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RE: RollingStone: Why you should root for the Marshall Thundering Herd
(10-24-2014 03:25 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
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(10-24-2014 02:14 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:58 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  ECU was not very convincing yesterday...

a W is a W...

So you agree that Marshall is ahead of ECU since " a W is a W.."
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Beat me to it. If a W is a W, why do all the ECU posters come here to tell us why the ECU W is more valuable than the Marshall W?

I'm not an ECU poster...

But ECU plays better teams according to SOS
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RE: RollingStone: Why you should root for the Marshall Thundering Herd
(10-24-2014 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:25 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:22 PM)Goherd73 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 02:14 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:58 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  ECU was not very convincing yesterday...

a W is a W...

So you agree that Marshall is ahead of ECU since " a W is a W.."
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Beat me to it. If a W is a W, why do all the ECU posters come here to tell us why the ECU W is more valuable than the Marshall W?

I'm not an ECU poster...

But ECU plays better teams according to SOS


Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.
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(10-24-2014 03:40 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:25 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:22 PM)Goherd73 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 02:14 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  a W is a W...

So you agree that Marshall is ahead of ECU since " a W is a W.."
.

Beat me to it. If a W is a W, why do all the ECU posters come here to tell us why the ECU W is more valuable than the Marshall W?

I'm not an ECU poster...

But ECU plays better teams according to SOS


Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.

Again, still a long way to go...
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(10-24-2014 03:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:40 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:25 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:22 PM)Goherd73 Wrote:  So you agree that Marshall is ahead of ECU since " a W is a W.."
.

Beat me to it. If a W is a W, why do all the ECU posters come here to tell us why the ECU W is more valuable than the Marshall W?

I'm not an ECU poster...

But ECU plays better teams according to SOS


Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.

Again, still a long way to go...

Saying that also discredits your argument for Cincy and UCF making for a better SOS. For all we know both squads end up in the dumper. So are we discussing the now or future? If we are talking now then the argument I make holds up.
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(10-24-2014 03:47 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:40 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:25 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Beat me to it. If a W is a W, why do all the ECU posters come here to tell us why the ECU W is more valuable than the Marshall W?

I'm not an ECU poster...

But ECU plays better teams according to SOS


Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.

Again, still a long way to go...

Saying that also discredits your argument for Cincy and UCF making for a better SOS. For all we know both squads end up in the dumper. So are we discussing the now or future? If we are talking now then the argument I make holds up.

If you guys get to make guesses, so do it...
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(10-24-2014 03:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:47 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:40 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I'm not an ECU poster...

But ECU plays better teams according to SOS


Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.

Again, still a long way to go...

Saying that also discredits your argument for Cincy and UCF making for a better SOS. For all we know both squads end up in the dumper. So are we discussing the now or future? If we are talking now then the argument I make holds up.

If you guys get to make guesses, so do it...

Who is guessing? I am saying right now, today, neither team has a quality win. ECU hasn't beat a team with a winning record. Both teams have played some real scrubs and one of those teams stomps a hole in the scrub every time. There is no guessing there.
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RE: RollingStone: Why you should root for the Marshall Thundering Herd
(10-24-2014 03:52 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
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(10-24-2014 03:47 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
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(10-24-2014 03:40 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.

With all due respect, Marshall has a QUALITY WIN against MT. Remember except for losing to you, we have only lost to a one loss B10 Minnesota team and a Phenomenally improved (Yes I'm surprised too) Memphis! So quit selling yourself short.
Again, still a long way to go...

Saying that also discredits your argument for Cincy and UCF making for a better SOS. For all we know both squads end up in the dumper. So are we discussing the now or future? If we are talking now then the argument I make holds up.

If you guys get to make guesses, so do it...

Who is guessing? I am saying right now, today, neither team has a quality win. ECU hasn't beat a team with a winning record. Both teams have played some real scrubs and one of those teams stomps a hole in the scrub every time. There is no guessing there.
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With all due respect, Marshall has a QUALITY WIN against MT. Remember except for losing to you, we have only lost to a one loss B10 Minnesota team and a Phenomenally improved (Yes I'm surprised too) Memphis! So quit selling yourself short.
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(10-24-2014 03:52 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:47 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 03:40 PM)hoppy785 Wrote:  Again, every team they have beaten has a losing record. They have just simply played a better "Names on Schedule" schedule then other G5 teams. I can't name a quality win on Marshall or ECU's schedule. Both conferences are riddled with bad to mediocre teams. At least one school is blowing out the scrubs.

Again, still a long way to go...

Saying that also discredits your argument for Cincy and UCF making for a better SOS. For all we know both squads end up in the dumper. So are we discussing the now or future? If we are talking now then the argument I make holds up.

If you guys get to make guesses, so do it...

Who is guessing? I am saying right now, today, neither team has a quality win. ECU hasn't beat a team with a winning record. Both teams have played some real scrubs and one of those teams stomps a hole in the scrub every time. There is no guessing there.

and I'm saying ECUs SOS is simply better than Marshalls, and I don't see that changing with ECU playing @Cincy and UCF.

Playing P5 teams like Va Tech, South Carolina, and UNC matters...
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Quote:Playing P5 teams like Va Tech, South Carolina, and UNC matters...

Normally it would.. but when all three teams are struggling to make/stay at .500?

I don't care if you're in the PAC, the SEC, the NFL.. if you aren't a .500 team, you're NOT a good win in terms of SOS.
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(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

I have to disagree. Marshall has no control over how good or bad a team is on a given year. What they can control however, is how well they play each game and so far they have beaten each of their opponents by bunch. I agree with FIU's coach Ron Turner when he said on an interview that Marshall should be ranked much higher.
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Why does it matter if Marshall did or did not play or beat a P5 team? Should strength of schedule matter? Yes. It is a factor. Is it the only factor? No.

Is it strength of schedule that matters or is it whether there are P5 schools on the schedule or not? What if Marshall had played Boise, UCF and Colorado State? Great schools, not P5. Would we still be hearing this P5 crap?

Stop being sheep.
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(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.
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(10-24-2014 01:03 PM)MTowho Wrote:  That PR firm works quickly.

now, that was funny.
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(10-24-2014 06:56 PM)fedale Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.

Apparently I know more about scheduling than you and your AD. 05-ban While I know it can be difficult, it's certainly not impossible to schedule quality teams in the timeframe Marshall had left. I mean, Rhode Island? Come on. At least TRY!

By the way, this discussion has nothing to do with the quality of Marshall's football team, which I think is very good. To the contrary, poor scheduling by the administration could end up limiting the football team's "upside".

Regardless of the excuses, the quality of Marshall's schedule is going to remain the anchor around the Herd's neck throughout the 2014 season. Not saying they can't overcome it, but it's certainly going to make the climb to legitimacy more difficult.
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(10-24-2014 10:07 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 06:56 PM)fedale Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.

Apparently I know more about scheduling than you and your AD. 05-ban While I know it can be difficult, it's certainly not impossible to schedule quality teams in the timeframe Marshall had left. I mean, Rhode Island? Come on. At least TRY!

By the way, this discussion has nothing to do with the quality of Marshall's football team, which I think is very good. To the contrary, poor scheduling by the administration could end up limiting the football team's "upside".

Regardless of the excuses, the quality of Marshall's schedule is going to remain the anchor around the Herd's neck throughout the 2014 season. Not saying they can't overcome it, but it's certainly going to make the climb to legitimacy more difficult.

Rhode Island was not his first call, it was his last resort. He did try. Your argument is the same thing as saying ECU knew they were gonna be good so they should have made sure VT, UNC, and USC would be good, too. You can only control what you can control. There was no one with the P5 moniker magically available inside a year's notice that could meet our needs. That's all there is to the story. Anything else is wrong and stems from ignorance. You don't know so you're spewing some perfect world viewpoint that can't jibe with reality.
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(10-24-2014 10:40 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 10:07 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 06:56 PM)fedale Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.

Apparently I know more about scheduling than you and your AD. 05-ban While I know it can be difficult, it's certainly not impossible to schedule quality teams in the timeframe Marshall had left. I mean, Rhode Island? Come on. At least TRY!

By the way, this discussion has nothing to do with the quality of Marshall's football team, which I think is very good. To the contrary, poor scheduling by the administration could end up limiting the football team's "upside".

Regardless of the excuses, the quality of Marshall's schedule is going to remain the anchor around the Herd's neck throughout the 2014 season. Not saying they can't overcome it, but it's certainly going to make the climb to legitimacy more difficult.

Rhode Island was not his first call, it was his last resort. He did try. Your argument is the same thing as saying ECU knew they were gonna be good so they should have made sure VT, UNC, and USC would be good, too. You can only control what you can control. There was no one with the P5 moniker magically available inside a year's notice that could meet our needs. That's all there is to the story. Anything else is wrong and stems from ignorance. You don't know so you're spewing some perfect world viewpoint that can't jibe with reality.

No, I'm just telling you what the Achilles heel is for your football program in terms of garnering recognition, and that you're just gonna have to deal with it. You can beat Rhode Island 100-0, but nobody of importance in college football is going to care.
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(10-24-2014 10:07 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 06:56 PM)fedale Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.

Apparently I know more about scheduling than you and your AD. 05-ban While I know it can be difficult, it's certainly not impossible to schedule quality teams in the timeframe Marshall had left. I mean, Rhode Island? Come on. At least TRY!

By the way, this discussion has nothing to do with the quality of Marshall's football team, which I think is very good. To the contrary, poor scheduling by the administration could end up limiting the football team's "upside".

Regardless of the excuses, the quality of Marshall's schedule is going to remain the anchor around the Herd's neck throughout the 2014 season. Not saying they can't overcome it, but it's certainly going to make the climb to legitimacy more difficult.

The Miami game was scheduled in 2010, right after they won the MAC as a 10-2 team.

Ohio is the closest FBS school to Marshall.

Akron is a driveable road game that has invested a lot in its facilities. They are building there. Our only driveable conference game at the time was ECU (and UAB to an extent).

Louisville was a close opponent who was supposed to play in Huntington. They backed out last year. Marshall already had 6 road games scheduled so it had to be a home game to replace them. We don't have to play 5 home games and 7 road games. The only team that was available to come to Marshall with less than a year's notice was Rhode Island. They were literally it.

Marshall is a perfect example of the so-called "P5" exerting control over the so-called "G5" by manipulating the schedule.

I appreciate that the team has earned the respect of everyone who has watched them play this year. But this whole "blame the AD" thing is simply ignorant.
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(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"
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(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

You do realize we don't give a @&$?, right?
10-25-2014 09:26 AM
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