(10-24-2014 08:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  This is all about the divide between North Georgia and South Georgia. Georgia Southern has had to scratch and claw to grow and add graduate prograrams, gain university status, add football, and become a research university. The four designated research universities in the state are all above the fall line (columbus through macon to augusta) which reflects the power differential of Atlanta-metro vs the rest of the state. Our PBS network used to have the slogan "Serving Atlanta - and all of Georgia".

The crime here is that Atlanta is not representative of Georgia at all. Since Sherman burned it to the ground, it was rebuilt by Carpetbaggers as a Southeastern distribution hub where Yankee businesses could anchor in the South. Half of the Metro's 5 million people are from out-of-state.

Georgia Southern is a Carnegie Doctoral Research University, but our Board of Regents classify us as a Regional University alongside Valdosta State because Research Status would open the door to more funding and graduate programs which UGA and Tech won't allow.

In the spirit of how football became religion in the South, Ga Southern built it's program and rallied behind it to say, "We don't have money or fancy uniforms and buses, but we're gonna kick your ass anyway!"

Meanwhile, a commuter school in downtown Atlanta is allowed to fund football with 86% subsidy and cram 5,000 people in another state-funded facility at the Georgia World Congress Center. The school itself was created as a convenience to working people in Atlanta avoiding a 45 minute drive to Athens to work on their degree. In today's political environment, Ga State is an homage to Atlanta's city politics as they try to put lipstick on the dumpster-fire-pig that is a crime and poverty ridden downtown cesspool.

Students from the Atlanta suburbs started making Ga Southern their FIRST CHOICE over UGA over a decade ago because they visited the only real "college town" left in the state and loved it.

Ga State is a creation of the Board of Regents and the city of Atlanta as a convenience to it's growth. Ga Southern grew from a grassroots effort to establish an A&M school in rural Ga in 1906 and every step of growth has involved grassroots campaigning and jumping through Atlanta hoops.

I could write a book on the Reconstruction neglect of the South outside Atlanta, but suffice to say it wouldn't hurt my feelings if Sherman came back and struck a match.

You certainly are not endearing yourself to the Atlanta alumni. And if Atlanta disappeared, Georgia would be no better off than Mississippi.

enjoyed that article.

as a JMU fan, i remember very well how obnoxious FGSU fans were when they started football. they littered our board with their nonsense.

talk of the SEC, how JMU was not in their league....not just in football but in athletics... despite facts and data that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt how much more dominate we were over them in virtually every sport (I think they bettered us in men's golf).

so I hope RGSU kicks the crap out of FGSU tomorrow.

go Eagles ! Enjoy!

(10-24-2014 09:30 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 08:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  This is all about the divide between North Georgia and South Georgia. Georgia Southern has had to scratch and claw to grow and add graduate prograrams, gain university status, add football, and become a research university. The four designated research universities in the state are all above the fall line (columbus through macon to augusta) which reflects the power differential of Atlanta-metro vs the rest of the state. Our PBS network used to have the slogan "Serving Atlanta - and all of Georgia".

The crime here is that Atlanta is not representative of Georgia at all. Since Sherman burned it to the ground, it was rebuilt by Carpetbaggers as a Southeastern distribution hub where Yankee businesses could anchor in the South. Half of the Metro's 5 million people are from out-of-state.

Georgia Southern is a Carnegie Doctoral Research University, but our Board of Regents classify us as a Regional University alongside Valdosta State because Research Status would open the door to more funding and graduate programs which UGA and Tech won't allow.

In the spirit of how football became religion in the South, Ga Southern built it's program and rallied behind it to say, "We don't have money or fancy uniforms and buses, but we're gonna kick your ass anyway!"

Meanwhile, a commuter school in downtown Atlanta is allowed to fund football with 86% subsidy and cram 5,000 people in another state-funded facility at the Georgia World Congress Center. The school itself was created as a convenience to working people in Atlanta avoiding a 45 minute drive to Athens to work on their degree. In today's political environment, Ga State is an homage to Atlanta's city politics as they try to put lipstick on the dumpster-fire-pig that is a crime and poverty ridden downtown cesspool.

Students from the Atlanta suburbs started making Ga Southern their FIRST CHOICE over UGA over a decade ago because they visited the only real "college town" left in the state and loved it.

Ga State is a creation of the Board of Regents and the city of Atlanta as a convenience to it's growth. Ga Southern grew from a grassroots effort to establish an A&M school in rural Ga in 1906 and every step of growth has involved grassroots campaigning and jumping through Atlanta hoops.

I could write a book on the Reconstruction neglect of the South outside Atlanta, but suffice to say it wouldn't hurt my feelings if Sherman came back and struck a match.

You certainly are not endearing yourself to the Atlanta alumni. And if Atlanta disappeared, Georgia would be no better off than Mississippi.

Over the top for sure but there are trade offs in everything....Really if you are talking about the city limits of the ATL he is really not making many alumni mad. Most are from and live OTP.

(10-24-2014 08:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  This is all about the divide between North Georgia and South Georgia. Georgia Southern has had to scratch and claw to grow and add graduate prograrams, gain university status, add football, and become a research university. The four designated research universities in the state are all above the fall line (columbus through macon to augusta) which reflects the power differential of Atlanta-metro vs the rest of the state. Our PBS network used to have the slogan "Serving Atlanta - and all of Georgia".

The crime here is that Atlanta is not representative of Georgia at all. Since Sherman burned it to the ground, it was rebuilt by Carpetbaggers as a Southeastern distribution hub where Yankee businesses could anchor in the South. Half of the Metro's 5 million people are from out-of-state.

Georgia Southern is a Carnegie Doctoral Research University, but our Board of Regents classify us as a Regional University alongside Valdosta State because Research Status would open the door to more funding and graduate programs which UGA and Tech won't allow.
...
Meanwhile, a commuter school in downtown Atlanta is allowed to fund football with 86% subsidy and cram 5,000 people in another state-funded facility at the Georgia World Congress Center. The school itself was created as a convenience to working people in Atlanta avoiding a 45 minute drive to Athens to work on their degree. In today's political environment, Ga State is an homage to Atlanta's city politics as they try to put lipstick on the dumpster-fire-pig that is a crime and poverty ridden downtown cesspool.

Students from the Atlanta suburbs started making Ga Southern their FIRST CHOICE over UGA over a decade ago because they visited the only real "college town" left in the state and loved it.

This post is so full of dumbassery you may just have to be added to the ignore list.

- GaSo is not listed by Carnegie as a "Research Universities (very high research activity)" - which is the designation achieved by all of the BOR Research Universities.
- Our school was created to help people avoid going to Athens to work on their degree? Wow - that will be a surprise to those people over at Tech who think that our school was born as their "Evening School of Commerce".
- GaSo experienced an influx of students for the same reason West Georgia, North Georgia, GSU and Kennesaw did. When the HOPE scholarship came around, kids who would have otherwise gone out-of state opted to go to UGA. UGA became far more competitive, the rest of the schools got more students. Had nothing to do with your sad-arse "college town".

I sure hope that ignorance is bliss, because you are chock-full of it.

(10-24-2014 09:30 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 08:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  This is all about the divide between North Georgia and South Georgia. Georgia Southern has had to scratch and claw to grow and add graduate prograrams, gain university status, add football, and become a research university. The four designated research universities in the state are all above the fall line (columbus through macon to augusta) which reflects the power differential of Atlanta-metro vs the rest of the state. Our PBS network used to have the slogan "Serving Atlanta - and all of Georgia".

The crime here is that Atlanta is not representative of Georgia at all. Since Sherman burned it to the ground, it was rebuilt by Carpetbaggers as a Southeastern distribution hub where Yankee businesses could anchor in the South. Half of the Metro's 5 million people are from out-of-state.

Georgia Southern is a Carnegie Doctoral Research University, but our Board of Regents classify us as a Regional University alongside Valdosta State because Research Status would open the door to more funding and graduate programs which UGA and Tech won't allow.

In the spirit of how football became religion in the South, Ga Southern built it's program and rallied behind it to say, "We don't have money or fancy uniforms and buses, but we're gonna kick your ass anyway!"

Meanwhile, a commuter school in downtown Atlanta is allowed to fund football with 86% subsidy and cram 5,000 people in another state-funded facility at the Georgia World Congress Center. The school itself was created as a convenience to working people in Atlanta avoiding a 45 minute drive to Athens to work on their degree. In today's political environment, Ga State is an homage to Atlanta's city politics as they try to put lipstick on the dumpster-fire-pig that is a crime and poverty ridden downtown cesspool.

Students from the Atlanta suburbs started making Ga Southern their FIRST CHOICE over UGA over a decade ago because they visited the only real "college town" left in the state and loved it.

Ga State is a creation of the Board of Regents and the city of Atlanta as a convenience to it's growth. Ga Southern grew from a grassroots effort to establish an A&M school in rural Ga in 1906 and every step of growth has involved grassroots campaigning and jumping through Atlanta hoops.

I could write a book on the Reconstruction neglect of the South outside Atlanta, but suffice to say it wouldn't hurt my feelings if Sherman came back and struck a match.

You certainly are not endearing yourself to the Atlanta alumni. And if Atlanta disappeared, Georgia would be no better off than Ebola-stricken Liberia.

FIFY

(10-23-2014 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 10:51 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 10:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Wait, Georgia Southern and Georgia State play this week? I had no idea!!

Y'all should look into deactivating our accounts for this week next year.

If Georgia State wins, I may have to deactivate several accounts anyway.

Kudos. I laughed.

(10-24-2014 11:09 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  This post is so full of dumbassery you may just have to be added to the ignore list.

- GaSo is not listed by Carnegie as a "Research Universities (very high research activity)" - which is the designation achieved by all of the BOR Research Universities.
- Our school was created to help people avoid going to Athens to work on their degree? Wow - that will be a surprise to those people over at Tech who think that our school was born as their "Evening School of Commerce".
- GaSo experienced an influx of students for the same reason West Georgia, North Georgia, GSU and Kennesaw did. When the HOPE scholarship came around, kids who would have otherwise gone out-of state opted to go to UGA. UGA became far more competitive, the rest of the schools got more students. Had nothing to do with your sad-arse "college town".

I sure hope that ignorance is bliss, because you are chock-full of it.

I realize you went to State, but I wrote Doctoral Research which is our classification. The BOR would need to do the right thing to increase our research activity.

The Hope scholarship had a lot to with growth, but Southern was experiencing rapid growth before Hope was created.

The point is that Georgia State is (and always will be) primarily a commuter school for non-traditional students continuing their education. The "traditional" undergrads are rejects from Clark-Atlanta and Kennesaw State. Remember, Atlanta is the city where teachers fake test results to pass the mobs of students who can't read.

A lot of the suburbs are awesome, but the city itself is run and populated by corrupt, incompetent dumbasses whose only talent is spending other people's money.

(10-24-2014 11:09 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  GaSo experienced an influx of students for the same reason West Georgia, North Georgia, GSU and Kennesaw did. When the HOPE scholarship came around, kids who would have otherwise gone out-of state opted to go to UGA. UGA became far more competitive, the rest of the schools got more students. Had nothing to do with your sad-arse "college town".

I'd agree with last sentence, but not sure the rise in student enrollment is due solely to HOPE. Population growth in Coastal Empire has been nothing short of annoying over past couple decades, and I think that -- as much as anything else -- has led to enrollment boom. I do think HOPE is a factor. Just not THE factor, unless you blame the mass migration of a zillion Rust Belters down here on HOPE as well.

(10-24-2014 11:09 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 08:34 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  This is all about the divide between North Georgia and South Georgia. Georgia Southern has had to scratch and claw to grow and add graduate prograrams, gain university status, add football, and become a research university. The four designated research universities in the state are all above the fall line (columbus through macon to augusta) which reflects the power differential of Atlanta-metro vs the rest of the state. Our PBS network used to have the slogan "Serving Atlanta - and all of Georgia".

The crime here is that Atlanta is not representative of Georgia at all. Since Sherman burned it to the ground, it was rebuilt by Carpetbaggers as a Southeastern distribution hub where Yankee businesses could anchor in the South. Half of the Metro's 5 million people are from out-of-state.

Georgia Southern is a Carnegie Doctoral Research University, but our Board of Regents classify us as a Regional University alongside Valdosta State because Research Status would open the door to more funding and graduate programs which UGA and Tech won't allow.
...
Meanwhile, a commuter school in downtown Atlanta is allowed to fund football with 86% subsidy and cram 5,000 people in another state-funded facility at the Georgia World Congress Center. The school itself was created as a convenience to working people in Atlanta avoiding a 45 minute drive to Athens to work on their degree. In today's political environment, Ga State is an homage to Atlanta's city politics as they try to put lipstick on the dumpster-fire-pig that is a crime and poverty ridden downtown cesspool.

Students from the Atlanta suburbs started making Ga Southern their FIRST CHOICE over UGA over a decade ago because they visited the only real "college town" left in the state and loved it.

This post is so full of dumbassery you may just have to be added to the ignore list.

- GaSo is not listed by Carnegie as a "Research Universities (very high research activity)" - which is the designation achieved by all of the BOR Research Universities.
- Our school was created to help people avoid going to Athens to work on their degree? Wow - that will be a surprise to those people over at Tech who think that our school was born as their "Evening School of Commerce".
- GaSo experienced an influx of students for the same reason West Georgia, North Georgia, GSU and Kennesaw did. When the HOPE scholarship came around, kids who would have otherwise gone out-of state opted to go to UGA. UGA became far more competitive, the rest of the schools got more students. Had nothing to do with your sad-arse "college town".

I sure hope that ignorance is bliss, because you are chock-full of it.

About your reply: "That post reply is so full of dumbassery " is what I think of it.

Sounds to me like he was pretty much right on the money!

Our History

"Our History

When First District Agricultural & Mechanical School’s inaugural academic year began in 1908, few could have foreseen a major American university growing out of four faculty members and 15 students in just a little more than one lifetime.

Now in its second century of service, Georgia Southern boasts 20,000-plus students, 2,000 faculty and staff, and more than 100 programs of study at the bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral levels.

Founded as a school for teaching modern agricultural production techniques and homemaking skills to rural schoolchildren, then-First District A&M School began within two decades to shift its emphasis to meet the growing need for teachers within the state. Its name and mission were changed in 1924 to Georgia Normal School as a training ground for educators, though it continued to accept “preparatory” or high school students. Five years later in 1929, full-fledged senior college status was granted as South Georgia Teachers College.

Ensuing decades saw additional name and mission changes: to Georgia Teachers College in 1939 and Georgia Southern College in 1959. Continued program and physical expansion, including one seven-year stretch, [b]1984-91 in which enrollment doubled from just over 6,000 to more than 12,000 students, led to a final transformation in 1990 – to Georgia Southern University.


NOTE: We restarted Football in 1984/ Hope didn't start until 1993

Since then, the University has embarked on a massive upgrade of facilities, adding more than $250 million in new construction. At the same time, it has repurposed older buildings, primarily residence halls, to serve teaching and administrative needs.

Georgia Southern has become the largest and most comprehensive university in the southern half of Georgia, classified as a Doctoral/Research University by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching. Added emphasis on serving returning veterans has earned the University a “military-friendly” designation from Military Advanced Education.Kiplinger has named Georgia Southern a “Top 100 Best Value.” The average freshman SAT score of 1115 ranks above state and national averages. The University hosts students from 47 U.S. states and 89 nations and alumni reside in every U.S. state and 75 nations.

The new millennium has seen the formation of two new colleges: the the Allen E. Paulson College of Engineering and Information Technology and the Jiann-Ping Hsu College of Public Health. Additional undergraduate and graduate programs have been established that include doctoral degrees in psychology, education, logistics and supply chain management, public health, and nursing.

The growing demand for online learning has brought online bachelor’s degrees in business, nursing, and information technology. Master’s programs are offered online in business, accounting, economics, computer science, coaching, kinesiology, and a broad choice of education fields.

Georgia Southern’s athletics program has a long and storied history, rich with tradition born of success. The University has not only produced conference and national champions, but has parlayed private support into significantly enhanced facilities – crucial to the recruitment and retention of top athletes.

Intercollegiate athletic success – including six NCAA National Championships in football – has had a powerfully positive effect on the University’s public persona and pride of faculty, staff and students. All sports compete at the NCAA’s highest level with football, formerly FCS, joining the FBS ranks in fall 2014.

The University enhancing its profile with the addition of an ROTC building and a student Health Services complex while it remains ever vigilant for new opportunities to address emerging academic needs. Just as in the days of First District A&M and old ‘T.C., Georgia Southern University is eagerly pursuing new avenues to meet the challenges of a changing world."

(10-24-2014 11:37 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 11:09 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  This post is so full of dumbassery you may just have to be added to the ignore list.

- GaSo is not listed by Carnegie as a "Research Universities (very high research activity)" - which is the designation achieved by all of the BOR Research Universities.
- Our school was created to help people avoid going to Athens to work on their degree? Wow - that will be a surprise to those people over at Tech who think that our school was born as their "Evening School of Commerce".
- GaSo experienced an influx of students for the same reason West Georgia, North Georgia, GSU and Kennesaw did. When the HOPE scholarship came around, kids who would have otherwise gone out-of state opted to go to UGA. UGA became far more competitive, the rest of the schools got more students. Had nothing to do with your sad-arse "college town".

I sure hope that ignorance is bliss, because you are chock-full of it.

I realize you went to State, but I wrote Doctoral Research which is our classification. The BOR would need to do the right thing to increase our research activity.

The Hope scholarship had a lot to with growth, but Southern was experiencing rapid growth before Hope was created.

The point is that Georgia State is (and always will be) primarily a commuter school for non-traditional students continuing their education. The "traditional" undergrads are rejects from Clark-Atlanta and Kennesaw State. Remember, Atlanta is the city where teachers fake test results to pass the mobs of students who can't read.

A lot of the suburbs are awesome, but the city itself is run and populated by corrupt, incompetent dumbasses whose only talent is spending other people's money.

Ugh. Grew up in Cobb County and went to GSU even lived in the old Olympic Village. And actually had a few friends not accepted in to Georgia State and they ended up at Kennesaw and West Georgia.
Remember, Atlanta is only a population of 447k. GSU has a student population of 32k. So it is mindboggling that you think only city of Atlanta students go to State. I hate to interrupt your rant with facts, but continue to tell me who I went to school with. I'd hate for a person who actually went there to get in the way of the stereotypes you have.

(10-24-2014 11:37 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I realize you went to State, but I wrote Doctoral Research which is our classification. The BOR would need to do the right thing to increase our research activity.

You wrote: "Georgia Southern is a Carnegie Doctoral Research University, but our Board of Regents classify us as a Regional University alongside Valdosta State because Research Status would open the door to more funding and graduate programs which UGA and Tech won't allow."

I was simply pointing out that "Carnegie Doctoral Research University" is not what it takes to get Research University status from the Georgia BOR. It takes a higher lever of research activity - the level reflected in the Carnegie classification shared by GSU, UGA and Tech. You have not attained that. Until you do, don't use Carnegie classifications as the basis for why you should be a BOR Research University.

(10-24-2014 11:37 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  The point is that Georgia State is (and always will be) primarily a commuter school for non-traditional students continuing their education. The "traditional" undergrads are rejects from Clark-Atlanta and Kennesaw State. Remember, Atlanta is the city where teachers fake test results to pass the mobs of students who can't read.

A lot of the suburbs are awesome, but the city itself is run and populated by corrupt, incompetent dumbasses whose only talent is spending other people's money.

Wait....are we a "commuter school", or are we primarily made up of students from City of Atlanta schools "where teachers fake test results"? (Can't be both.) That you don't know the difference between state and city government, and for some strange reason think that city politics reflect on our school tells me all I need to know about your overall awareness of the role our school plays in this state.

God, that article is petty. Just another example of why it feels so right to hate Georgia Southern.

Doing more research activities takes more funding.

It's a catch 22 I guess. Seems we are doing all we can do in the research fields with the funding we have. I think the point on the topic is that we've done pretty good with it as evident in our standings with Carnegie, considering the lack of funding from the North GA controlled check writers.

SOUTHERN GA needs more funding for this type of thing.
When that happens, you will see more activity. In the mean time - the BOR powers are getting away with keeping all that funding in the Northern part of the state - North West region to be more precise. We are working on gaining more National recognition, and using Athletics to further the National awareness of our University.

They wont be able to classify us as Regional for much longer.
And then - you will see more funding come our way, more activity and that will be just one more thing that gast does not have an advantage over us in. In the short time remaining, sure.. cling to the little that you have.

(10-24-2014 11:37 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  The "traditional" undergrads are rejects from Clark-Atlanta and Kennesaw State.

I think you're writing out things that you wish to be true without really thinking about the actual situation.

(10-24-2014 12:29 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  And then - you will see more funding come our way, more activity and that will be just one more thing that gast does not have an advantage over us in.

Do you really think that Southern is that close to catching State in research activity? (It's not.) And a bigger question...why is that such a concern? I think both are fine schools. If I had a child choosing a school for undergrad right now, I wouldn't necessarily have a preference of one over the other. Grad school is a different story, but that doesn't have to be what Southern excels at. App seems to have no concern with establishing itself as a national research university, but they might just provide the best undergrad education in the Belt.

It's probably going to be a long time before Southern matches State in research output and national recognition on that front. And when academics come up, our fans are sure going to let you know about it (just like y'all have gotten more mileage than I ever would have imagined out of incoming freshman SAT scores). But is that necessarily where Southern even wants to be?

App cant become a national research university, because our big brother in Chapel Hill will not allow it, not because a lack of trying, hell, we have been trying to set up doctoral programs for years, but Chapel Hill controls the board that approves/disapproves new programs for NC collages. Personally, I love the fact that they are about to get their arrogant asses handed to them, over perhaps the biggest academic scandal in NCAA history...karma is a *****!!

Both our former president and current president had been pushing for more research opportunities because those bring in more $ to the University. However, the BOR basically told us no. It wasn't so much that we didn't earn it, it's that they have some sort of distribution in their head about what the university system should look like and GS being officially labeled one of its research universities is not one of them.

It is what it is. As a student I much prefer not being classified a research university because I enjoyed learning from the professors themselves and NOT a TA or Grad student. The more research you ask professors to do the less time they spend in the classroom. (In most places anyway)

Once again this turns into an argument about academics. Y'all do realize this is a football game going on tomorrow not a quiz bowl, right?

(10-24-2014 01:47 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  Once again this turns into an argument about academics. Y'all do realize this is a football game going on tomorrow not a quiz bowl, right?

Not really surprising when the first heading of the article is "Younger, full-time, 'traditional' college kids." This isn't really a thread about the game.

Oh wow. Can't believe i've not done this before. As was mentioned earlier, although Carnegie classifies southern as a research university, there is a difference in how they classify GSU and southern; GSU is classified as "Research University; very high research activity" where as southern is considered "doctoral/research university."

Ok, these are two lists showing the other schools around the country in those two categories. Notice the difference in universities

This is GSU's


And southerns



So when you say you're a research university, realize that you still aren't on the same level as us, not by the BOR standards, nor according to Carnegie's.

Everyone's degree is working for them, right? We all seem to have a computer of some sort and internet access, so we've all got that working for us.

These are Universities with two different missions. No one will 'win' this discussion because we all chose our schools for different reasons. Find me a Southern student that wishes they went to State or vice versa and then we have something to talk about.