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(10-27-2014 05:10 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Hopefully Commissioner Aresco can get more money for third tier rights during the next negotiations.

The AAC can definitely make money off of the Uconn name. It's a start that the AAC took Uconn's women's baseketball tv revenue. But now let's hope the AAC gets paid more for it. Also, the UConn men have a really good national basketball schedule with a lot of marquee games. The AAC should get more value from that.

I always wondered why the AAC hasn't done what the Big Ten does (to a good extent) and share ticket revenue. Schools like Uconn that draw well in men's and women's basketball, football, soccer (2nd in the nation in attendance), and even hockey now. Also memphis basketball ticket revenue, ECU football ticket revenue. I know I read somewhere that the value of the tickets sold (ticket cost plus "donation cost" at Uconn [for football and bb] and Memphis [bb] and ECU [fb] is exponentially higher than the bottom schools.

The AAC should aggregate this revenue and distribute it equitably among the conference members. That would help out some of the less valuable programs and give them a nice boost.

hahaha...that's a good one
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(10-27-2014 05:10 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Hopefully Commissioner Aresco can get more money for third tier rights during the next negotiations.

The AAC can definitely make money off of the Uconn name. It's a start that the AAC took Uconn's women's baseketball tv revenue. But now let's hope the AAC gets paid more for it. Also, the UConn men have a really good national basketball schedule with a lot of marquee games. The AAC should get more value from that.

I always wondered why the AAC hasn't done what the Big Ten does (to a good extent) and share ticket revenue. Schools like Uconn that draw well in men's and women's basketball, football, soccer (2nd in the nation in attendance), and even hockey now. Also memphis basketball ticket revenue, ECU football ticket revenue. I know I read somewhere that the value of the tickets sold (ticket cost plus "donation cost" at Uconn [for football and bb] and Memphis [bb] and ECU [fb] is exponentially higher than the bottom schools.

The AAC should aggregate this revenue and distribute it equitably among the conference members. That would help out some of the less valuable programs and give them a nice boost.

Good luck with that. I cant see schools with strong attendance giving away that money.

My preference would be to just hold back the 3rd tier rights in the non-revenue sports next time around. I'd like to see that stuff moved over to the AAC digital network. During the negotiations, if ESPN wants to buy the rights to a specific group of 3rd tier rights, then we can deal with ESPN or ESPN-3 on a case by case basis on those items. But I don't want to lose all that stuff and get nothing for it. UConn is getting screwed pretty bad and we cant let that happen again. There are products there that have some value----UConn womens basketball---I also suspect the baseball might have some takers as well (maybe the American Sports Network?).

Everything we cant sell to ESPN in the main negotiations, we keep. I'd like to see the individual schools get the ability to try to monetize it locally---if that fails then the rights would automatically revert to the AAC Digital Network. I'd move that 25% of all 3rd tier rights that ARE sold by the schools or conference would go to the AAC Digital Network so that its broadcast schedule can be expanded. That way we get more coverage of sports like baseball, volleyball, softball, women's basketball, field hockey, and soccer. Create an app for Google, Apple TV, X-Box, and Roku so access to the network is simple.

Maybe down the road this basket of rights will eventually form the basis of a AAC Network that can be sold to cable.
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(10-27-2014 05:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-27-2014 05:10 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Hopefully Commissioner Aresco can get more money for third tier rights during the next negotiations.

The AAC can definitely make money off of the Uconn name. It's a start that the AAC took Uconn's women's baseketball tv revenue. But now let's hope the AAC gets paid more for it. Also, the UConn men have a really good national basketball schedule with a lot of marquee games. The AAC should get more value from that.

I always wondered why the AAC hasn't done what the Big Ten does (to a good extent) and share ticket revenue. Schools like Uconn that draw well in men's and women's basketball, football, soccer (2nd in the nation in attendance), and even hockey now. Also memphis basketball ticket revenue, ECU football ticket revenue. I know I read somewhere that the value of the tickets sold (ticket cost plus "donation cost" at Uconn [for football and bb] and Memphis [bb] and ECU [fb] is exponentially higher than the bottom schools.

The AAC should aggregate this revenue and distribute it equitably among the conference members. That would help out some of the less valuable programs and give them a nice boost.

Good luck with that. I cant see schools with strong attendance giving away that money.

My preference would be to just hold back the 3rd tier rights in the non-revenue sports next time around. I'd like to see that stuff moved over to the AAC digital network. During the negotiations, if ESPN wants to buy the rights to a specific group of 3rd tier rights, then we can deal with ESPN or ESPN-3 on a case by case basis on those items. But I don't want to lose all that stuff and get nothing for it. UConn is getting screwed pretty bad and we cant let that happen again. There are products there that have some value----UConn womens basketball---I also suspect the baseball might have some takers as well (maybe the American Sports Network?).

Everything we cant sell to ESPN in the main negotiations, we keep. I'd like to see the individual schools get the ability to try to monetize it locally---if that fails then the rights would automatically revert to the AAC Digital Network. I'd move that 25% of all 3rd tier rights that ARE sold by the schools or conference would go to the AAC Digital Network so that its broadcast schedule can be expanded. That way we get more coverage of sports like baseball, volleyball, softball, women's basketball, field hockey, and soccer. Create an app for Google, Apple TV, X-Box, and Roku so access to the network is simple.

Maybe down the road this basket of rights will eventually form the basis of a AAC Network that can be sold to cable.

agreed. I can't believe UCONN allowed for this contract to signed with the way above average $ they make off their Olympic sports?
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(10-24-2014 03:08 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  We got screwed out of our of our tier 3 rights. That part of the TV deal is really bad. I'd take 1 million a year per school if we could have only retained our own tier 3 rights.

I bet the MAC would cut you that kind of deal. When umass leaves, they will need a team


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(10-27-2014 04:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
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(10-25-2014 08:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  When we have our open forum with the AD (Harlan) I am hoping we can suggest that during the look in period we ask for the release of the third tier rights. There simply isnt enough interest for a full blown AAC network but we all could go out and make some cash with the local rights.

Especially the schools that are geographically close and could team up. SMU and Houston I gurantee could do something, Cinci and Memphis may be too far apart, but depending on who the carrier is it could be possible, ECU has a local rabid fanbase so I can see something going down there. Temple and Uconn are less than 200 miles apart... not certain if that would work.

It just seems to me that there is potential to do more. Even if we all made just a Half million more per year, it increases exposure.

I think USF/UCF and SMU/Houston could also take advantage of the local talent. We can put High School games on our local channel and help draw in recruiting. We just need to get them released.

Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

I don't believe there is a formal look-in. Aresco has said several times that we may have further talks, but there is nothing in the current contract to have a formal adjustment. Any further talks, according to him, might result in a revised contract that kicks up the money, but only if more years are added.

And as of now, our 3rd tier rights are part of the deal.

ESPN will Never Ever give us back 3rd tier rights. Don't you fellow ex-cusa members remember the ESPN law suit a few years back??? ESPN gives up NOTHING. This is a 6 year deal, ignore all the Aresco speak about the look in because if you heard some of the contract details, you would know there's nothing to it really. Would someone smarter than me explain why the "look in" does nothing for the AAC?

Isn't that what I said, only more politely? There is no look-in, our contract money won't change unless we add more years (and then maybe not), and ESPN currently holds 3rd tier rights (which likely won't change).
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Let me throw this out there.... anybody wonder why ESPN structured the AAC deal, MWC deal and BYU deal to all end on the 2019/2020 season?

I tend to believe there is a look in, since he has mentioned renegotiations. Does it mean ESPN is required to increase...no. Even if there isnt, I do wonder what will happen in 2019. We have five years until our new negotiation will start.

NBCs sports network is struggling for content and Fox Sports 1 is nearly barren. I dont think ESPN gets us a second time for cheap.
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(10-27-2014 07:14 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Let me throw this out there.... anybody wonder why ESPN structured the AAC deal, MWC deal and BYU deal to all end on the 2019/2020 season?

I tend to believe there is a look in, since he has mentioned renegotiations. Does it mean ESPN is required to increase...no. Even if there isnt, I do wonder what will happen in 2019. We have five years until our new negotiation will start.

NBCs sports network is struggling for content and Fox Sports 1 is nearly barren. I dont think ESPN gets us a second time for cheap.

There is no look-in. Period. What Aresco has addressed is exactly what I posted earlier.

The contract expires at the end of the 2019 football season, IIRC, b/c it started with the 2013-14 basketball season, and goes 6 years from inception.
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(10-27-2014 06:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-27-2014 04:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-27-2014 02:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(10-26-2014 03:12 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

I don't believe there is a formal look-in. Aresco has said several times that we may have further talks, but there is nothing in the current contract to have a formal adjustment. Any further talks, according to him, might result in a revised contract that kicks up the money, but only if more years are added.

And as of now, our 3rd tier rights are part of the deal.

ESPN will Never Ever give us back 3rd tier rights. Don't you fellow ex-cusa members remember the ESPN law suit a few years back??? ESPN gives up NOTHING. This is a 6 year deal, ignore all the Aresco speak about the look in because if you heard some of the contract details, you would know there's nothing to it really. Would someone smarter than me explain why the "look in" does nothing for the AAC?

Isn't that what I said, only more politely? There is no look-in, our contract money won't change unless we add more years (and then maybe not), and ESPN currently holds 3rd tier rights (which likely won't change).

Yeah---I tend to agree. I think we can get a bit more money by adding years---but Im not sure if the small amount would be worth it. The MAC went from 1.4 million a year to 10 million a year by adding 10 years to the deal. Hard to tell, but it looks like the MAC restructured the final 3 years of its current deal to get a little more (maybe 4-6 million for the final 3 years), then the 10 extension years will pay 10 million a year.

So, if we were only getting similar dollar bump (10 million extra a year), Im not sure adding 10 years to our deal is worth it. If we could get a similar percentage bump---we would jump on that in a minute as it is about a 700% increase. Given our significantly higher starting point, I don't think we can expect a percentage increase anywhere near that. A double wouldn't be worth signing for 10 years. A triple might be getting close. A quadrupling of our current pay out would probably be enough to get the league to sign a 10 year extension.


EDIT---btw--TripleA is correct. There is no official "look in". Though, from what I gather---Aresco is talking to ESPN all the time. An article on the MAC renegotiation indicated that MAC commissioner Jon Stienbrecher literally hacked away at a renegotiation with ESPN for years before it finally bore fruit. Apparently he started working really hard on it in 2012 and it didnt happen until 2014.


Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher cited changes in the college landscape as well as securing long-term stability for the MAC as two motivating factors in pushing to get the deal down now:


...we were in that time period where a lot of conferences were blowing up; a lot of movement. ESPN was reworking deals with a number of leagues. And so they had to get through those things, and so in the past year we've been really intensive on this. Again, this has probably been the biggest project on my desk. This was important for us, it was important for, I think, the long-term health, particularly in terms of exposure, for this conference.

How long has this deal been in the works?

Several years is the short answer. The medium answer is that, according to Steinbrecher, the MAC approached ESPN after Ohio's run to the Sweet 16 in 2012 about renegotiating their TV Contract then (just three years into the deal). The MAC's deal wasn't very good, financially, for the MAC, so it should come as no surprise that the MAC took every opportunity it could to renegotiate and improve its bargaining chips.

Burke Magnus, ESPN's senior VP of programing and acquisitions, made a joke about how persistent Steinbrecher was about renegotiating the deal during the press conference today, saying:


Jon had a way of coming to visit immediately after one of his teams did really well competitively. I would always see him in Bristol, walking around the campus. He was always there.

This deal didn't happen overnight.


http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/6045...pn-tv-deal
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(10-24-2014 03:13 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Our 3rd Tier stuff ends up on ESPN3.

I know back in the day, Brighthouse Sports was trying to get all the 3rd Tier stuff for UCF and USF. UCF used to have a couple games on there while we were in CUSA. Not sure if that's true anymore.

UCF/USF game needs to matter. Both teams need to become relevant on the national stage.

BHSN abandoned producing select UCF football and basketball games because acquiring the rights was too costly for them (and that was Fox/CBS Sports licensing). They operate on a shoestring budget, and the licensing fees wasn't cost effective for them. At least, that's what I was told from someone at UCF. Perhaps soccer, baseball, and softball games wouldn't cost as much to acquire, but I wouldn't hold my breath on them trying.
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(10-27-2014 06:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-27-2014 04:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-27-2014 02:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(10-26-2014 03:12 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  Why would ESPN release the rights of something they make a ton of money on?

Put it this way: SNY charges $2.60 on all Connecticut cable (it's a basic channel). Before SNY got the rights to UConn 3rd tier games, the monthly charge for SNY was $1.50 AND it was on a sports tier, not on Basic. So this extra money across a million+ TV homes is for showing UConn 3rd tier games. SNY used to pay UConn for the privilege. SNY pays ESPN for the rights to those games now.

Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

I don't believe there is a formal look-in. Aresco has said several times that we may have further talks, but there is nothing in the current contract to have a formal adjustment. Any further talks, according to him, might result in a revised contract that kicks up the money, but only if more years are added.

And as of now, our 3rd tier rights are part of the deal.

ESPN will Never Ever give us back 3rd tier rights. Don't you fellow ex-cusa members remember the ESPN law suit a few years back??? ESPN gives up NOTHING. This is a 6 year deal, ignore all the Aresco speak about the look in because if you heard some of the contract details, you would know there's nothing to it really. Would someone smarter than me explain why the "look in" does nothing for the AAC?

Isn't that what I said, only more politely? There is no look-in, our contract money won't change unless we add more years (and then maybe not), and ESPN currently holds 3rd tier rights (which likely won't change).

my bad. I'm not as polite as you I guess... Its frustrating when the same poster in this thread keeps coming up with ideas for our 3rd tier rights and the look in when we keep telling him over and over that his ideas are impossible due to the ESPN contract stipulations.
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(10-28-2014 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(10-26-2014 04:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Because we have a look in where we get to adjust our conference income. We have a SNY here in Florida but USF and UCF arent on it, becasue Miami and FSU are already on it... but that will be changing once the ACC network gets going.

I am just saying that this is a bargaining chip we can play. If we continue to perform at the level we have during the NCAA tourneys and win the majority of our bowl games, including the Access bowls then our value will be higher than the $1.6 million they are paying us this year.

I don't believe there is a formal look-in. Aresco has said several times that we may have further talks, but there is nothing in the current contract to have a formal adjustment. Any further talks, according to him, might result in a revised contract that kicks up the money, but only if more years are added.

And as of now, our 3rd tier rights are part of the deal.

ESPN will Never Ever give us back 3rd tier rights. Don't you fellow ex-cusa members remember the ESPN law suit a few years back??? ESPN gives up NOTHING. This is a 6 year deal, ignore all the Aresco speak about the look in because if you heard some of the contract details, you would know there's nothing to it really. Would someone smarter than me explain why the "look in" does nothing for the AAC?

Isn't that what I said, only more politely? There is no look-in, our contract money won't change unless we add more years (and then maybe not), and ESPN currently holds 3rd tier rights (which likely won't change).

my bad. I'm not as polite as you I guess... Its frustrating when the same poster in this thread keeps coming up with ideas for our 3rd tier rights and the look in when we keep telling him over and over that his ideas are impossible due to the ESPN contract stipulations.

The thing is BillyBob is that you dont know that. You have no proof at all. Your just repeating what others have said. As soon as you produce a copy of the contract or a direct quote from Aresco then well believe you but everyon on the internet wants to act like they know everything without posting proof.

Its not outside the realm of possibility for Aresco to negotiate the release of our third tier rights in the upcoming negotiation. They arent re-selling them and for the most part they arent being used.

The funny part is, most on here act like were under ESPNs contract... were not. Were under NBCs contract that ESPN matched. ESPN didnt have the right to rewrite the contract but only to match what was offered. I honestly dont believe that ESPN ever planned on using much of our third tier rights, whereas NBC has regional affiliates that they would have.

So before you go off like you know something, instead just prove something. You can repeatedly say "there isnt a look in"... instead just prove it.
What we can prove is Aresco has talked repeatedly about sitting down with ESPN and talking about how to increase value for ESPN so that they can increase the payout... I still tend to think that how they do that is to get ESPN to use the third tier rights more effectively and therefore be able to increase our payout.

A great example is here in Florida. SNY Florida (fox) shows third tier stuff of FSU, UF and Miami... but in a year when the ACC network starts to come online and once the SEC network gets running then they will no longer have that content. ESPN could sublicense that content to them, which would increase profit and ESPN could afford to increase our pay.
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^^ We had a long thread on here, back when we first got the contract, complete with articles on it, and quotes from Aresco. We thought at first there was a look-in, but there isn't. And ESPN has our third tier rights.

Look it up yourself. You're the only one here making such claims to the contrary. Everybody else disagrees with you, so you prove it.
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(10-29-2014 02:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ We had a long thread on here, back when we first got the contract, complete with articles on it, and quotes from Aresco. We thought at first there was a look-in, but there isn't. And ESPN has our third tier rights.

Look it up yourself. You're the only one here making such claims to the contrary. Everybody else disagrees with you, so you prove it.

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(10-29-2014 02:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ We had a long thread on here, back when we first got the contract, complete with articles on it, and quotes from Aresco. We thought at first there was a look-in, but there isn't. And ESPN has our third tier rights.

Look it up yourself. You're the only one here making such claims to the contrary. Everybody else disagrees with you, so you prove it.

I did a search and the only quotes do not directly mention if there is or if there is not a look in...but nice try.

You also failed to address the possibility of the third tier rights being excluded in the next round of negotiations since in fact ESPN did not write the current contract, isnt using the majority of them and very well by their inaction be showing us that they dont necessarily want them.
NBC wrote this contract and ESPN matched it. So I still hold true to the line of reasoning that since they arent actively using them, it very well could be negotiated out in the next contract.

Also, Aresco recently stated that he is trying to sit down with ESPN and increase value. One way to do that would be to sublicense the third tier. Its not a stretch at all and more directly to the point of the thread.
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Okay, argue with yourself, since you seem to know it all.
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