(10-26-2014 05:53 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I am not certain we would get much more money for that setup.

Well you wouldn't do it unless it made financial sense and/or provided the automatic access.

(10-26-2014 04:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:40 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Actually the most likely school that might leave the MWC for the AAC if BYU joined would be SDSU. Remember they wanted to stay in the AAC but after money didn't pan out and having yo keep their Olympic sports in the BW it didn't make sense.
Now you add BYU and increase TV money and give them all sports access and hey might be interested.

But economically speaking for us, it doesnt make sense. SDSU is WAY the hell over there. If you look at adding Colorado St., Air Force, and BYU the travel is quite a bit less and it sets up a balances 8 west and 8 east conference that would include Army.

I personally think its key to get all three academies which has national appeal and then BYU which also does too.

I now SDSU wanted to be a part of our conference but I think that chance passed when we added the final 3 eastern teams.

Doesn't matter wether it's CSU,BYU or SDSU they will all need air travel. San Diego is a large city and if you are talking LDS then BYU would love that addition
San Diego is closer to Houston than UConn

Absolutely SDSU is closer for Houston but not for Tulane and Memphis.

I am not saying I dont like the idea of SDSU. They have a passionate basketball fanbase. I just think a combo of CSU, Air Force and BYU, along with a western addition of Army would bring the most money and be the least travel for all involved.

West:
BYU, CSU, Air Force, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Tulane and Memphis
East:
Uconn, Temple, Army, Navy, ECU, Cinci, USF and UCF.

The Center point of the entire coference is Memphis and Tulane. Travel to BYU is less than SDSU...not by much and I do get your point. I just tend to believe that The Academies are important from a national interest standpoint. I dont see Army joining without Air Force... at least that was what was implied the last time they were discussed... and then I dont see Air Force without CSU.

HERES why it WONT happen:

Who is both ACC and MWC tv partner? Yep, ESPN and CBS. They already have both conference for pennies on the dollar. They pay a combines $40 million for all 24 teams ($22 for AAC, $18 for MWC). They really have no incentive.

This is why I really thought the idea of a 16 team East/ West Conference made the most sense. By grabbing the best 16 teams form the former BE, CUSA and MWC, we could have lowered the amount of quality inventory that was available and drive up the cost for it. I honestly think that conference would have gotten closer to the $3-$4 million a year mark and because of the quality of Bball would have racked up some big NCAA credits.

For now, I just dont see an economic reason for ESPN to do anything with us. For the next 7 years, they have us cheap.

(10-26-2014 05:53 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 05:05 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 pods....eastern/central/western

East - ucf, usf, ecu, uconn, temple, navy
Central - cincy, tulane, tulsa, houston, smu, Memphis
West - BYU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, Colorado State


You would think this would have some value to a network with 3 timezones watching the games. Possible network options with that many teams.

I am not certain we would get much more money for that setup. Too many mouths to feed and the biggest issue I see is we could be screwing ourselves.
Remember that if we add the rest of the strong teams, then we will knock ourselves out and a piss ant team like Marshal will get the Access bowl.

Only way I think we expand to 16 is if we are guranteed access... which could happen once the playoff is expanded to 8 or more.

I think it will get expanded.
The SEC is having a strong showing this season. We are looking at the possibility where we could have 2 or more SEC teams in the playoff format that we have now....forcing the other leagues to vote for a expanded playoff to better enhance their team's chances of landing a playoff spot...but also enhancing the chances of the G5 as well.

(10-26-2014 05:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 05:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Byu, csu and air force would be a hell of a package. Afa and csu are kind of a package deal with wyoming though. Wyo/csu is a very important rivaly for both sides. Not saying csu wouldn't leave them behind but BYU woukd HAVE to be part of the mix.

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The front range schools (wyoming, CSU, AF) won't ever split up. See 16 team WAC break up of 98 for more details on this topic.

I tend to agree but even back then the WAC didnt have a big enough stick. CSU and Wyoming are very close and tend to stay together... Air Force is a bit different. The way to pry them away is to get Army and Navy. They listened to Arescos pitch back when this was all formed and there was interest, but when Army wouldn't commit and Navy spun their wheels for a while, along with all the issues the AAC/BE was going through gave the MWC enough time to kill the deal by getting Boise St to back out.
If we got Army to commit, then I think we can get Air Force to get to a point where they would say "If CSU goes then we go". At that point, we would need two things, a higher paying contract and hopefully more of a gurantee within the Access bowl setup.... which I think happens once the playoff expands.

It wont be easy and the cards would have to fall just right, but I believe it could happen... the hardest part would be getting ESPN to actually join in. If not, then we can attempt it in 2019 when our contract runs out.

(10-26-2014 06:12 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:40 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Actually the most likely school that might leave the MWC for the AAC if BYU joined would be SDSU. Remember they wanted to stay in the AAC but after money didn't pan out and having yo keep their Olympic sports in the BW it didn't make sense.
Now you add BYU and increase TV money and give them all sports access and hey might be interested.

But economically speaking for us, it doesnt make sense. SDSU is WAY the hell over there. If you look at adding Colorado St., Air Force, and BYU the travel is quite a bit less and it sets up a balances 8 west and 8 east conference that would include Army.

I personally think its key to get all three academies which has national appeal and then BYU which also does too.

I now SDSU wanted to be a part of our conference but I think that chance passed when we added the final 3 eastern teams.

Doesn't matter wether it's CSU,BYU or SDSU they will all need air travel. San Diego is a large city and if you are talking LDS then BYU would love that addition
San Diego is closer to Houston than UConn

Absolutely SDSU is closer for Houston but not for Tulane and Memphis.

I am not saying I dont like the idea of SDSU. They have a passionate basketball fanbase. I just think a combo of CSU, Air Force and BYU, along with a western addition of Army would bring the most money and be the least travel for all involved.

West:
BYU, CSU, Air Force, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Tulane and Memphis
East:
Uconn, Temple, Army, Navy, ECU, Cinci, USF and UCF.

The Center point of the entire coference is Memphis and Tulane. Travel to BYU is less than SDSU...not by much and I do get your point. I just tend to believe that The Academies are important from a national interest standpoint. I dont see Army joining without Air Force... at least that was what was implied the last time they were discussed... and then I dont see Air Force without CSU.

HERES why it WONT happen:

Who is both ACC and MWC tv partner? Yep, ESPN and CBS. They already have both conference for pennies on the dollar. They pay a combines $40 million for all 24 teams ($22 for AAC, $18 for MWC). They really have no incentive.

This is why I really thought the idea of a 16 team East/ West Conference made the most sense. By grabbing the best 16 teams form the former BE, CUSA and MWC, we could have lowered the amount of quality inventory that was available and drive up the cost for it. I honestly think that conference would have gotten closer to the $3-$4 million a year mark and because of the quality of Bball would have racked up some big NCAA credits.

For now, I just dont see an economic reason for ESPN to do anything with us. For the next 7 years, they have us cheap.

West
SDSU , BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, Tulsa,SMU,Hpuston,Navy
EAST
UConn,Temple,ECU,USF,UCF,UC,Memphis,Tulane

(10-26-2014 06:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 06:12 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:40 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Actually the most likely school that might leave the MWC for the AAC if BYU joined would be SDSU. Remember they wanted to stay in the AAC but after money didn't pan out and having yo keep their Olympic sports in the BW it didn't make sense.
Now you add BYU and increase TV money and give them all sports access and hey might be interested.

But economically speaking for us, it doesnt make sense. SDSU is WAY the hell over there. If you look at adding Colorado St., Air Force, and BYU the travel is quite a bit less and it sets up a balances 8 west and 8 east conference that would include Army.

I personally think its key to get all three academies which has national appeal and then BYU which also does too.

I now SDSU wanted to be a part of our conference but I think that chance passed when we added the final 3 eastern teams.

Doesn't matter wether it's CSU,BYU or SDSU they will all need air travel. San Diego is a large city and if you are talking LDS then BYU would love that addition
San Diego is closer to Houston than UConn

Absolutely SDSU is closer for Houston but not for Tulane and Memphis.

I am not saying I dont like the idea of SDSU. They have a passionate basketball fanbase. I just think a combo of CSU, Air Force and BYU, along with a western addition of Army would bring the most money and be the least travel for all involved.

West:
BYU, CSU, Air Force, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Tulane and Memphis
East:
Uconn, Temple, Army, Navy, ECU, Cinci, USF and UCF.

The Center point of the entire coference is Memphis and Tulane. Travel to BYU is less than SDSU...not by much and I do get your point. I just tend to believe that The Academies are important from a national interest standpoint. I dont see Army joining without Air Force... at least that was what was implied the last time they were discussed... and then I dont see Air Force without CSU.

HERES why it WONT happen:

Who is both ACC and MWC tv partner? Yep, ESPN and CBS. They already have both conference for pennies on the dollar. They pay a combines $40 million for all 24 teams ($22 for AAC, $18 for MWC). They really have no incentive.

This is why I really thought the idea of a 16 team East/ West Conference made the most sense. By grabbing the best 16 teams form the former BE, CUSA and MWC, we could have lowered the amount of quality inventory that was available and drive up the cost for it. I honestly think that conference would have gotten closer to the $3-$4 million a year mark and because of the quality of Bball would have racked up some big NCAA credits.

For now, I just dont see an economic reason for ESPN to do anything with us. For the next 7 years, they have us cheap.

West
SDSU , BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, Tulsa,SMU,Hpuston,Navy
EAST
UConn,Temple,ECU,USF,UCF,UC,Memphis,Tulane

Replace Air Force with Fresno and I'm game.

I'm a fan of the BYU FB-Only, Colorado State combo.

I like CSU's budget and academics. Nice population state to add to the AAC. Colorado is not a strong football brand to be up against in that state either.

Colorado State is evaluating options for a new football stadium. It looks like some major improvements are going to be made if they don't have enough cash for a new stadium. You should look at some of the renderings in this document though.

http://www.colostate.edu/stadium/summary...ns-csu.pdf

Please stop talking about Army they can not compete with most all of the current AAC teams. Air Force is married to the MWC forever.
Understand the Big 12 will expand at some point and take 2 or 4 of the following BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, USF, UCONN. There selection will be based on TV markets, recruiting states like Florida, Ohio, east coast markets, football program strength.
After the Big 12 expansion is over then you can talk about who to add to the AAC.

(10-26-2014 07:21 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'm a fan of the BYU FB-Only, Colorado State combo.

I like CSU's budget and academics. Nice population state to add to the AAC. Colorado is not a strong football brand to be up against in that state either.

Colorado State is evaluating options for a new football stadium. It looks like some major improvements are going to be made if they don't have enough cash for a new stadium. You should look at some of the renderings in this document though.

http://www.colostate.edu/stadium/summary...ns-csu.pdf

Deal for an ocs for csu is essentially dead. They have a major uphill battle to get one funded.

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(10-26-2014 06:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  West
SDSU , BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, Tulsa,SMU,Hpuston,Navy
EAST
UConn,Temple,ECU,USF,UCF,UC,Memphis,Tulane

I don't think that Navy as a football only would take this. That is a freaking TON of travel for them.

(10-26-2014 07:56 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Please stop talking about Army they can not compete with most all of the current AAC teams. Air Force is married to the MWC forever.
Understand the Big 12 will expand at some point and take 2 or 4 of the following BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, USF, UCONN. There selection will be based on TV markets, recruiting states like Florida, Ohio, east coast markets, football program strength.
After the Big 12 expansion is over then you can talk about who to add to the AAC.

There are multiple things happening right now that may kill that. The Big 12...with the AAC helping, has applied to have a championship game without going to 12. It has passed several hoops and could pass. If that happens, expansion may not happen or at a minimum may be delayed.

This is why those in the AAC need to operate as if this is our lifeboat and begin to make it the best we can.

Army sucks at football AND i DONT care one bit :)
Adding Army is all about national interest. People watch the games and all over seas military can watch them. If they add value, then I dont care if they are a winner.

and I wouldn't bet about Air Force. You have to remember that they were approached when we looked at western expansion and there was interest but it was predicated on getting all three Academies in the same conference.

Id take just Air Force and Army if they would both go. Air force would round out basketball at 12, since Army and Navy have both said they would only be football only.

(10-26-2014 08:33 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 06:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  West
SDSU , BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, Tulsa,SMU,Hpuston,Navy
EAST
UConn,Temple,ECU,USF,UCF,UC,Memphis,Tulane

I don't think that Navy as a football only would take this. That is a freaking TON of travel for them.

Be even more travel if it was for all sports.
Navy plays a national schedule and already makes trips to the west coast on annual/semi basis

Over the last five years games played outside MD multiple times
NC 4
Penn 4
California 2 *4 including bowls SDSU
Colorado 3 Air Force/Colorado St (BYU Utah)
Indiana 3
Texas 2* 3 including bowls SMU/Houston/(Tulsa Ok)
Alabama 2
New Jersey 2
Kentucky 2

Navy would do just fine with travel in this theoretical conference. They agreed to play 1/2 those teams when joining the american and the other 1/2 Navy makes regular trips to those states.

Navy is a football only member so it would only be 4 travel games to west they already will play SMU Houston and Tulsa , play AF yearly already and were ok with being west with SDSU and Boise in the past so don't see why you would think they wouldn't be ok with that west set up

(10-26-2014 08:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This is why those in the AAC need to operate as if this is our lifeboat and begin to make it the best we can.

Army sucks at football AND i DONT care one bit :)
Adding Army is all about national interest. People watch the games and all over seas military can watch them. If they add value, then I dont care if they are a winner.

and I wouldn't bet about Air Force. You have to remember that they were approached when we looked at western expansion and there was interest but it was predicated on getting all three Academies in the same conference.

Id take just Air Force and Army if they would both go. Air force would round out basketball at 12, since Army and Navy have both said they would only be football only.

Excellent points with which I totally agree.

(10-26-2014 08:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Army sucks at football AND i DONT care one bit :)
Adding Army is all about national interest. People watch the games and all over seas military can watch them. If they add value, then I dont care if they are a winner.

Army is the perfect candidate. They bring national interest and eyeballs without being competitive. Army is an easy win for the conference championship contenders - pads the stats and helps the TV deal.

Just protect your knees when playing defense!

(10-26-2014 08:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  and I wouldn't bet about Air Force. You have to remember that they were approached when we looked at western expansion and there was interest but it was predicated on getting all three Academies in the same conference.

Air Force has a pretty nice set up for Olympic sports with 3 nearby conference road games: Colorado St. (2 hours), Wyoming (3 hours), and New Mexico (5 hours).

It's 8 hours from Colorado Springs to Provo and 11 hours to Dallas. (You would think that travel wouldn't be much of an issue, their the AIR Force afterall...but it has been cited as THE issue).

Unless the MWC kept Air Force as an Olympic sports only member, which isn't an easy option, Air Force would likely need at least one and probably two of its neighbors to come with as full sports members before they would make a jump.

(10-26-2014 08:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 07:56 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Please stop talking about Army they can not compete with most all of the current AAC teams. Air Force is married to the MWC forever.
Understand the Big 12 will expand at some point and take 2 or 4 of the following BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, USF, UCONN. There selection will be based on TV markets, recruiting states like Florida, Ohio, east coast markets, football program strength.
After the Big 12 expansion is over then you can talk about who to add to the AAC.

There are multiple things happening right now that may kill that. The Big 12...with the AAC helping, has applied to have a championship game without going to 12. It has passed several hoops and could pass. If that happens, expansion may not happen or at a minimum may be delayed.

This is why those in the AAC need to operate as if this is our lifeboat and begin to make it the best we can.

Army sucks at football AND i DONT care one bit :)
Adding Army is all about national interest. People watch the games and all over seas military can watch them. If they add value, then I dont care if they are a winner.

and I wouldn't bet about Air Force. You have to remember that they were approached when we looked at western expansion and there was interest but it was predicated on getting all three Academies in the same conference.

Id take just Air Force and Army if they would both go. Air force would round out basketball at 12, since Army and Navy have both said they would only be football only.

Are you sure its a CG with less than 12? Why would the AAC be supporting that? I believe you are thinking of the deregulated CG which would allow teams to schedule anyway they want rather than the currently required division play and determine their top two teams for the CG however they choose. I know that the ACC supported this as it would allow teams to play more regularly vs division play. This regulation is separate from the Big12's request to host a CG with less than 12 members. That request was made and denied a year or two ago. I believe the AAC supported it as well bc Navy was not slated to join until 2015. This new request in the Big12 asking again.

(10-27-2014 12:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  Unless the MWC kept Air Force as an Olympic sports only member, which isn't an easy option, Air Force would likely need at least one and probably two of its neighbors to come with as full sports members before they would make a jump.

Agreed that the Mtn. would not keep AFA as a non-football member. It's all or nothing.

I could see -- barely -- the AAC agreeing to bring in Colorado State as the price for getting Air Force, *IF* BYU came along as part of the package. And if all three of those are on the table, then I think you'd see SDSU brought into the picture, as well. But BYU is the linchpin. None of this happens without them, IMHO.

(10-27-2014 02:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 12:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  Unless the MWC kept Air Force as an Olympic sports only member, which isn't an easy option, Air Force would likely need at least one and probably two of its neighbors to come with as full sports members before they would make a jump.

Agreed that the Mtn. would not keep AFA as a non-football member. It's all or nothing.

I could see -- barely -- the AAC agreeing to bring in Colorado State as the price for getting Air Force, *IF* BYU came along as part of the package. And if all three of those are on the table, then I think you'd see SDSU brought into the picture, as well. But BYU is the linchpin. None of this happens without them, IMHO.

Having AFA would bring the AFA-Navy game in-house and the AFA-Army game in the American's control every other year. That's worth something. The AFA-Army game will be broadcast on CBS this weekend (THE CBS, not CBS sports). At that point, don't you just go for Army too? It would be a brilliant branding move to bring the Commander-in-Chief trophy to the American conference, even if the Army-Navy game broadcast rights remained out of the American's control...

Is SDSU the odd man out? Or, do you add SDSU and UNLV to take the best available western markets (along with Denver and Salt Lake)? Is 18 teams too many mouths to feed, even with the 4.5 million TV households in the new markets of Denver, San Diego, Salt Lake, and Las Vegas (does Army REALLY help you in the 7.5 million tv households in the New York market?) - and the more national reaches of Army, Air Force, Navy, and BYU?

BYU, CSU, AFA, UNLV, and SDSU have some good history. Four or five teams in the Mountain and Pacific time zones would give the American TV partners the opportunity to have a decent game to select in the Saturday 7 Pacific/10 Eastern TV timeslot each week. In fact, you would have enough decent inventory for Thursday and Friday night games, as well as Saturday matchups in each of the timeslots, from noon to 10pm Eastern. Would that lineup and game inventory be enough to increase the per-team payout for the American? And still provide plenty of exposure?

(10-26-2014 05:05 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 pods....eastern/central/western

East - ucf, usf, ecu, uconn, temple, navy
Central - cincy, tulane, tulsa, houston, smu, Memphis
West - BYU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, Colorado State


You would think this would have some value to a network with 3 timezones watching the games. Possible network options with that many teams.

Maybe we could call it Red, White and Blue? No.