I dont think Temple has enough impact skill position players. Walker is great, but he is the only one that really stands out. To be fair, I think Memphis has this issue to some degree too. Both teams have effective skill players, but nobody that can just dominate against a good defense. Hence why Houston gave both teams trouble, and UCF also did so to Temple, and Ole Miss did to Memphis.

This Temple team has a lot of fight in it. I think they make it to 6 wins.

Keith Kirkwood and Colin Thompson are potential impact players. Unfortunately, between Thompson's injury and Kirkwood being told by the NCAA he's eligible immediately week 5, they're not up to full speed yet.

Jahad Thomas is certainly an impact player. We could have a ton of good impact players on offense coming in with this recruiting class. I think we might have a few who are freshmen now, but no one has stepped up yet.

(10-27-2014 07:51 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  You guys (Temple fans) obviously know your team 1000x better than I do, but from this casual observer's point of view, I think Rhule has Temple going in the right direction. Walker is still a young QB, and after a year, the opposition knows how to better prepare for him, i.e. keeping him contained in the pocket better (O'Leary called it "keeping him in a phone booth"). It's just a learning process. We saw something similar at UCF in 2011 when Jeff Godfrey struggled as a sophomore QB after a stellar freshman year. If not for a guy named Blake Bortles, he might have ended up being a fine QB. They'll keep learning and adjusting. You're just 2 wins from bowl-eligibility, which would be a really good step up from 2-10. And don't discount the win over Vandy. Even as bad as they are, how long ago would that have still been a likely loss for Temple? Instead, you did what you should have done and kicked their arse, and did it on the road. It should be fun seeing Temple and Walker progress over the next 2.5 years.

The problem is the staff is trying to make him a pocket passer, and the kid is best a a free expressionist. Last year he played with instinct. This year he is being over-coached, and is over-thinking, IMHO.

I also think the O line this year is just not all that good. Less experience than last year. Can't open holes for running backs, so defenses can T-off on PJ because the run threat is not there. Thomas, Gilmore, and Harper have shown glimpses, but the productivity is sporadic. O-line oi the reason.


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(10-27-2014 10:44 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  I dont think Temple has enough impact skill position players. Walker is great, but he is the only one that really stands out. To be fair, I think Memphis has this issue to some degree too. Both teams have effective skill players, but nobody that can just dominate against a good defense. Hence why Houston gave both teams trouble, and UCF also did so to Temple, and Ole Miss did to Memphis.

This Temple team has a lot of fight in it. I think they make it to 6 wins.

That changing with the young guys getting more reps. Mayhue had on 2 catches for 96 yards. Once he fills out he is going to be dangerous with his size and he is just a walkon this year.

Well I still remember pimping out PJ pre-season. Thought the dude would be incredible the whole year. Maybe it's just a sophomore slump that Holman had the first few games.

(10-27-2014 04:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  i wrote this in the game thread but ill repost it here

"to the temple fans, do you konow what i honestly think is wrong with PJ

you guys are trying to make him into something he is not..
i remeber when i called PJ a dual threat earlier and a ton of temple fans got at me and said he was a pocket passer who ocassionally ran..and some temple fans got irrate that i referred to him as a dual threat... being a pocket passer was something you guys took pride in

and if you watch the temple games you can see him "trying to be a pocket passer" ...to me what you guys are taking pride in, is what is the problem in itself..

PJ isnt that good at being a pure pocket passer..thats just the truth, he was good last year becuase he was scrambling and how defenses had to reacted because of the fear of him scrambling .. last year teams had to have a spy on walker (lose a guy from coverage) and play zones on him to keep their eyes on pj, this year he is just in a traditonal offense that honestly has a subpar to mediocre pocketpassing qb and a less talented offense in respect to the competition

dual threat might make him "less" in the eye of others, might decrease his draft stock, but he is who he is..embrace his talents and exploit his strength, stop trying to forcing him into something he is not while robbing him of his greatest assests.

even the few times he ran this year, he runs like a regular qb looking for 10yards and a slide..last year every time he had the ball a potential 50-60yd run wasnt off the table..and that run on 4th an inches was pathetic, he was hesitating, you can tell his instinct as a runner are fading on the idea to be a pocket passer

also noting him like okorn are putting to much heat on his passes especially the shorter passes ..catchable short passes are nice"

I don’t disagree with this at all, however I believe that most of the Temple fans impression that PJ is being groomed by the staff to be a pocket passer comes from the staff. Much of this I believe comes from them wanting to avoid injury. PJ is listed at 6ft1 and 200 lbs, that’s about at inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than reality.

The offensive line needs to step up and do some serious run blocking to at least keep the defense honest and work some time off the clock, on top of that I almost wish the OC would “dumb down” the play book like they did last season when PJ was forced into action so he can go back to look at his first receiver, look at his second receiver, and then if nothing is there react like an athlete. To me it looks like most of his sacks and poor decisions have just been from holding the ball too long and forcing something to happen that’s just not there.

Temple was a 2 win team last year.

You've already doubled your win total and are at least within striking distance of a bowl game. It's not surprising that Temple is now struggling as they hit the harder part of their schedule after starting with a very soft schedule to start.

(10-27-2014 06:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm scared to death of this game. ECU hasn't played well in a month. If ECU doesn't change that Temple will win.

You guys have to much speed for Temple. The only way they keep up with you guys is if you turn the ball over, also weather could be a factor other than that I can't see it. Temple is getting better but they lack team speed. They are the slowest team I've seen UH play all year, and UH schedule is pretty weak.

(10-28-2014 08:00 AM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Well I still remember pimping out PJ pre-season. Thought the dude would be incredible the whole year. Maybe it's just a sophomore slump that Holman had the first few games.

I think of a sophomore slump as a guy like Godfrey or O'Korn who has a great freshman year and then regresses in his sophomore year.

Holman didn't regress, he was just inexperienced. He didn't get his first serious reps until the 3rd quarter against Penn State and got his first start against Missouri in Columbia. Those would be tough games even for an experienced QB.

(10-28-2014 09:11 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:00 AM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Well I still remember pimping out PJ pre-season. Thought the dude would be incredible the whole year. Maybe it's just a sophomore slump that Holman had the first few games.

I think of a sophomore slump as a guy like Godfrey or O'Korn who has a great freshman year and then regresses in his sophomore year.

O'Korn is not a very good QB, he is big and slow, and has zero touch on his passes, panics in the pocket, and can't read defenses. He is better suited as a power I QB...Would be a good QB in the Big 10.

(10-28-2014 09:23 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 09:11 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:00 AM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Well I still remember pimping out PJ pre-season. Thought the dude would be incredible the whole year. Maybe it's just a sophomore slump that Holman had the first few games.

I think of a sophomore slump as a guy like Godfrey or O'Korn who has a great freshman year and then regresses in his sophomore year.

O'Korn is not a very good QB, he is big and slow, and has zero touch on his passes, panics in the pocket, and can't read defenses. He is better suited as a power I QB...Would be a good QB in the Big 10.

okorn is very fast for his size, probably faster than most true prostyle qbs

i think he has touch, i just think he doesnt know when to use it, you can see his touch on the endzone fade he always throws, alot of his passes are too hard, but i think that is more decision making than not being capable

he can read defenses if given the time

okorn main problem is he didnt handle pressure well so everyone brought pressure. he looked like the second coming for 2 quarters of the byu game when they foolishly went into coverage and removed the pressure.

to me okorns problems are coachable..

(10-28-2014 09:30 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 09:23 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 09:11 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  

(10-28-2014 08:00 AM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Well I still remember pimping out PJ pre-season. Thought the dude would be incredible the whole year. Maybe it's just a sophomore slump that Holman had the first few games.

I think of a sophomore slump as a guy like Godfrey or O'Korn who has a great freshman year and then regresses in his sophomore year.

O'Korn is not a very good QB, he is big and slow, and has zero touch on his passes, panics in the pocket, and can't read defenses. He is better suited as a power I QB...Would be a good QB in the Big 10.

okorn is very fast for his size, probably faster than most true prostyle qbs

i think he has touch, i just think he doesnt know when to use it, you can see his touch on the endzone fade he always throws, alot of his passes are too hard, but i think that is more decision making than not being capable

he can read defenses if given the time

okorn main problem is he didnt handle pressure well so everyone brought pressure. he looked like the second coming for 2 quarters of the byu game when they foolishly went into coverage and removed the pressure.

to me okorns problems are coachable..

Agree to disagree!