(10-29-2014 03:10 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:10 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:05 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  On more question?

Who owns the land east of the KSU baseball stadioum across Interstate 575? Looks like more than enough for an on campus stadium.

They are going to play in the soccer stadium they already have.

It's a nice little stadium that is fine for FCS but nowhere near large enough for FBS.

They arent goin FBS

You did not answer the question Mr. Panama!

There are 88 acres across the Interstate from KSU available for a stadium. The property is split up among three real estate investment companies.

88 Acres is more than enough for a FBS size football stadium. For comparison, Ted Turner Field is on 15 acres.

So your pronouncements about KSU's abilities to acquire land and money appear to be quite suspect. "They arent goin FBS"

It appears Mr. Panama, that like the Panthers on the field, you are going to have to Up!, your game!

Now....

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

I wasn't speaking directly to Kennesaw but I appreciate the laugh.

You have "A" compliance officer. Hire at least one more. That's usually the minimum in FBS and that wasn't even a position I was counting so increase my number by one.

Woooo you can drive a 13 member basketball team around with 3 coaches and usually three more support staff to a road game. You are hauling 13 uniforms and warm-up clothes and shoes. That's TOTALLY the same thing as hauling around 55 football players, and around twenty five coaches, trainers, managers, video crew and such. And helmets and pads don't fold up neatly in the luggage compartment of a bus. Ever notice that most schools own a tractor-trailer to haul the football gear (which means you either have someone on staff with a CDL or have to hire a temp with a CDL).

25,000 students so with the new athletic fee that's $2.5 million.

Number of grads equals blah blah blah blah. It's grads interested in supporting the athletic department that matters. UALR graduates about the same number of students as Arkansas State they cannot get enough alumni interest to fully fund scholarships for all the sports they have.

50,000 nearby alumni means ZERO political power. If typical half vote. That's just short of 1% of the votes cast in the last governor election in Georgia. Even if 100% voted that's still a bit under 2%. It's been 20 years since 50,000 votes would swing a Georgia governor election but you'd be a rare force if 5% of those 50,000 CARE enough about KSU to make KSU a factor in how they vote. I am friends with a significant Razorback donor (suite holder the whole bit, gives a lot of money) and he was also a big donor to a legislator who pushed for budget cuts for higher ed because his position on tax cuts was more interesting to him.

Delta's bottom line improved by Sun Belt fans coming to Atlanta.

That was a joke right? First of all if KSU were in the Sun Belt the teams flying in aren't chartering from Delta so scratch that. Very few fans travel to road games. Most who do drive and most who fly are either boosters flying with the team or people who fly their own airplane or charter a plane. I considered flying to Atlanta for Georgia State this year. Delta rapes us for direct flights. I could fly American or United for $130 less and if you figure in baggage fees SW for $160 less than Delta. Yep going to help Delta a lot.

And Coke Come on. The concession stand sales at KSU are going to cause Coke to throw big money at KSU? The University of Arkansas, SEC, 60,000-70,000 crowds for football at home, Pepsi signs in the stadium that get seen on 6-7 telecasts a year pays $1.1 million a year for the athletic rights but the bulk of the payment is for the right to put a pig on Pepsi signs at stores and restaurants around the state and on cans and bottles and give away items, not for the rinky dinky sales at the stadium.

I wasn't addressing Kennesaw and don't know why you got your dander up feeling all attacked and dismissed when all I was doing was saying IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY IN GENERAL but your counter isn't based in any reality.

Take this back to the OP or chance it being moved or shut down. We have a plethora of "add" threads already. The title doesn't even come close to making it so.

(10-29-2014 03:53 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Take this back to the OP or chance it being moved or shut down. We have a plethora of "add" threads already. The title doesn't even come close to making it so.

Already? We haven't even discussed Lamar yet.

(10-29-2014 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

I wasn't speaking directly to Kennesaw but I appreciate the laugh.

You have "A" compliance officer. Hire at least one more. That's usually the minimum in FBS and that wasn't even a position I was counting so increase my number by one.

Woooo you can drive a 13 member basketball team around with 3 coaches and usually three more support staff to a road game. You are hauling 13 uniforms and warm-up clothes and shoes. That's TOTALLY the same thing as hauling around 55 football players, and around twenty five coaches, trainers, managers, video crew and such. And helmets and pads don't fold up neatly in the luggage compartment of a bus. Ever notice that most schools own a tractor-trailer to haul the football gear (which means you either have someone on staff with a CDL or have to hire a temp with a CDL).

25,000 students so with the new athletic fee that's $2.5 million.

Number of grads equals blah blah blah blah. It's grads interested in supporting the athletic department that matters. UALR graduates about the same number of students as Arkansas State they cannot get enough alumni interest to fully fund scholarships for all the sports they have.

50,000 nearby alumni means ZERO political power. If typical half vote. That's just short of 1% of the votes cast in the last governor election in Georgia. Even if 100% voted that's still a bit under 2%. It's been 20 years since 50,000 votes would swing a Georgia governor election but you'd be a rare force if 5% of those 50,000 CARE enough about KSU to make KSU a factor in how they vote. I am friends with a significant Razorback donor (suite holder the whole bit, gives a lot of money) and he was also a big donor to a legislator who pushed for budget cuts for higher ed because his position on tax cuts was more interesting to him.

Delta's bottom line improved by Sun Belt fans coming to Atlanta.

That was a joke right? First of all if KSU were in the Sun Belt the teams flying in aren't chartering from Delta so scratch that. Very few fans travel to road games. Most who do drive and most who fly are either boosters flying with the team or people who fly their own airplane or charter a plane. I considered flying to Atlanta for Georgia State this year. Delta rapes us for direct flights. I could fly American or United for $130 less and if you figure in baggage fees SW for $160 less than Delta. Yep going to help Delta a lot.

And Coke Come on. The concession stand sales at KSU are going to cause Coke to throw big money at KSU? The University of Arkansas, SEC, 60,000-70,000 crowds for football at home, Pepsi signs in the stadium that get seen on 6-7 telecasts a year pays $1.1 million a year for the athletic rights but the bulk of the payment is for the right to put a pig on Pepsi signs at stores and restaurants around the state and on cans and bottles and give away items, not for the rinky dinky sales at the stadium.

I wasn't addressing Kennesaw and don't know why you got your dander up feeling all attacked and dismissed when all I was doing was saying IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY IN GENERAL but your counter isn't based in any reality.

No dander involved in this food fight. I appreciate the conversation and laughing along with you. Your argument is very biased and not properly thought out. You put conditions on KSU or any other aspiring school that also apply to the majority of the conference. You are talking Arkansas and not Arkansas State. Come on dude.

I just guessed at just a couple of donors. $750,000 dollars to Coca Cola is nothing. So make it $1000 from 750 donors. And it looks like Delta has your dander up. "whew" Unfortunatley, not everyone has the ability to choose from a smorgasbord of airlines. So KSU gets $75,000 dollars from airlines, Hertz, Avis, Enterprise and Greyhound, etc.

You asked and I layed out the scenario and you still don't like it. Okay with me. Just don't give me lame statements to make obscure points of non validated facts.

The reality is that I beat your argument and you just will not concede. Now

(10-29-2014 03:53 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Take this back to the OP or chance it being moved or shut down. We have a plethora of "add" threads already. The title doesn't even come close to making it so.

Will do.

(10-29-2014 04:09 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

I wasn't speaking directly to Kennesaw but I appreciate the laugh.

You have "A" compliance officer. Hire at least one more. That's usually the minimum in FBS and that wasn't even a position I was counting so increase my number by one.

Woooo you can drive a 13 member basketball team around with 3 coaches and usually three more support staff to a road game. You are hauling 13 uniforms and warm-up clothes and shoes. That's TOTALLY the same thing as hauling around 55 football players, and around twenty five coaches, trainers, managers, video crew and such. And helmets and pads don't fold up neatly in the luggage compartment of a bus. Ever notice that most schools own a tractor-trailer to haul the football gear (which means you either have someone on staff with a CDL or have to hire a temp with a CDL).

25,000 students so with the new athletic fee that's $2.5 million.

Number of grads equals blah blah blah blah. It's grads interested in supporting the athletic department that matters. UALR graduates about the same number of students as Arkansas State they cannot get enough alumni interest to fully fund scholarships for all the sports they have.

50,000 nearby alumni means ZERO political power. If typical half vote. That's just short of 1% of the votes cast in the last governor election in Georgia. Even if 100% voted that's still a bit under 2%. It's been 20 years since 50,000 votes would swing a Georgia governor election but you'd be a rare force if 5% of those 50,000 CARE enough about KSU to make KSU a factor in how they vote. I am friends with a significant Razorback donor (suite holder the whole bit, gives a lot of money) and he was also a big donor to a legislator who pushed for budget cuts for higher ed because his position on tax cuts was more interesting to him.

Delta's bottom line improved by Sun Belt fans coming to Atlanta.

That was a joke right? First of all if KSU were in the Sun Belt the teams flying in aren't chartering from Delta so scratch that. Very few fans travel to road games. Most who do drive and most who fly are either boosters flying with the team or people who fly their own airplane or charter a plane. I considered flying to Atlanta for Georgia State this year. Delta rapes us for direct flights. I could fly American or United for $130 less and if you figure in baggage fees SW for $160 less than Delta. Yep going to help Delta a lot.

And Coke Come on. The concession stand sales at KSU are going to cause Coke to throw big money at KSU? The University of Arkansas, SEC, 60,000-70,000 crowds for football at home, Pepsi signs in the stadium that get seen on 6-7 telecasts a year pays $1.1 million a year for the athletic rights but the bulk of the payment is for the right to put a pig on Pepsi signs at stores and restaurants around the state and on cans and bottles and give away items, not for the rinky dinky sales at the stadium.

I wasn't addressing Kennesaw and don't know why you got your dander up feeling all attacked and dismissed when all I was doing was saying IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY IN GENERAL but your counter isn't based in any reality.

No dander involved in this food fight. I appreciate the conversation and laughing along with you. Your argument is very biased and not properly thought out. You put conditions on KSU or any other aspiring school that also apply to the majority of the conference. You are talking Arkansas and not Arkansas State. Come on dude.

I just guessed at just a couple of donors. $750,000 dollars to Coca Cola is nothing. So make it $1000 from 750 donors. And it looks like Delta has your dander up. "whew" Unfortunatley, not everyone has the ability to choose from a smorgasbord of airlines. So KSU gets $75,000 dollars from airlines, Hertz, Avis, Enterprise and Greyhound, etc.

You asked and I layed out the scenario and you still don't like it. Okay with me. Just don't give me lame statements to make obscure points of non validated facts.

The reality is that I beat your argument and you just will not concede. Now

So I was playing baseball and you threw up a three point shot, not the same game in case you don't get it.

I NEVER mentioned Kennesaw in the post you responded to and I sure as **** didn't have Kennesaw in mind. I don't even know where the hell it is other than someplace near Atlanta. Didn't know nor care one thing about their existence until your post (go READ my post about adding football please show me the KSU mentions) I googled KSU's fee to find out what they are spending because you were going to show me I was wrong about Kennesaw when I never gave Kennesaw one thought.

I can't admit I've been proven wrong about Kennesaw because I've not argued Kennesaw can't afford it because how the hell would I know, I've not looked at their budget and don't even know what sports they offer, what facilities they have or even their mascot and don't C A R E, it isn't relevant to what I was pointing out.

Declare victory but that would a stupid thing you are going to haul a football team on the basketball team bus and get big money from Coke and Delta (your suggestions). You throw out $750k from Coke when an SEC team is getting $1.1 million primarily for the advertising value.

Your 50,000 alums are going to swing political power.

You throw out the idea of acquiring land that would be valued at around $19 million to $24 million as the perfect stadium location.

(10-29-2014 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:53 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Take this back to the OP or chance it being moved or shut down. We have a plethora of "add" threads already. The title doesn't even come close to making it so.

Already? We haven't even discussed Lamar yet.

(10-29-2014 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:53 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Take this back to the OP or chance it being moved or shut down. We have a plethora of "add" threads already. The title doesn't even come close to making it so.

Already? We haven't even discussed Lamar yet.

Don't forget about the Big Sky moving en masse to the Sun Belt so that they can split off and become their own conference, all as part of a nefarious plan to rid ourselves Idaho (even though we just have to give them two years to get out).

(10-29-2014 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  That is a very weak argument.

1. KSU already has an athletic department with a compliance officer. They have their own buses and charters already lined up to transport 6 foot 5 basketball and volley ball players.

2. KSU has over 25,000 students which would make it third in the Sun Belt behind Texas State and Georgia State excluding UTA which means:

3. KSU probably graduates about 4,000 every year which means 4,000 new supporters entering the work force.

4. If the average graduation is 3,000 over the last 10 years then that is 30,000 alumni mainly in the Atlanta Metro.

5. 50,000 nearby alumni means economic and some political power which means money for KSU athletics.

6. This means KSU gets more money for scholarships, equipment, facilities, fields and stadiums.

7. Using your $3 million minimum, KSU could get 50 percent from students and 50 percent from business donation.

That works out to an increase of $20 per semester for each student and donations of $750,000 donations from Coca Cola and Delta. Guess who gets the concession deal at the all the ball games? Guess which airline benefits from all those Sun Belt travelers?

There are probably a few more but I think this handles the money situation.

I wasn't speaking directly to Kennesaw but I appreciate the laugh.

You have "A" compliance officer. Hire at least one more. That's usually the minimum in FBS and that wasn't even a position I was counting so increase my number by one.

Woooo you can drive a 13 member basketball team around with 3 coaches and usually three more support staff to a road game. You are hauling 13 uniforms and warm-up clothes and shoes. That's TOTALLY the same thing as hauling around 55 football players, and around twenty five coaches, trainers, managers, video crew and such. And helmets and pads don't fold up neatly in the luggage compartment of a bus. Ever notice that most schools own a tractor-trailer to haul the football gear (which means you either have someone on staff with a CDL or have to hire a temp with a CDL).

25,000 students so with the new athletic fee that's $2.5 million.

Number of grads equals blah blah blah blah. It's grads interested in supporting the athletic department that matters. UALR graduates about the same number of students as Arkansas State they cannot get enough alumni interest to fully fund scholarships for all the sports they have.

50,000 nearby alumni means ZERO political power. If typical half vote. That's just short of 1% of the votes cast in the last governor election in Georgia. Even if 100% voted that's still a bit under 2%. It's been 20 years since 50,000 votes would swing a Georgia governor election but you'd be a rare force if 5% of those 50,000 CARE enough about KSU to make KSU a factor in how they vote. I am friends with a significant Razorback donor (suite holder the whole bit, gives a lot of money) and he was also a big donor to a legislator who pushed for budget cuts for higher ed because his position on tax cuts was more interesting to him.

Delta's bottom line improved by Sun Belt fans coming to Atlanta.

That was a joke right? First of all if KSU were in the Sun Belt the teams flying in aren't chartering from Delta so scratch that. Very few fans travel to road games. Most who do drive and most who fly are either boosters flying with the team or people who fly their own airplane or charter a plane. I considered flying to Atlanta for Georgia State this year. Delta rapes us for direct flights. I could fly American or United for $130 less and if you figure in baggage fees SW for $160 less than Delta. Yep going to help Delta a lot.

And Coke Come on. The concession stand sales at KSU are going to cause Coke to throw big money at KSU? The University of Arkansas, SEC, 60,000-70,000 crowds for football at home, Pepsi signs in the stadium that get seen on 6-7 telecasts a year pays $1.1 million a year for the athletic rights but the bulk of the payment is for the right to put a pig on Pepsi signs at stores and restaurants around the state and on cans and bottles and give away items, not for the rinky dinky sales at the stadium.

I wasn't addressing Kennesaw and don't know why you got your dander up feeling all attacked and dismissed when all I was doing was saying IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY IN GENERAL but your counter isn't based in any reality.

Arkstfan handles my lightweights.

FJ you have really lost it. Still don't understand the FBS love affair with a program that is broke. Land across an interstate means nothing without money to buy it and money to build a stadium. These guys converted a receiving dock to life weights. Cmon now.

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From this outsider view:

There is politics everywhere and finding common ground is a good start. The SunBelt has groups, which can block things from happening, kind of like congress. The common ground is wanting all sports members, but geography seems to matter. NMSU is hurt by the west already having 6 teams. Seems like having a number of travel partners would help without divisions as the A10 and other leagues or even divisions with a fewer travel partners.

For those who may or may not have more knowledge of the situation, I'm pretty sure I heard KSU bought the property across the street from the soccer stadium, where Brandsmart is. In my mind that seems large enough for a 22k seat stadium, don't know about parking though.

Having said all that, FJ, if KSU moves to FBS within a decade, tickets to their inaugural FBS game are on me.

(10-29-2014 08:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  For those who may or may not have more knowledge of the situation, I'm pretty sure I heard KSU bought the property across the street from the soccer stadium, where Brandsmart is. In my mind that seems large enough for a 22k seat stadium, don't know about parking though.

Having said all that, FJ, if KSU moves to FBS within a decade, tickets to their inaugural FBS game are on me.

Much appreciated.

(10-30-2014 02:12 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 08:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  For those who may or may not have more knowledge of the situation, I'm pretty sure I heard KSU bought the property across the street from the soccer stadium, where Brandsmart is. In my mind that seems large enough for a 22k seat stadium, don't know about parking though.

Having said all that, FJ, if KSU moves to FBS within a decade, tickets to their inaugural FBS game are on me.

Much appreciated.

Think nothing of it, really.

I think the real reason ULL and Ark State have extra influence (and they do - but not as much as others think) is because they are considered credible threats to leave the conference. UALR's worst nightmare is for Ark State to leave for CUSA or the MAC and for them to either be on an island in the Belt or even worse, have to go to the Southland or OVC. Regardless of how awful we think Sun Belt basketball has become, it hasn't fallen as far as its geographic neighbors. UTA probably feels the same way.

USA has a brand new President. That diminishes the influence.

(10-29-2014 08:14 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  From this outsider view:

There is politics everywhere and finding common ground is a good start. The SunBelt has groups, which can block things from happening, kind of like congress. The common ground is wanting all sports members, but geography seems to matter. NMSU is hurt by the west already having 6 teams. Seems like having a number of travel partners would help without divisions as the A10 and other leagues or even divisions with a fewer travel partners.

Yea, the A-10 going division-less was a really good idea.

I'm good with adding NMSU as an all sports member.

(10-31-2014 10:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think the real reason ULL and Ark State have extra influence (and they do - but not as much as others think) is because they are considered credible threats to leave the conference. UALR's worst nightmare is for Ark State to leave for CUSA or the MAC and for them to either be on an island in the Belt or even worse, have to go to the Southland or OVC. Regardless of how awful we think Sun Belt basketball has become, it hasn't fallen as far as its geographic neighbors. UTA probably feels the same way.

USA has a brand new President. That diminishes the influence.

uta has a history with some of the sbc schools. If txst were to leave I dont think it would cause our admin. to panic, but I am sure that fans and alumni like myself are glad that they are in the sbc with us. they are close and many kids from the dfw metro area go there so we have more fan interest when their teams come in to play. I think if nmsu would bring the rest of their sports and we were to have a western and eastern division it would be a happy place for uta. If we had mostate, that would just be icing on the cake..

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uta has a history with some of the sbc schools. If txst were to leave I dont think it would cause our admin. to panic, but I am sure that fans and alumni like myself are glad that they are in the sbc with us. they are close and many kids from the dfw metro area go there so we have more fan interest when their teams come in to play. I think if nmsu would bring the rest of their sports and we were to have a western and eastern division it would be a happy place for uta. If we had mostate, that would just be icing on the cake..
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Yes, we have a history with some of the Sunbelt schools, but I don't think that means much anymore. Our AD and president have no connection to that. It is just some of the old timers who remember them. (Not suggesting old timers are not important.)

We value Tx St as a conference member.

I thought we weren't adding any new members for the time being?

I wouldn't want to add any of the schools mentioned in this thread