Who cares?
Win games and put butts in seats. That is what matters.

This argument over ***** sizes is silly.

(10-21-2014 02:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:45 PM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 12:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Uh, what? Virtually every AAC game has been on TV.

This weekend every game is on an ESPN channel (not ESPN3) and Temple/UCF is on CBS Sports Network.

And that includes really valuable past coverage such as Thursday/Friday night primetime games.

So let me break this down for you, not virtually every AAC game has been on TV. But virtually every CUSA game has been on TV. You AAC'ers can rag our coverage, graphics, and visuals but fact is the games are on TV.

So CBS Sports Network coverage is great now? Funny how that works these days. When you guys were in CUSA, CBSSN sucked because you had to get a special tier package to view the games.

It is what it is.

Just so we're clear, you think that American Sports Network > ESPN?

I think what he's saying is TV game = TV game. Who cares what network it's on as long as we can see it.

Because ESPN is far and away the most viewed sports network on TV?

So you're saying I would have enjoyed watching USM beat UNT from my couch in New Jersey more if it had been on ESPN? And explain what you mean by "really valuable" coverage on Friday night. "Really valuable to who? It doesn't help recruiting. Recruits are playing at that time and it royally pisses off their coaches. By the way, the Sunbelt will be playing on primetime ESPN tonight. Is that "really valuable" coverage? It must not be because when UCF and the other AAC teams were in CUSA we left ESPN because we refused to play weekday games.

(10-21-2014 02:25 PM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 02:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:45 PM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  So let me break this down for you, not virtually every AAC game has been on TV. But virtually every CUSA game has been on TV. You AAC'ers can rag our coverage, graphics, and visuals but fact is the games are on TV.

So CBS Sports Network coverage is great now? Funny how that works these days. When you guys were in CUSA, CBSSN sucked because you had to get a special tier package to view the games.

It is what it is.

Just so we're clear, you think that American Sports Network > ESPN?

I think what he's saying is TV game = TV game. Who cares what network it's on as long as we can see it.

Because ESPN is far and away the most viewed sports network on TV?

So you're saying I would have enjoyed watching USM beat UNT from my couch in New Jersey more if it had been on ESPN? And explain what you mean by "really valuable" coverage on Friday night. "Really valuable to who? It doesn't help recruiting. Recruits are playing at that time and it royally pisses off their coaches. By the way, the Sunbelt will be playing on primetime ESPN tonight. Is that "really valuable" coverage? It must not be because when UCF and the other AAC teams were in CUSA we left ESPN because we refused to play weekday games.

Perhaps you didn't notice but this talk is not about you, it's about the reach of each TV network and which gives the best opportunity for exposure. In that regard, ESPN is clearly the better venue for exposure. Period. The numbers don't lie and it's not even close.

The Sun Belt plays on Tuesday becuase that's all they get. I love Thurs/Friday games and the ratings show that they provide much larger exposure opportunities than playing on FS1 or some other more obscure network on Saturday in the middle of 20 other games.

It's really a pointless argument.

American TV contract is basically ESPN or ESPN 2 on Thursday and Friday nights or ESPN NEWS/ESPN U on Saturdays. The AAC does have proportionally more games on TV because they are more willing to play on non Saturdays with their ESPN contract.

I do like the new ASN coverage of our games since it seems like CUSA gets a lot more games on TV than in previous years. CUSA has around 70 football games on TV this year.

CUSA has 30 ASN games, 9 CBS, 8 Fox Sports, 10 ESPN 2/3/U games, and 10 other games (BTN/NBC/SEC/Longhorns) that have been shown/will be shown right now. 9 CUSA games are not on Saturday. Our non Saturday games are CBS or Fox Sports 1.

AAC has 16 ESPN/ESPN 2 games primarily on Thurs/Fri nights, 34 ESPN 3/U/News games mainly on Saturdays, 9 CBS games, and 5 other games that have been shown/will be shown right now. Over 20 of the AAC games are not on Saturday.

CUSA and the AAC get equivalent Saturday coverage proportionally to number of teams, but the AAC does get the extra Thurs/Fri coverage. Though being forced to play on non-saturdays a lot kind of sucks, but it is what it is.

edit: and Knighttime is right. The Thurs/Fri ESPN games provide a lot larger viewership for games since there are basically no other games on...and its on ESPN. ESPN U/3/NEWS games all get a tiny percentage of viewership than being on ESPN 1. The numbers really don't lie on that, so it is a good idea to play Thurs/Fri nights for that coverage. On Saturdays people mainly watch top 25 team games only. Games that only get 50-200k viewers on ESPNU or ESPN NEWS on a Saturday would get around 500k-1mil viewers on a Friday or Thursday at night.

(10-21-2014 02:31 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 02:25 PM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 02:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:45 PM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Just so we're clear, you think that American Sports Network > ESPN?

I think what he's saying is TV game = TV game. Who cares what network it's on as long as we can see it.

Because ESPN is far and away the most viewed sports network on TV?

So you're saying I would have enjoyed watching USM beat UNT from my couch in New Jersey more if it had been on ESPN? And explain what you mean by "really valuable" coverage on Friday night. "Really valuable to who? It doesn't help recruiting. Recruits are playing at that time and it royally pisses off their coaches. By the way, the Sunbelt will be playing on primetime ESPN tonight. Is that "really valuable" coverage? It must not be because when UCF and the other AAC teams were in CUSA we left ESPN because we refused to play weekday games.

Perhaps you didn't notice but this talk is not about you, it's about the reach of each TV network and which gives the best opportunity for exposure. In that regard, ESPN is clearly the better venue for exposure. Period. The numbers don't lie and it's not even close.

The Sun Belt plays on Tuesday becuase that's all they get. I love Thurs/Friday games and the ratings show that they provide much larger exposure opportunities than playing on FS1 or some other more obscure network on Saturday in the middle of 20 other games.

But how does that Friday night exposure help the AAC? The OP's point was, we are really happy that we can see most our games. I may be wrong but when you said the AAC has "really valuable" coverage on Friday nights that you were implying you guys were much better off because of it. The OP wasn't talking about exposure, just being able to watch games. You brought up exposure and I don't understand how you benefit from that. If it is supposed to help with recruiting that makes no sense. If it's not helping with recruiting then what difference does it make as long as the fans of those teams and conference can see it.

(10-21-2014 02:31 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Perhaps you didn't notice but this talk is not about you, it's about the reach of each TV network and which gives the best opportunity for exposure.

Actually it wasn't about the reach of each TV Network. It is about games available on TV. And CUSA has more games on TV than the AAC. If you want to argue who has the better quality, broadcast team, graphics so be it. Fact is there are more CUSA games on TV than the AAC. And while ESPN may be the most watch sport TV network, it doesn't mean people are watching AAC Football.

You can make jokes about having to use rabbit ears to find CUSA games but the fact of the matter is there is a huge population out there that does not have cable. Guess what, these people can still watch a CUSA football game but not so much for an AAC Football game.

Are C-USA fans/posters over on the AAC board arguing about TV contract issues?

I don't know but their FIU and Marshall game thread is 11 pages and going.

(10-21-2014 02:44 PM)Shrack Wrote:  It's really a pointless argument.

American TV contract is basically ESPN or ESPN 2 on Thursday and Friday nights or ESPN NEWS/ESPN U on Saturdays. The AAC does have proportionally more games on TV because they are more willing to play on non Saturdays with their ESPN contract.

I do like the new ASN coverage of our games since it seems like CUSA gets a lot more games on TV than in previous years. CUSA has around 70 football games on TV this year.

CUSA has 30 ASN games, 9 CBS, 8 Fox Sports, 10 ESPN 2/3/U games, and 10 other games (BTN/NBC/SEC/Longhorns) that have been shown/will be shown right now. 9 CUSA games are not on Saturday. Our non Saturday games are CBS or Fox Sports 1.

AAC has 16 ESPN/ESPN 2 games primarily on Thurs/Fri nights, 34 ESPN 3/U/News games mainly on Saturdays, 9 CBS games, and 5 other games that have been shown/will be shown right now. Over 20 of the AAC games are not on Saturday.

CUSA and the AAC get equivalent Saturday coverage proportionally to number of teams, but the AAC does get the extra Thurs/Fri coverage. Though being forced to play on non-saturdays a lot kind of sucks, but it is what it is.

edit: and Knighttime is right. The Thurs/Fri ESPN games provide a lot larger viewership for games since there are basically no other games on...and its on ESPN. ESPN U/3/NEWS games all get a tiny percentage of viewership than being on ESPN 1. The numbers really don't lie on that, so it is a good idea to play Thurs/Fri nights for that coverage. On Saturdays people mainly watch top 25 team games only. Games that only get 50-200k viewers on ESPNU or ESPN NEWS on a Saturday would get around 500k-1mil viewers on a Friday or Thursday at night.

Hey look, a rationale person who gets it.

It's true that midweek games aren't "ideal" for the fanbase, but on the flip side, it's also exciting for fans to be part of the primetime ESPN game that will be the only game on TV (well, at least 'til the NFL game starts).

Last year we had 44K for Houston, 43K for Rutgers, and 46K (sellout) for USF on weeknights. So far this year the BYU game drew just over 42K. So getting fans excited about these weeknight games hasn't been difficult.

And just because your game is on a Thursday or Friday night does not mean people are watching it. I know if I pulled up the ratings for the Thursday and Friday night game it probably would be somewhere around a 0.6 to 0.8. Also, ESPN 3 is not TV, that is the streaming over the internet.

(10-21-2014 03:43 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 02:44 PM)Shrack Wrote:  It's really a pointless argument.

American TV contract is basically ESPN or ESPN 2 on Thursday and Friday nights or ESPN NEWS/ESPN U on Saturdays. The AAC does have proportionally more games on TV because they are more willing to play on non Saturdays with their ESPN contract.

I do like the new ASN coverage of our games since it seems like CUSA gets a lot more games on TV than in previous years. CUSA has around 70 football games on TV this year.

CUSA has 30 ASN games, 9 CBS, 8 Fox Sports, 10 ESPN 2/3/U games, and 10 other games (BTN/NBC/SEC/Longhorns) that have been shown/will be shown right now. 9 CUSA games are not on Saturday. Our non Saturday games are CBS or Fox Sports 1.

AAC has 16 ESPN/ESPN 2 games primarily on Thurs/Fri nights, 34 ESPN 3/U/News games mainly on Saturdays, 9 CBS games, and 5 other games that have been shown/will be shown right now. Over 20 of the AAC games are not on Saturday.

CUSA and the AAC get equivalent Saturday coverage proportionally to number of teams, but the AAC does get the extra Thurs/Fri coverage. Though being forced to play on non-saturdays a lot kind of sucks, but it is what it is.

edit: and Knighttime is right. The Thurs/Fri ESPN games provide a lot larger viewership for games since there are basically no other games on...and its on ESPN. ESPN U/3/NEWS games all get a tiny percentage of viewership than being on ESPN 1. The numbers really don't lie on that, so it is a good idea to play Thurs/Fri nights for that coverage. On Saturdays people mainly watch top 25 team games only. Games that only get 50-200k viewers on ESPNU or ESPN NEWS on a Saturday would get around 500k-1mil viewers on a Friday or Thursday at night.

Hey look, a rationale person who gets it.

It's true that midweek games aren't "ideal" for the fanbase, but on the flip side, it's also exciting for fans to be part of the primetime ESPN game that will be the only game on TV (well, at least 'til the NFL game starts).

Last year we had 44K for Houston, 43K for Rutgers, and 46K (sellout) for USF on weeknights. So far this year the BYU game drew just over 42K. So getting fans excited about these weeknight games hasn't been difficult.

What in the fresh hell does that have to do with the point of this thread which is: CUSA fans are very happy with the fact that most of our games are on TV? And you still haven't explained how that "exposure" that you guys keep talking about specifically helps the AAC teams. Is it recruiting, cool to be popular in Canada, games in Spanish or what?

(10-21-2014 01:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Just so we're clear, you think that American Sports Network > ESPN?

IF ASN shows C-USA games and ESPN doesn't ? YEP!!!!!!!

Turns out that the American Sports Network has a Twitter page. I am "following" them as of yesterday and I thanked them for providing a viewing source for our Conference's games.

(10-21-2014 04:10 PM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 03:43 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 02:44 PM)Shrack Wrote:  It's really a pointless argument.

American TV contract is basically ESPN or ESPN 2 on Thursday and Friday nights or ESPN NEWS/ESPN U on Saturdays. The AAC does have proportionally more games on TV because they are more willing to play on non Saturdays with their ESPN contract.

I do like the new ASN coverage of our games since it seems like CUSA gets a lot more games on TV than in previous years. CUSA has around 70 football games on TV this year.

CUSA has 30 ASN games, 9 CBS, 8 Fox Sports, 10 ESPN 2/3/U games, and 10 other games (BTN/NBC/SEC/Longhorns) that have been shown/will be shown right now. 9 CUSA games are not on Saturday. Our non Saturday games are CBS or Fox Sports 1.

AAC has 16 ESPN/ESPN 2 games primarily on Thurs/Fri nights, 34 ESPN 3/U/News games mainly on Saturdays, 9 CBS games, and 5 other games that have been shown/will be shown right now. Over 20 of the AAC games are not on Saturday.

CUSA and the AAC get equivalent Saturday coverage proportionally to number of teams, but the AAC does get the extra Thurs/Fri coverage. Though being forced to play on non-saturdays a lot kind of sucks, but it is what it is.

edit: and Knighttime is right. The Thurs/Fri ESPN games provide a lot larger viewership for games since there are basically no other games on...and its on ESPN. ESPN U/3/NEWS games all get a tiny percentage of viewership than being on ESPN 1. The numbers really don't lie on that, so it is a good idea to play Thurs/Fri nights for that coverage. On Saturdays people mainly watch top 25 team games only. Games that only get 50-200k viewers on ESPNU or ESPN NEWS on a Saturday would get around 500k-1mil viewers on a Friday or Thursday at night.

Hey look, a rationale person who gets it.

It's true that midweek games aren't "ideal" for the fanbase, but on the flip side, it's also exciting for fans to be part of the primetime ESPN game that will be the only game on TV (well, at least 'til the NFL game starts).

Last year we had 44K for Houston, 43K for Rutgers, and 46K (sellout) for USF on weeknights. So far this year the BYU game drew just over 42K. So getting fans excited about these weeknight games hasn't been difficult.

What in the fresh hell does that have to do with the point of this thread which is: CUSA fans are very happy with the fact that most of our games are on TV? And you still haven't explained how that "exposure" that you guys keep talking about specifically helps the AAC teams. Is it recruiting, cool to be popular in Canada, games in Spanish or what?

I'm not surprised that you missed it, but this entire "debate" began with a UAB fan stating as a fact that "there are more CUSA games on TV than AAC games" which is not true and supported with no hard evidence.

Regarding exposure, I can't really believe that I must explain why exposure is good for a conference and the teams in it. Do you really need that explained?

But carry on....

(10-20-2014 03:48 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The coverage has been fantastic. After years of having nothing, it is awesome to be offered something. The quality is just okay right now, but it will get there. I'm hoping that enough people are watching these games to justify them pouring more money into it. We will see in the next few years but this is significantly better than what most of us have grown used to.

Hear, Hear! As they evolve, one thing I hope they will feature in the near future are updates of other ongoing Conference USA games, a ticker will do just fine.

(10-21-2014 04:56 PM)Matrix Wrote:  Turns out that the American Sports Network has a Twitter page. I am "following" them as of yesterday and I thanked them for providing a viewing source for our Conference's games.

You didn't realize it, Matrix? They plug their twitter account and facebook page a lot during the games.

(10-21-2014 05:01 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 04:56 PM)Matrix Wrote:  Turns out that the American Sports Network has a Twitter page. I am "following" them as of yesterday and I thanked them for providing a viewing source for our Conference's games.

You didn't realize it, Matrix? They plug their twitter account and facebook page a lot during the games.

Sorry, "Who Dat." I didn't put 2 and 2 together until after watching a couple of games on TV and asked myself , "I wonder if ASN is using social media to reach out to its' audience?" Day before yesterday, I found out. Gotta get my laptop back up and running so I can start some running dialogue with them during live telecasts....And by the way...I'm a Falcons fan...Ready to get whipped....again?Who Dat say they gonna beat dem Saints? Falcons! Falcons!

Quote:CUSA has 30 ASN games, 9 CBS, 8 Fox Sports, 10 ESPN 2/3/U games, and 10 other games (BTN/NBC/SEC/Longhorns) that have been shown/will be shown right now. 9 CUSA games are not on Saturday. Our non Saturday games are CBS or Fox Sports 1.

67 games

Quote:AAC has 16 ESPN/ESPN 2 games primarily on Thurs/Fri nights, 34 ESPN 3/U/News games mainly on Saturdays, 9 CBS games, and 5 other games that have been shown/will be shown right now. Over 20 of the AAC games are not on Saturday.

64 games

(I'm surprised... didn't the AAC have ANY b10 matchups this year?)

So in effect, C-USA "wins" by 3 games (at the moment), so it looks like that UAB-fan had it right.

For what it's worth though, I don't count E3 as "being on TV". That's being "on your computer", so the numbers might change.

(10-21-2014 05:05 PM)Matrix Wrote:  And by the way...I'm a Falcons fan...Ready to get whipped....again?Who Dat say they gonna beat dem Saints? Falcons! Falcons!

Only if Drew doesn't quit throwing interceptions... then it's "Dirty Bird Gumbo!"

(10-21-2014 04:59 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I'm not surprised that you missed it, but this entire "debate" began with a UAB fan stating as a fact that "there are more CUSA games on TV than AAC games" which is not true and supported with no hard evidence.

Regarding exposure, I can't really believe that I must explain why exposure is good for a conference and the teams in it. Do you really need that explained?

But carry on....

First, I was correct. If you even bother to add up the games that Shrack stated you would have seen that. Now you brought up exposure but my counter argument to that would be, what good is it to be the only game on a Thursday or Friday Night when no one is watching you? I think the ratings would prove me point

Now you carry on!