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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
(10-23-2014 09:06 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 08:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 07:48 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  SMU and Uconn have been in the AAC for a couple of years so they should have their act together better than they do. Tulane and Tulsa are in their first year in the AAC so their teams are basically still C-USA level teams. Give them a year or two to recruit and they will be better. Other than those 4, no team is worse than 3-3. Line the AAC up next to CUSA team by team, and you won't find anyone in the country (barring a CUSA fan) that would choose CUSA over the AAC. Most people haven't even heard of a fourth of the teams in CUSA. A couple weeks ago: Chris Fowler- "Marshall takes on Middle Tennessee State." David Pollack- "Who?"

Can we talk about this idea that teams are going to "get their act together"?

For starters UCONN has been in the AAC/Big East for more than a decade, they've seen their football conference get progressively weaker since they arrived. When they joined the conference they were joining Miami, VT, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College and later saw the departure of Louisville. They have no excuse and there's no reason to expect them to suddenly "get their act together" as for SMU, Tulane and Tulsa, they're all playing in a league that is ~70% of their previous league, a former MAC member and three average at best former Big East members. What do any of them have to adjust to?

And I hope you realize Pollack was being facetious to make a point about G5's in general and Marshall's schedule.
Yes I realize Pollack was being facetious. And yes, SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane are playing 70% of teams from their previous conference. BUT, those teams are BETTER VERSIONS than they were in CUSA. Heck, look at Memphis haha

Better versions? From 1-2 years in the AAC? Seriously? The Memphis turnaround in football is purely coincidental and entirely based on getting the hire right this time.

Explain to me how eight schools that were in CUSA or the MAC two years ago plus USF, UCONN and Cincy that much better than CUSA was two years ago? I'm not saying you shouldn't have made the move, if you hadn't you would have been left behind, but you're basically saying that with a different logo on their uniforms for one year a bunch of schools got magically better.
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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
(10-23-2014 10:49 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 09:06 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 08:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 07:48 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  SMU and Uconn have been in the AAC for a couple of years so they should have their act together better than they do. Tulane and Tulsa are in their first year in the AAC so their teams are basically still C-USA level teams. Give them a year or two to recruit and they will be better. Other than those 4, no team is worse than 3-3. Line the AAC up next to CUSA team by team, and you won't find anyone in the country (barring a CUSA fan) that would choose CUSA over the AAC. Most people haven't even heard of a fourth of the teams in CUSA. A couple weeks ago: Chris Fowler- "Marshall takes on Middle Tennessee State." David Pollack- "Who?"

Can we talk about this idea that teams are going to "get their act together"?

For starters UCONN has been in the AAC/Big East for more than a decade, they've seen their football conference get progressively weaker since they arrived. When they joined the conference they were joining Miami, VT, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College and later saw the departure of Louisville. They have no excuse and there's no reason to expect them to suddenly "get their act together" as for SMU, Tulane and Tulsa, they're all playing in a league that is ~70% of their previous league, a former MAC member and three average at best former Big East members. What do any of them have to adjust to?

And I hope you realize Pollack was being facetious to make a point about G5's in general and Marshall's schedule.
Yes I realize Pollack was being facetious. And yes, SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane are playing 70% of teams from their previous conference. BUT, those teams are BETTER VERSIONS than they were in CUSA. Heck, look at Memphis haha

Better versions? From 1-2 years in the AAC? Seriously? The Memphis turnaround in football is purely coincidental and entirely based on getting the hire right this time.

Explain to me how eight schools that were in CUSA or the MAC two years ago plus USF, UCONN and Cincy that much better than CUSA was two years ago? I'm not saying you shouldn't have made the move, if you hadn't you would have been left behind, but you're basically saying that with a different logo on their uniforms for one year a bunch of schools got magically better.

They're not. Tulsa, SMU, and UCONN are rated worse than any team CUSA has.

edit: Tulane and USF are also 100+.
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(10-22-2014 02:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Can we stop talking about them?

of course....just ban 'em and limit posts to those that are cusa conference posters....that will fix that problem....

wow, are you really that anal?

yep, it certainly makes much more sense to live in the vacuum of cusa where all is great and proper.....
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(10-23-2014 10:17 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:02 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  The only reason to join the AAC is basketball even though this year it isn't going to be great. ECU. Tulane. Will bring the rpi way down.

I disagree. The reason for any C-USA team to join the American is money. The American earned $ 72 million last year. That was the total amount of the Bowl payouts.,, NCAA credits and the ESPN deal. Anyone school from outside the P5 would join the American . You can knock the AAC all you want , but all of your schools would join our conference in a heartbeat .

if the money is greater, any school would make the move upward......there is no denying that....

however, there was and still is skepticism that the aac holds that higher value moving forward....

I'm in the camp the entire g5 is screwed.....IMO, the arguments regarding one g5 conference vs another is just damn silly.....

all of this was easily predictable (and was by many) once the realignment bus installed nitrous....
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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
(10-24-2014 02:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:17 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:02 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  The only reason to join the AAC is basketball even though this year it isn't going to be great. ECU. Tulane. Will bring the rpi way down.

I disagree. The reason for any C-USA team to join the American is money. The American earned $ 72 million last year. That was the total amount of the Bowl payouts.,, NCAA credits and the ESPN deal. Anyone school from outside the P5 would join the American . You can knock the AAC all you want , but all of your schools would join our conference in a heartbeat .

if the money is greater, any school would make the move upward......there is no denying that....

however, there was and still is skepticism that the aac holds that higher value moving forward....

I'm in the camp the entire g5 is screwed.....IMO, the arguments regarding one g5 conference vs another is just damn silly.....

all of this was easily predictable (and was by many) once the realignment bus installed nitrous....

Allow me to join your camp. The G5 is being relegated to the proverbial scrap heap of major college football. It's obvious, and unless we start winning big games against P5 schools on a regular basis, it's over.
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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
(10-24-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-22-2014 02:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Can we stop talking about them?

of course....just ban 'em and limit posts to those that are cusa conference posters....that will fix that problem....

wow, are you really that anal?

yep, it certainly makes much more sense to live in the vacuum of cusa where all is great and proper.....

The thread was originally called something else that was only inviting AAC trolls. Everyone ******* about ECU posters running their mouths and then we have threads like this one practically begging their worst posters to come over here.
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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
(10-23-2014 07:48 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  SMU and Uconn have been in the AAC for a couple of years so they should have their act together better than they do. Tulane and Tulsa are in their first year in the AAC so their teams are basically still C-USA level teams. Give them a year or two to recruit and they will be better. Other than those 4, no team is worse than 3-3. Line the AAC up next to CUSA team by team, and you won't find anyone in the country (barring a CUSA fan) that would choose CUSA over the AAC. Most people haven't even heard of a fourth of the teams in CUSA. A couple weeks ago: Chris Fowler- "Marshall takes on Middle Tennessee State." David Pollack- "Who?"


Cusa level teams he says.... hahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaah. If they were cusa level teams, they would be beating the aac teams down. Hilarious that memphis fans continue to talk football smack. Especially acting like the aac gives some kind of recruitng bump lol. Man. Thats hilarious...03-lmfao
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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
Didn't expect this be a Memphis thread seeing as how this is the first year in recent memory they AREN'T on the list LOL! But, as they are a team I try to follow along with USM and USA, I've been trying to make sense their apparent turnaround (on the field and in the stands).

(10-23-2014 10:49 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Better versions? From 1-2 years in the AAC? Seriously? The Memphis turnaround in football is purely coincidental and entirely based on getting the hire right this time.

Explain to me how eight schools that were in CUSA or the MAC two years ago plus USF, UCONN and Cincy that much better than CUSA was two years ago? I'm not saying you shouldn't have made the move, if you hadn't you would have been left behind, but you're basically saying that with a different logo on their uniforms for one year a bunch of schools got magically better.

I think there is some truth here in that being perceived as "left behind" could have hurt the program...possibly more than moving helped it? The fans are turning out like they did in CUSA 1...better on the field product certainly helps. While the basketball program proved that it could withstand being "left behind" (though it was a constant PR battle), the football program does not enjoy the same branding/goodwill on a national scale.

stinkfist Wrote:I'm in the camp the entire g5 is screwed.....IMO, the arguments regarding one g5 conference vs another is just damn silly.....

From what I understand, this is a common recruiting tactic...within the P5 as well.

goherd24herdfans Wrote:Hilarious that memphis fans continue to talk football smack. Especially acting like the aac gives some kind of recruitng bump lol.

Again, not sure of the exact reasons, but recruiting has seen bump the last couple of seasons. We attended the USA/State game and got to witness "negative" recruiting firsthand. USA vs. USM...it was sad to see. USM was portrayed as a program "left for dead" while USA was "on the rise." I know it happens, but was disappointed nonetheless.

Is Memphis' apparent good fortune coincidence or a perfect storm? IDK, but it is good to see something positive happening for the fanbase. I'm hopeful something similar for the Golden Eagle faithful is in the near future.
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RE: ESPN Bottom 10 Week - 8
(10-23-2014 10:17 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  
(10-23-2014 10:02 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  The only reason to join the AAC is basketball even though this year it isn't going to be great. ECU. Tulane. Will bring the rpi way down.

I disagree. The reason for any C-USA team to join the American is money. The American earned $ 72 million last year. That was the total amount of the Bowl payouts.,, NCAA credits and the ESPN deal. Anyone school from outside the P5 would join the American . You can knock the AAC all you want , but all of your schools would join our conference in a heartbeat .

How much of that $72 Million was "one-time" revenues, mostly from exit fees from team leaving the old Big East?? Just curious.
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I don't have the breakdown at my fingertips, but (IIRC) most expiring payments will come from lost bowl contracts and tourney credits falling off. The exit fee or war chest (as some call it) is to be paid out over a period of years. I think it coincides with the TV deal and serves as a stop gap until a new one is negotiated. Basically, it keeps the old guard whole and gives a nice bump to the additions. That's my understanding anyway, but someone else may have an in depth breakdown. Of course, I could be off base, but it seems like I either heard it in an interview or read about it in a printed interview...specific numbers weren't assigned, but that was the gist of it as I recall.
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The football revenue will level out now that the American (Big East) is no longer one of the big boy conferences. We have a level playing field here; except they have historically crappy football programs and we have historically decent/good programs. CUSA football will have no problem establishing superiority over the AAC.

Basketball on the other hand . . . that will be tougher. Although I am optimistic with them taking on ECU and Tulane.
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