Does anybody know the specifics on third tier rights in the AAC?

The reason I ask is Ive thought long and hard about how USF and UCF can leverage this huge damn markets were sitting on.

We hate each other... seriously hate but why not come together to make a regional channel, similar to the regional networks that the PAC12 have done.

If we have control of the third tier rights at all, I would think there would be a market for our stuff. I know Id love to see USFs soccer teams play and there are always basketball games that don't get picked up. USF baseball is getting stronger and will be a force in coming years... UCF also brings a lot to the table also and between the 3.2 million in our markets, it would seem that something local could be done.

I know the PAC 12 gets around .30 carriage for the local channels... that works to about $960K a month or $11.5 million a year. Even after the network partners takes their cut, I wouldn't doubt we could walk away with a few million a piece.

espn has technchnically 100% and we sublicense through espn to sell packages to cbssports

We got screwed out of our of our tier 3 rights. That part of the TV deal is really bad. I'd take 1 million a year per school if we could have only retained our own tier 3 rights.

Our 3rd Tier stuff ends up on ESPN3.

I know back in the day, Brighthouse Sports was trying to get all the 3rd Tier stuff for UCF and USF. UCF used to have a couple games on there while we were in CUSA. Not sure if that's true anymore.

UCF/USF game needs to matter. Both teams need to become relevant on the national stage.

UConn is getting screwed more than any other school on this. No one else invests the same amount of money into women's sports, and yet we don't make a dime from the women on TV. UConn women used to outdraw the Syracuse men on New York City TV. In fact, head-to-head, SNY would bump the Cuse men for the UConn women.

Heck, more people watched the UConn women's championship game in New York city than watched the Kentucky men's championship game in Louisville, which was the highest rated market in the country.

(10-24-2014 03:08 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  We got screwed out of our of our tier 3 rights. That part of the TV deal is really bad. I'd take 1 million a year per school if we could have only retained our own tier 3 rights.

This. Royally screwed.

Third tier can be somewhat irrelevant because the good thing about the package ESPN had to match was the guarantee of a certain amount of games on a national broadcast (of which ESPN3 doesnt count). So many of the games that would be on ESPN3 (like the ACC) are actually televised on ESPN News, or the U.

ECU may have all of its games on a network and therefore none on ESPN3 this season. If that's the case, then ECU couldnt have gotten any better coverage if it had some third tier rights.

When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Would love to be able to watch UCF Soccer and Baseball.

(10-25-2014 09:14 AM)KnightMan Wrote:  Would love to be able to watch UCF Soccer and Baseball.

I would think that is the type of stuff that will could be on ESPN3. But would anyone actually broadcast it...doubtful.

(10-25-2014 01:57 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:14 AM)KnightMan Wrote:  Would love to be able to watch UCF Soccer and Baseball.

I would think that is the type of stuff that will could be on ESPN3. But would anyone actually broadcast it...doubtful.

ESPN3 is a national channel. I am talking about a local network. Essentially something that is only broadcast within the combined DMA...Orlando and Tampa.
National channels demand a carriage cost of .80 cents (Pac12) to $1.10 (Big 10) network... whereas a local network usually costs less than half that. The Pac12 is getting about .30 per household.

I think demand would be higher since USF and UCF combined have about 110,000 students within 89 miles of each other. So think about the alumni base that would also be there.
Add in that we could fill with local High School football or other events, and I bet the demand would be there.

(10-25-2014 08:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

(10-26-2014 03:12 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 08:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 03:12 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 08:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

All I'm saying is that ESPN already owns the rights, so they won't release them. How can you bargain with them? By threatening to take your package to Fox?

(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 03:12 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 08:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

I don't believe there is a formal look-in. Aresco has said several times that we may have further talks, but there is nothing in the current contract to have a formal adjustment. Any further talks, according to him, might result in a revised contract that kicks up the money, but only if more years are added.

And as of now, our 3rd tier rights are part of the deal.

Not having Baseball on TV is really the only thing I have a problem with in the TV contract. UH was on TV at least 8-10 times a year when we were in C-usa usually on Fox network.

(10-27-2014 02:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 03:12 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 08:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

I don't believe there is a formal look-in. Aresco has said several times that we may have further talks, but there is nothing in the current contract to have a formal adjustment. Any further talks, according to him, might result in a revised contract that kicks up the money, but only if more years are added.

And as of now, our 3rd tier rights are part of the deal.

ESPN will Never Ever give us back 3rd tier rights. Don't you fellow ex-cusa members remember the ESPN law suit a few years back??? ESPN gives up NOTHING. This is a 6 year deal, ignore all the Aresco speak about the look in because if you heard some of the contract details, you would know there's nothing to it really. Would someone smarter than me explain why the "look in" does nothing for the AAC?

Hopefully Commissioner Aresco can get more money for third tier rights during the next negotiations.

The AAC can definitely make money off of the Uconn name. It's a start that the AAC took Uconn's women's baseketball tv revenue. But now let's hope the AAC gets paid more for it. Also, the UConn men have a really good national basketball schedule with a lot of marquee games. The AAC should get more value from that.

I always wondered why the AAC hasn't done what the Big Ten does (to a good extent) and share ticket revenue. Schools like Uconn that draw well in men's and women's basketball, football, soccer (2nd in the nation in attendance), and even hockey now. Also memphis basketball ticket revenue, ECU football ticket revenue. I know I read somewhere that the value of the tickets sold (ticket cost plus "donation cost" at Uconn [for football and bb] and Memphis [bb] and ECU [fb] is exponentially higher than the bottom schools.

The AAC should aggregate this revenue and distribute it equitably among the conference members. That would help out some of the less valuable programs and give them a nice boost.

(10-27-2014 05:10 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Hopefully Commissioner Aresco can get more money for third tier rights during the next negotiations.

The AAC can definitely make money off of the Uconn name. It's a start that the AAC took Uconn's women's baseketball tv revenue. But now let's hope the AAC gets paid more for it. Also, the UConn men have a really good national basketball schedule with a lot of marquee games. The AAC should get more value from that.

I always wondered why the AAC hasn't done what the Big Ten does (to a good extent) and share ticket revenue. Schools like Uconn that draw well in men's and women's basketball, football, soccer (2nd in the nation in attendance), and even hockey now. Also memphis basketball ticket revenue, ECU football ticket revenue. I know I read somewhere that the value of the tickets sold (ticket cost plus "donation cost" at Uconn [for football and bb] and Memphis [bb] and ECU [fb] is exponentially higher than the bottom schools.

The AAC should aggregate this revenue and distribute it equitably among the conference members. That would help out some of the less valuable programs and give them a nice boost.

Well gosh...Sign us up right away!!!

(10-27-2014 05:14 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 05:10 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Hopefully Commissioner Aresco can get more money for third tier rights during the next negotiations.

The AAC can definitely make money off of the Uconn name. It's a start that the AAC took Uconn's women's baseketball tv revenue. But now let's hope the AAC gets paid more for it. Also, the UConn men have a really good national basketball schedule with a lot of marquee games. The AAC should get more value from that.

I always wondered why the AAC hasn't done what the Big Ten does (to a good extent) and share ticket revenue. Schools like Uconn that draw well in men's and women's basketball, football, soccer (2nd in the nation in attendance), and even hockey now. Also memphis basketball ticket revenue, ECU football ticket revenue. I know I read somewhere that the value of the tickets sold (ticket cost plus "donation cost" at Uconn [for football and bb] and Memphis [bb] and ECU [fb] is exponentially higher than the bottom schools.

The AAC should aggregate this revenue and distribute it equitably among the conference members. That would help out some of the less valuable programs and give them a nice boost.

Well gosh...Sign us up right away!!!

Why would we give away our ticket sales? We are already subsidizing the league through NCAA credits and our T3 TV rights.