and we won't. It's also how Marshall outranks all of us, b/c they are not expected to lose a game, either.

No, this is a metric to decide which teams would win on a neutral site if the games were played today. The rankings change with every game played. It has nothing to do with which teams are more deserving of being ranked high. It also has nothing to do with who will lose games, other than the "% to win out".

It's akin to Sagarin or Kenpom.

I'm a tough critic, so unlike the majority of happy clappers on this board, I don't think we are the 32nd best team in the country right now. However, I do think we are top 50. Had we beat Houston, I would have said 32 might be more realistic. Either way, it says something about Fuente that the Tigers are considered 32 by an ESPN poll (or any poll). It's a lot better than being in the bottom 10 with Larry Porter House.

Go Tigers. Let's go win eight games.

(10-28-2014 01:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a lot of you missed reading the fine print. This is NOT a typical ranking, based on the season to date, like most regular polls and rankings.

It is a PROJECTION of how the season will END, based on performance to date, PLUS projected results of each remaining game.

We are ranked above ECU and UCF, b/c that ranking has projected both of them will lose a game, and we won't. It's also how Marshall outranks all of us, b/c they are not expected to lose a game, either.

No, this is a metric to decide which teams would win on a neutral site if the games were played today. The rankings change with every game played. It has nothing to do with which teams are more deserving of being ranked high. It also has nothing to do with who will lose games, other than the "% to win out".

It's akin to Sagarin or Kenpom.

Okay, read the quote below, from ESPN's site, and explain to me where it supports your version, instead of mine. BTW, I said nothing about it being which team deserves to rank higher. I said it's a projection of how the season will play out, represented by the rankings.

ESPN Football Power Index - 2014

"The Football Power Index (FPI) is a measure of team strength that is meant to be the best predictor of a team's performance going forward for the rest of the season. FPI represents how many points above or below average a team is. Projected results are based on 10,000 simulations of the rest of the season using FPI, results to date, and the remaining schedule. Ratings and projections update daily."

It's going to say something to other schools' ad's, too. What's Fuente's contract situation?

hold on, ECU is in our conference again?

(10-28-2014 01:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 01:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a lot of you missed reading the fine print. This is NOT a typical ranking, based on the season to date, like most regular polls and rankings.

It is a PROJECTION of how the season will END, based on performance to date, PLUS projected results of each remaining game.

We are ranked above ECU and UCF, b/c that ranking has projected both of them will lose a game, and we won't. It's also how Marshall outranks all of us, b/c they are not expected to lose a game, either.

No, this is a metric to decide which teams would win on a neutral site if the games were played today. The rankings change with every game played. It has nothing to do with which teams are more deserving of being ranked high. It also has nothing to do with who will lose games, other than the "% to win out".

It's akin to Sagarin or Kenpom.

Okay, read the quote below, from ESPN's site, and explain to me where it supports your version, instead of mine. BTW, I said nothing about it being which team deserves to rank higher. I said it's a projection of how the season will play out, represented by the rankings.

ESPN Football Power Index - 2014

"The Football Power Index (FPI) is a measure of team strength that is meant to be the best predictor of a team's performance going forward for the rest of the season. FPI represents how many points above or below average a team is. Projected results are based on 10,000 simulations of the rest of the season using FPI, results to date, and the remaining schedule. Ratings and projections update daily."

The "FPI" rankings are expected point differentials over the "average opponent" at a "neutral site".

The "average team" doesn't exist in the model but is between #69 (Temple) and #70 (LTech). Temple would beat this "average opponent" by only 0.1 pts per game over the 10,000 simulations, while LTech would lose by an average of merely 0.4 pts.

Alabama, the #1 ranked team, would beat this "average opponent" by 27.5 pts on average. Memphis, the #32nd ranked team, would be the "average opponent" by 9.9 pts on average. This is each team's FPI score.

Then, FPI scores are compared for each team and each team left on its schedule. Factors such as home field advantage are taken into account, and then a probability W/L is generated for each team remaining on each team's schedule.

On a neutral site, with every other variable neutral as well, the #1 team can be expected to be favored over the #2 team, the #2 team over the #3 team, etc.

Like Kenpom and Sagarin.

(10-28-2014 10:08 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 09:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Upon further investigation something doesn't seem right with these rankings...

ECU at 47 doesn't make sense.

I think it makes perfect sense. ECU has looked downright terrible the last 4 weeks.

They had extreme difficulty in pulling out late wins against UConn and USF, two of the worst teams in the league. Their defense had to withstand an offensive explosion from SMU to finally pull away late in the game. An offensive explosion... from SMU... let that sink in for a minute.

If they manage to get through their remaining schedule without a loss or two, I will be amazed.

SMU was going for it on every down....onside kicks etc etc

(10-28-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 01:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 01:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a lot of you missed reading the fine print. This is NOT a typical ranking, based on the season to date, like most regular polls and rankings.

It is a PROJECTION of how the season will END, based on performance to date, PLUS projected results of each remaining game.

We are ranked above ECU and UCF, b/c that ranking has projected both of them will lose a game, and we won't. It's also how Marshall outranks all of us, b/c they are not expected to lose a game, either.

No, this is a metric to decide which teams would win on a neutral site if the games were played today. The rankings change with every game played. It has nothing to do with which teams are more deserving of being ranked high. It also has nothing to do with who will lose games, other than the "% to win out".

It's akin to Sagarin or Kenpom.

Okay, read the quote below, from ESPN's site, and explain to me where it supports your version, instead of mine. BTW, I said nothing about it being which team deserves to rank higher. I said it's a projection of how the season will play out, represented by the rankings.

ESPN Football Power Index - 2014

"The Football Power Index (FPI) is a measure of team strength that is meant to be the best predictor of a team's performance going forward for the rest of the season. FPI represents how many points above or below average a team is. Projected results are based on 10,000 simulations of the rest of the season using FPI, results to date, and the remaining schedule. Ratings and projections update daily."

The "FPI" rankings are expected point differentials over the "average opponent" at a "neutral site".

The "average team" doesn't exist in the model but is between #69 (Temple) and #70 (LTech). Temple would beat this "average opponent" by only 0.1 pts per game over the 10,000 simulations, while LTech would lose by an average of merely 0.4 pts.

Alabama, the #1 ranked team, would beat this "average opponent" by 27.5 pts on average. Memphis, the #32nd ranked team, would be the "average opponent" by 9.9 pts on average. This is each team's FPI score.

Then, FPI scores are compared for each team and each team left on its schedule. Factors such as home field advantage are taken into account, and then a probability W/L is generated for each team remaining on each team's schedule.

On a neutral site, with every other variable neutral as well, the #1 team can be expected to be favored over the #2 team, the #2 team over the #3 team, etc.

Like Kenpom and Sagarin.

We just disagree then. I prefer to go by what the actual words say on the site we're discussing. You conveniently ignored every word in ESPN's explanation.

Oh no, there's an internet argument going on and somebodies gonna say something harsh in a minute. Where's the dang popcorn?

I was right at the time I responded, with the information I had available at that time.

It's pretty cool, if you click Memphis it shows our remaining schedule with our % chance to win the remaining games.

Tulsa- 95.2%
@ Temple- 66.3%
@ Tulane-87.3%
USF- 91.7%
UConn- 93.5%

93.5 might be the point spread for the Uconn game if we keep improving at this rate.