(10-22-2014 08:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:33 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  #72 Boston College
#21 Syracuse
#7 UConn

From a Husky perspective, that's beautiful.


It's unfair to give the same points for all conference championships. UConn's Big East championships are lot more impressive than Western Kentucky or Utah State winning their conference.

conferences are made up of like minded schools with similar athletic budgets and resources. Just because the quality of the teams may differ from one conference to the next it doesn't mean that the task of beating your peers within your conference is any more easy or difficult.

What an absolutely absurd post.

(10-22-2014 09:20 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:33 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  #72 Boston College
#21 Syracuse
#7 UConn

From a Husky perspective, that's beautiful.


It's unfair to give the same points for all conference championships. UConn's Big East championships are lot more impressive than Western Kentucky or Utah State winning their conference.

conferences are made up of like minded schools with similar athletic budgets and resources. Just because the quality of the teams may differ from one conference to the next it doesn't mean that the task of beating your peers within your conference is any more easy or difficult.

Winning the SEC football championship is more important than winning the Southland Conference championship. They don't carry the same weight.

more important to who? carry the same weight for what? this is a basket ball discussion and you're arguing about football in two separate subdivisions. Apples to oranges on multiple levels.

Because schools like WKU are financially disadvantaged you could argue that their NCAA Tournament success is even more impressive. WKU is 19-24 in the NCAA Tournament with 5 Sweet 16 appearances, that's on par with Tennessee at 19-21 from the SEC.

I would rather have the "2011 Big East Champion" banner hanging in my gym than a "2011 Missouri Valley Conference Champion" banner.

Call me a freak.

(10-22-2014 04:20 PM)Inigo Wrote:  This is just a statistical analysis of "all time" history. For anyone who hasn't read the article and wonders how SMU is ranked ahead of Tulsa or why a certain team seems high or low, this is the point breakdown in their ranking system:

NCAA Championship: 10 points
Championship game loser: 6 points
Pre-NCAA tournament championships: 6 points
Final Four: 5 points
Elite Eight: 4 points
Sweet Sixteen: 3 points
NCAA Tournament Appearance: 2 points
Conference Championship: 8 points


The 8 points for a conference championship seems absurd when they only give 10 for an NCAA tournament championship.

The 8 points for conference championship is ridiculous. You give 8 points for winning your conference and 6 for being second best in the whole country?! Ranking the best teams of all time should go by Tournament appearances and give additional points for each win. Oh well, I have never heard anyone who thinks Tulsa isn't a top 75 team of all time.

(10-23-2014 10:47 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  LOL @ Memphis fans

jealous much?

I don't understand.

(10-23-2014 11:09 AM)T-Town Cane Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:20 PM)Inigo Wrote:  This is just a statistical analysis of "all time" history. For anyone who hasn't read the article and wonders how SMU is ranked ahead of Tulsa or why a certain team seems high or low, this is the point breakdown in their ranking system:

NCAA Championship: 10 points
Championship game loser: 6 points
Pre-NCAA tournament championships: 6 points
Final Four: 5 points
Elite Eight: 4 points
Sweet Sixteen: 3 points
NCAA Tournament Appearance: 2 points
Conference Championship: 8 points


The 8 points for a conference championship seems absurd when they only give 10 for an NCAA tournament championship.

The 8 points for conference championship is ridiculous. You give 8 points for winning your conference and 6 for being second best in the whole country?! Ranking the best teams of all time should go by Tournament appearances and give additional points for each win. Oh well, I have never heard anyone who thinks Tulsa isn't a top 75 team of all time.

Tulsa is ranked #72, tied with BC. The initial poster just missed it, which is understandable in going through 75 teams.

Espn's 50 in 50 was done much, much better. They actually put research into it. I don't think this SI one was really SI. If so, poorly done

(10-22-2014 05:09 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:41 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:26 PM)eastside cat Wrote:  You are a broken record.

(10-22-2014 04:21 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  It put Cincy in a high ranking switch is why OP posted. They need to focus on beating Harvard in March.

He is Memphis's Cali_Cat who trolls all day long.

Cali_Cat trashed AAC. I give teams who call the AAC a dumpster fire a hard time which would be USF and Cincy

Cali Cat was an alternate screen name that another regular poster on here used. I figured out who it was when I called out Cali Cat on something and then a negative review was left under my screen name not long after it that day. It was the only post I made that day, so the negative review by the other person definitely exposes the person as Cali Cat. Apparently he forgot to switch user names back to Cali Cat before leaving his negative comments! Haha

(10-23-2014 12:09 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Espn's 50 in 50 was done much, much better. They actually put research into it. I don't think this SI one was really SI. If so, poorly done

Of course you think that, since Memphis is ranked higher than Cincinnati in it.

We all favor the rankings/systems that make our teams look the best. However...

The best system would weigh achievements by how long ago they were. For example:

Defending national champion = 100 pts
Championship in last 2-5 seasons = 90 pts
Championship in last 6-10 seasons = 80 pts
Championship in last 11-20 seasons = 70 pts
Championship in last 21-50 seasons = 60 pts
Championship 51+ seasons ago = 50 pts

Defending conference champion = 50 pts
Conference Championship in last 2-5 seasons = 45 pts
Conference Championship in last 6-10 seasons = 40 pts
Conference Championship in last 11-20 seasons = 35 pts
Conference Championship in last 21-50 seasons = 30 pts
Conference Championship 51+ seasons ago = 25 pts

NCAA tournament appearance last season = 10 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 2-5 seasons = 9 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 6-10 seasons = 8 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 11-20 seasons = 7 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 21-50 seasons = 6 pts
NCAA tournament appearance 51+ seasons ago = 5 pts

And so on and so forth...

Also have to put metrics in for NBA players, first round picks, hall of famers, All-Americans, Player of the Year awards, Coach of the Year awards, etc.

(10-23-2014 02:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 12:09 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Espn's 50 in 50 was done much, much better. They actually put research into it. I don't think this SI one was really SI. If so, poorly done

Of course you think that, since Memphis is ranked higher than Cincinnati in it.

We all favor the rankings/systems that make our teams look the best. However...

The best system would weigh achievements by how long ago they were. For example:

Defending national champion = 100 pts
Championship in last 2-5 seasons = 90 pts
Championship in last 6-10 seasons = 80 pts
Championship in last 11-20 seasons = 70 pts
Championship in last 21-50 seasons = 60 pts
Championship 51+ seasons ago = 50 pts

Defending conference champion = 50 pts
Conference Championship in last 2-5 seasons = 45 pts
Conference Championship in last 6-10 seasons = 40 pts
Conference Championship in last 11-20 seasons = 35 pts
Conference Championship in last 21-50 seasons = 30 pts
Conference Championship 51+ seasons ago = 25 pts

NCAA tournament appearance last season = 10 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 2-5 seasons = 9 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 6-10 seasons = 8 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 11-20 seasons = 7 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 21-50 seasons = 6 pts
NCAA tournament appearance 51+ seasons ago = 5 pts

And so on and so forth...

A system like that would be genius. Someone would have to pay me a lot of money though because that would take FOREVER

Yeah, it would definitely take forever. If I could get a blog or someone to pay me a little money, I would do it. I definitely think programs with more recent history like UConn and Florida are often under ranked in these types of things, so this system would make things more fair. I do think that history, even stuff over 50 years ago, should be rewarded, but not as much as recent history.

(10-23-2014 02:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 12:09 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Espn's 50 in 50 was done much, much better. They actually put research into it. I don't think this SI one was really SI. If so, poorly done

Of course you think that, since Memphis is ranked higher than Cincinnati in it.

We all favor the rankings/systems that make our teams look the best. However...

The best system would weigh achievements by how long ago they were. For example:

Defending national champion = 100 pts
Championship in last 2-5 seasons = 90 pts
Championship in last 6-10 seasons = 80 pts
Championship in last 11-20 seasons = 70 pts
Championship in last 21-50 seasons = 60 pts
Championship 51+ seasons ago = 50 pts

Defending conference champion = 50 pts
Conference Championship in last 2-5 seasons = 45 pts
Conference Championship in last 6-10 seasons = 40 pts
Conference Championship in last 11-20 seasons = 35 pts
Conference Championship in last 21-50 seasons = 30 pts
Conference Championship 51+ seasons ago = 25 pts

NCAA tournament appearance last season = 10 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 2-5 seasons = 9 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 6-10 seasons = 8 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 11-20 seasons = 7 pts
NCAA tournament appearance in last 21-50 seasons = 6 pts
NCAA tournament appearance 51+ seasons ago = 5 pts

And so on and so forth...

In this average fan's opinion, Memphis shouldn't be ranked higher than Cincinnati. The Bearcats 2 national championships trumps anything that my Tigers have done, and even though it wouldn't be picked up in any "point" totals; the Bearcats hold a series advantage.

Just for grins however (and nothing to do with Memphis Vs Cincinnati) why would recent accomplishments be worth more than historical accomplishments in a discussion over "best program of all time"?

I could make a much, much stronger case that NCAA tournament invitations/advancement was more difficult to obtain when there were only 16 participants. For $ reasons only, there are now twice as many NCAA bids than there were NCAA/NIT bids combined in the 50's, 60's and very early 70's. You had to actually win a conference championship to participate, not finish 4th in a conference that was tough or perceived as tough.

I did a Top 25 ranking myself back in a thread during basketball season. Some people provided some useful criticism, and I definitely changed my stance around a bit. Here's what I came up with. It's certainly not perfect, and I'm sure there is plenty to debate.

1) North Carolina
2) Kentucky
3) UCLA
4) Kansas
5) Duke
6) Indiana
7) Louisville
8) UConn
9) Syracuse
10) Michigan St
11) Cincinnati
12) Georgetown
13) Arizona
14) Villanova
15) Ohio St
16) Michigan
17) Princeton
18) Oklahoma St
19) Memphis
20) Utah
21) Wisconsin
22) St John's
23) Temple
24) Penn
25) Marquette

(10-23-2014 04:52 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I did a Top 25 ranking myself back in a thread during basketball season. Some people provided some useful criticism, and I definitely changed my stance around a bit. Here's what I came up with. It's certainly not perfect, and I'm sure there is plenty to debate.

1) North Carolina
2) Kentucky
3) UCLA
4) Kansas
5) Duke
6) Indiana
7) Louisville
8) UConn
9) Syracuse
10) Michigan St
11) Cincinnati
12) Georgetown
13) Arizona
14) Villanova
15) Ohio St
16) Michigan
17) Princeton
18) Oklahoma St
19) Memphis
20) Utah
21) Wisconsin
22) St John's
23) Temple
24) Penn
25) Marquette

Syracuse is always too high in these things.

(10-23-2014 10:53 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:33 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  #72 Boston College
#21 Syracuse
#7 UConn

From a Husky perspective, that's beautiful.


It's unfair to give the same points for all conference championships. UConn's Big East championships are lot more impressive than Western Kentucky or Utah State winning their conference.

conferences are made up of like minded schools with similar athletic budgets and resources. Just because the quality of the teams may differ from one conference to the next it doesn't mean that the task of beating your peers within your conference is any more easy or difficult.

What an absolutely absurd post.

It's true from the sense that teams and players know each other's tendencies through direct competition but yeah, gotta disagree.

(10-22-2014 01:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  Don't kill the messenger, just posting SI's opinion.

http://fansided.com/2014/10/21/75-greate...ly-ranked/

Top 75 Basketball programs of all time
7 UConn
9 Cincinnati
25 Temple
43 Memphis
51 Houston
60 SMU

To put this into perspective, there are about 340 Division 1 basketball schools, meaning that the AAC has 6 schools in the top 18%.

(10-24-2014 08:50 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 01:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  Don't kill the messenger, just posting SI's opinion.

http://fansided.com/2014/10/21/75-greate...ly-ranked/

Top 75 Basketball programs of all time
7 UConn
9 Cincinnati
25 Temple
43 Memphis
51 Houston
60 SMU

To put this into perspective, there are about 340 Division 1 basketball schools, meaning that the AAC has 6 schools in the top 18%.

7 in the top 21% if you include Tulsa who was missed in the initial list.

Still trying to figure out how SMU made the list. Even schools like Jacksonville and Florida State have more significant history.