“If the drop-off is that big, then it’s a coaching an issue; it’s a recruiting issue.”

Kuresa even went so far as to say “I don’t think there’s a lot of reason to be overly optimistic as far as wins and losses” the remainder of the season.

Some even want Bronco's head

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From what I'm hearing, Michigan will be happy to take him off of their hands.

I think being independent hurts them as they have nothing to play for once they lose a game or two. In a conference, they'd at least rack up conference championships or division titles. Add the religious restrictions and it will be hard for them to ever attract top tier talent.

I'm not all doom and gloom though. I think with a healthy QB Hill, they'd be undefeated or close to it. Bronco Mendenhall seems to be the best with what he's got. I'd love for them to come to the American, but even going to the MWC would probably help them.

I still see BYU going bowling this season. UNLV and Savannah State should be wins

(10-25-2014 12:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I think being independent hurts them as they have nothing to play for once they lose a game or two. In a conference, they'd at least rack up conference championships or division titles. Add the religious restrictions and it will be hard for them to ever attract top tier talent.

I'm not all doom and gloom though. I think with a healthy QB Hill, they'd be undefeated or close to it. Bronco Mendenhall seems to be the best with what he's got. I'd love for them to come to the American, but even going to the MWC would probably help them.

I just don't think their a good fit for the AAC due to the LDS church being so obscure outside the mountain states. LDS fans can watch them play every year in Boise, Vegas, San Diego, Wyoming, Hawaii etc. it's probably nice to have "road" games where 1/4 to 1/2 of the fans are your own.

(10-25-2014 05:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 12:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I think being independent hurts them as they have nothing to play for once they lose a game or two. In a conference, they'd at least rack up conference championships or division titles. Add the religious restrictions and it will be hard for them to ever attract top tier talent.

I'm not all doom and gloom though. I think with a healthy QB Hill, they'd be undefeated or close to it. Bronco Mendenhall seems to be the best with what he's got. I'd love for them to come to the American, but even going to the MWC would probably help them.

I just don't think their a good fit for the AAC due to the LDS church being so obscure outside the mountain states. LDS fans can watch them play every year in Boise, Vegas, San Diego, Wyoming, Hawaii etc. it's probably nice to have "road" games where 1/4 to 1/2 of the fans are your own.

Most large towns have a LDS Church…Heck the town I live in in Eastern NC has two different LDS Churches and we only have a population of just over 100,000 in the entire county. There is a much larger presence of the Mormon faith all around the country than most people realize.

(10-26-2014 09:41 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 05:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 12:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I think being independent hurts them as they have nothing to play for once they lose a game or two. In a conference, they'd at least rack up conference championships or division titles. Add the religious restrictions and it will be hard for them to ever attract top tier talent.

I'm not all doom and gloom though. I think with a healthy QB Hill, they'd be undefeated or close to it. Bronco Mendenhall seems to be the best with what he's got. I'd love for them to come to the American, but even going to the MWC would probably help them.

I just don't think their a good fit for the AAC due to the LDS church being so obscure outside the mountain states. LDS fans can watch them play every year in Boise, Vegas, San Diego, Wyoming, Hawaii etc. it's probably nice to have "road" games where 1/4 to 1/2 of the fans are your own.

Most large towns have a LDS Church…Heck the town I live in in Eastern NC has two different LDS Churches and we only have a population of just over 100,000 in the entire county. There is a much larger presence of the Mormon faith all around the country than most people realize.

There's a huge Mormon temple in DC, visible from the Beltway (it might be in Maryalnd, actually, but who cares). Best known for the "Free Dorothy" and/or "Surrender Dorothy" graffiti on the railroad bridge over teh Beltway as you see the temple, which for years was bathed in green lights.

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/ywc/a...brides.htm

Dunno if there's a huge number of people using the temple or not.

(10-25-2014 05:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I just don't think their a good fit for the AAC due to the LDS church being so obscure outside the mountain states. LDS fans can watch them play every year in Boise, Vegas, San Diego, Wyoming, Hawaii etc. it's probably nice to have "road" games where 1/4 to 1/2 of the fans are your own.

While the bulk of their membership is in states out west, Texas (where the AAC has 2 teams) has the 5th most LDS members of any state (326,000). Also the Mormons are the largest land holder in the state of Florida (where the AAC has 2 teams) and the state has the 10th most LDS members of any state (147,000). North Carolina actually has the 13th most LDS members of any state (81,000).

By comparison, Wyoming has only 66,000 LDS member and Hawaii has 73,000.

(10-26-2014 09:41 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 05:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 12:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I think being independent hurts them as they have nothing to play for once they lose a game or two. In a conference, they'd at least rack up conference championships or division titles. Add the religious restrictions and it will be hard for them to ever attract top tier talent.

I'm not all doom and gloom though. I think with a healthy QB Hill, they'd be undefeated or close to it. Bronco Mendenhall seems to be the best with what he's got. I'd love for them to come to the American, but even going to the MWC would probably help them.

I just don't think their a good fit for the AAC due to the LDS church being so obscure outside the mountain states. LDS fans can watch them play every year in Boise, Vegas, San Diego, Wyoming, Hawaii etc. it's probably nice to have "road" games where 1/4 to 1/2 of the fans are your own.

Most large towns have a LDS Church…Heck the town I live in in Eastern NC has two different LDS Churches and we only have a population of just over 100,000 in the entire county. There is a much larger presence of the Mormon faith all around the country than most people realize.

Yep, they have gone national and stayed under the radar. There are a lot in Nashville.

(10-25-2014 05:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 12:38 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I think being independent hurts them as they have nothing to play for once they lose a game or two. In a conference, they'd at least rack up conference championships or division titles. Add the religious restrictions and it will be hard for them to ever attract top tier talent.

I'm not all doom and gloom though. I think with a healthy QB Hill, they'd be undefeated or close to it. Bronco Mendenhall seems to be the best with what he's got. I'd love for them to come to the American, but even going to the MWC would probably help them.

I just don't think their a good fit for the AAC due to the LDS church being so obscure outside the mountain states. LDS fans can watch them play every year in Boise, Vegas, San Diego, Wyoming, Hawaii etc. it's probably nice to have "road" games where 1/4 to 1/2 of the fans are your own.

Ok Quo.

The AAC would take BYU in less them 1/10 of 1 second. The problem with the AAC expanding is that the MWC teams really do like playing each other. Before we went to 12, I think we could have invited enough of them to make it happen, but at this point I dont think it would happen.

New Mexico supposedly would be the easiest to get, but outside of Bball would we really want them? To me, outside of Boise St, CSU is the most desirable and if we could convince Air Force, then it would be a good add.

The West could look like Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Air Force and CSU. Travel costs would be about the same for everybody but Memphis, which could be taken care of with a mild stipend.

If by any chance those two could be taken... Then at that point you take one more Run at BYU and hopefully add Army.

Having BYU and the three Academies, along with a very up and coming CSU would make the American much stronger. Both BYU and CSU are NCAA tourney teams, so we could count on 7 bids a year or more.
It also would give us 14 full members and 2 football only (Navy and Army) which is a near perfect size.

If you want to get really crazy and move to 16 in all sports, then add VCU and Wichita St. to balance out the two academies being Football only. That would make the AAC the basketball conference. with 9-10 bids per year.

What WILL happen...Nothing.

Actually the most likely school that might leave the MWC for the AAC if BYU joined would be SDSU. Remember they wanted to stay in the AAC but after money didn't pan out and having yo keep their Olympic sports in the BW it didn't make sense.
Now you add BYU and increase TV money and give them all sports access and hey might be interested.

I remember reading an article quoting the san diego st ad amd he seemed to be excited about the big east/west setup they were about to have. I think if an opportunity arose like that again they would take advantage of it

(10-26-2014 01:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I remember reading an article quoting the san diego st ad amd he seemed to be excited about the big east/west setup they were about to have. I think if an opportunity arose like that again they would take advantage of it

The $$$ has to work out the right way… but yeah I think the idea of it would be very appealing to them.

Look at it this way: they were willing to be western partners with Boise State. Being western partners with BYU is a much bigger platform.

(10-26-2014 11:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Actually the most likely school that might leave the MWC for the AAC if BYU joined would be SDSU. Remember they wanted to stay in the AAC but after money didn't pan out and having yo keep their Olympic sports in the BW it didn't make sense.
Now you add BYU and increase TV money and give them all sports access and hey might be interested.

But economically speaking for us, it doesnt make sense. SDSU is WAY the hell over there. If you look at adding Colorado St., Air Force, and BYU the travel is quite a bit less and it sets up a balances 8 west and 8 east conference that would include Army.

I personally think its key to get all three academies which has national appeal and then BYU which also does too.

I now SDSU wanted to be a part of our conference but I think that chance passed when we added the final 3 eastern teams.

(10-26-2014 04:40 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Actually the most likely school that might leave the MWC for the AAC if BYU joined would be SDSU. Remember they wanted to stay in the AAC but after money didn't pan out and having yo keep their Olympic sports in the BW it didn't make sense.
Now you add BYU and increase TV money and give them all sports access and hey might be interested.

But economically speaking for us, it doesnt make sense. SDSU is WAY the hell over there. If you look at adding Colorado St., Air Force, and BYU the travel is quite a bit less and it sets up a balances 8 west and 8 east conference that would include Army.

I personally think its key to get all three academies which has national appeal and then BYU which also does too.

I now SDSU wanted to be a part of our conference but I think that chance passed when we added the final 3 eastern teams.

Doesn't matter wether it's CSU,BYU or SDSU they will all need air travel. San Diego is a large city and if you are talking LDS then BYU would love that addition
San Diego is closer to Houston than UConn

3 pods....eastern/central/western

East - ucf, usf, ecu, uconn, temple, navy
Central - cincy, tulane, tulsa, houston, smu, Memphis
West - BYU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, Colorado State


You would think this would have some value to a network with 3 timezones watching the games. Possible network options with that many teams.

Byu, csu and air force would be a hell of a package. Afa and csu are kind of a package deal with wyoming though. Wyo/csu is a very important rivaly for both sides. Not saying csu wouldn't leave them behind but BYU woukd HAVE to be part of the mix.

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(10-26-2014 05:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Byu, csu and air force would be a hell of a package. Afa and csu are kind of a package deal with wyoming though. Wyo/csu is a very important rivaly for both sides. Not saying csu wouldn't leave them behind but BYU woukd HAVE to be part of the mix.

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The front range schools (wyoming, CSU, AF) won't ever split up. See 16 team WAC break up of 98 for more details on this topic.

(10-26-2014 05:05 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 pods....eastern/central/western

East - ucf, usf, ecu, uconn, temple, navy
Central - cincy, tulane, tulsa, houston, smu, Memphis
West - BYU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, Colorado State


You would think this would have some value to a network with 3 timezones watching the games. Possible network options with that many teams.

I am not certain we would get much more money for that setup. Too many mouths to feed and the biggest issue I see is we could be screwing ourselves.
Remember that if we add the rest of the strong teams, then we will knock ourselves out and a piss ant team like Marshal will get the Access bowl.

Only way I think we expand to 16 is if we are guranteed access... which could happen once the playoff is expanded to 8 or more.